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Still gross. Down to your core.

I've read your latest 3 replies, including the Chinese one, and it seems you've found yourself unable to say anything of actual substance toward the argument. But you did acknowledge 'yes fans', which is only very, very minimal progress, since in the next moment you said HJJ cyberbullied someone, which no, that was still the FANS.

You are one of those fans. Just keep that in mind, that you're no different the fans you're angry at, and it's gross.
It'll continue to be gross. ✌️

You're not just boycotting. You are not abstaining from being involved. You (and company) are and have actively sabotaged his role in his show, just like the FANS you're angry at who are attacking your favourite. You're all just as bad as one another.

To be sure, if you'd boycotted and walked away with your money and that had been that, we'd never have been having this redundant conversation.

I think you may need to go sit down. I'm not even sure you know what has been happening in this discussion at this point, you seem a little unhing...

Nevermind. But um, yeah, thanks again, you're still making my point for me. The FANS tried to sabotage this show, the same way you and other company sabotaged HJJ. So. The same types of FANS. The same types of gross behaviour.

Congrats, you didn't take it lying down, you proved you're just as bad as the FANS in the fandoms opposing yours. Well done...? lol

You sound like an angry ten year old.

Anyway, I don't have any particular feelings about HJJ. I have no interest in watching him in other shows. I am not moved by him as an actor either. He just exists, and I can acknowledge that he is a human being, not an object, who is yet another victim of the parade of unhinged fans, who are like clowns in a particularly unsupervised circus...with a lot of money.

As I originally stated, I was/am a fan of XZG (dancer turned actor), and HJJ acted with him recently in a series, and because of that, HJJ is coming up in my feed, as the algorithm tends to cause to happen. I usually scroll past his posts, but when I saw this mess I read up on it. Honestly, none of this mentally unwell behaviour is new in Asian fan culture, I've seen this same thing done before to other Asian celebs, most of us have, and it'll continue to happen.

So, I ended up here, where all of you who are involved in this mess say the same things in different ways and don't acknowledge that you are the problem. FANS are the problem.

You will continue to be the problem. It's gross.

I think you've confused me with someone else. I have not once used the word 'bully', and you've been misreading? I've made it quite clear I don't condone any of this trash behaviour from ANY fandoms.

And again: - did u know his FANS cyberbullied a smaller actor Liu XiaoBei into going into hiding for several months? -
FANS. You typed that. YOU TYPED IT. How are you missing this in every single one of your posts? Willful blindness.

Same repeated nonsense. Nobody but the unhinged fans need to held accountable. No one but the fans are causing the problem for any of these celebs, including the ones you like. It's all fans like you, in other fandoms, doing the same thing you're doing and causing the same problems you're causing and complaining the same way about you as you're complaining about them. How do you not get this 😂 You've literally writing it, repeatedly.

As a fan you have every right to decide where your money goes, but no one forces you to put it where ever you CHOOSE to put it. The Chinese industry has inflated fans heads to the point where none of you have common sense. An example, imagine if singers could only sing music according to what their fans want/like just because the fans buy their music, the music industry would be a JOKE. It would be absolute sh*t. It doesn't work that way, or at least it shouldn't, but alas, here we are 😂

It needs to be said and repeated, YOU are a fan. The actor does not know you personally, does not care about you individually, does not want you to know his/her personal business, they want to work and share their entertainment talent with whoever wants to enjoy it, they want to live their life. They appreciate your support, sure, but your support which is your choice to give, since you choose to be a fan. You can also choose to be a hater and a hypocrite, which you do, obviously, all the while complaining that others are doing the same in another fandom.

Still, you can choose. These celebs are not forcing their content down your throat, but the Asian's disturbing fan culture had enabled fans to force actors into uncomfortable situations.
You over value yourself as a fan.

"....xz fans and haters will sabotage this drama bc of him." still making my point. The FANS. He's done nothing to you people. The fans are the problem.

Having their personal lives exposed and having their personal life drama affect their career are not the same thing. They are in the spotlight, but if they have a problem with their partners/friends/family and nothing is illegal, it isn't fans' business to judge.

'A high profile cheating scandal.' Nah, he was a pretty new, young actor at the time who allegedly cheated on his non-celebrity girlfriend/or he did cheat on her (it's irrelevant, like high school level stupid drama). The FANS turned it into an issue/scandal.

'Something about virgins' Sounds like you don't actually know. Well, I have heard the recording. If it is HJJ on that recording (hard to tell it's pretty poor quality), I can tell you that the two people were talking about sex, but they weren't talking about about anyone looking for virgin blood. It's basically a post sex convo and it's actually not even anything explicit. And why was she recording an after sex conversation anyway? That's some sus sh*t.

'Why he apologised?' As if we haven't seen Asian actors have to apologise for sh*t they didn't do because the FANS are rabid and out of control. I doubt he had much choice in the matter.

The rest of what you said continues to condone this disturbing fan culture while adding in a variety of other topics that have no direct bearing on the discussion here, which is about Asian fan culture being disturbingly unchecked and very destructive and even quite sickening.

This kind of fall out, for many Asian celebs, not just HJJ, was caused and will continue to caused by unhinged, mentally unwell fans. No matter how you paint it, all this mess comes back to the FANS. It's gross. Glad I'm not a part of it.

Welcome to the conversation, rationally thinking person :D
I hear you, as I've said the problem is the fans and the industry allowing the fans to do it, and here you've mentioned the bigger issue, which is the government, who've set the precedent I suppose, carrying out their extreme celeb cancellation and then allowing the same unhealthy nonsense to spread to fan culture in the first place, and now it's out of hand.

I still say it's irrational and mentally unwell, these individual people need to be responsible for their disturbing way of thinking. They're here defending their favourites and complaining about being attacked and sabotaged by fans, while somehow glazing over the fact they've done the exact same thing to HJJ and even before this, it's been going on for a long time. Like you said, it's a battleground, and that's ridiculous and shouldn't be 'okay' or acceptable or condoned. It's ick to be so blind to this mess.

What HJJ is condemned for is indeed such a dumb, trivial matter. When I first read what he was being attacked for, my eyes started rolling at how stupid this whole thing is. The fact that something so small could be enough to ruin a career or a show's success is a joke.

The unhinged fans should try putting their obsession and money to good use and instead of sabotaging another person's career and being destructive, they should use that energy to over zealously support this production so that it'll be successful even if the plot is sh*t. You know, use their powers for good instead of being ick people.

I love Asian/C-entertainment too, but I could do without the fan culture as it currently stands.

I can see you're aiming for a seemingly neutral approach but everything you've said continues to make the same point, while missing the point at the same time. This is about the core of the problem; the disturbing fan culture.

HJJ should not be held responsible by fans for his personal life business, he is not problematic. He's an actor trying to get work again, when he never should have had to step away in the first place. Unless the actors/actresses are criminals or actively being trash people in their daily lives, they are not the problem. With HJJ, it seems fans/non fans found out something about his personal life which has nothing to do with them, but because they don't have a proper grasp on reality and boundaries, didn't 'like' what he did, and because they have so much financial power, they've publicly condemned him and because the industry needs the money, the industry allowed, and is again, allowing it to happen.

You've pretty much continued to repeat the disturbing rhetoric. It's not about whether HJJ is 'clean'. Even if he did cheat on his ex girlfriend, he should not have owed an apology to ANYONE besides the girl he cheated on. Him cheating on a girl, or him sleeping with ten girls in his personal time, is none of any of the fans business, period. It does not affect his acting ability and it is not a criminal act that he needs to take responsibility for.

Comparing this twisted fan culture to the west is invalid, the people who face cancel culture or removal from media in the west are trash people OR they are facing criminal charges, and even then, the production companies aren't so desperate for money that they will compromise their productions because of a bunch of obsessed fans who can't contain their emotions or mind their business. Hell, even when they SHOULDN'T the west media protects the celeb, which is equally wrong. But see, being able to admit something is wrong is important, being able to distinguish boundaries and reality from fantasy is important. Asian fan culture is not checked by anyone, they're running free and being destructive to peoples lives.

This is all against the actors/actresses' will too, because they're stuck in an industry that panders to mentally unwell, albeit money spending, fans and they have no choice if they want to have any kind of hope for a career. And your opinion is fine, it's your opinion, but that's it, it's just yours and it should stay that way or be shared with your friends. Your opinion should not affect someone else's career.

Asian fan culture is out of hand. And it probably won't change, in fact, it's gonna get worse because it seems most of the westerners who discover Asian media seem to be slipping into this mentally unwell state and latching on to this nonsense, which compounds the problem. But it still needs to be said sometimes, the unhinged fans are the problem.
I'm just saying it.

Yes, the industry that is so 'mature' but is apparently so desperately hard up for fans money that they allow them to ruin actors careers just to suit their mentally unwell fancies, as long as the cash flow isn't interrupted.

I'm not about to defend Hollywood, so not sure what's the point of mentioning that. There are plenty of things that are effed up and need rectifying in the western entertainment media. But that's easy to admit to, unlike how you defend your unhealthy actions. And again, the fact that you're comparing sex tapes, rape and paedophilia to what HJJ has been condemned for, says a lot about your mental state.

Culture is not an excuse for mentally unwell behaviour either, no matter what culture you are, we are all human. HJJ is human and he didn't anything criminally wrong either. Fans like yourself are the problem.

I'm not new to this scene, not even close.
Also...you do realise that literally EVERYTHING you just said is about unhinged fans and none of this disturbing behaviour is HJJ's responsibility, even what you mentioned about XZ, it has nothing to do with him. It's ALL the mentally unwell fans. You don't realise it? Literally, every word you wrote, read it back; mentally unwell fans being out of control and enabled and allowed to be so. You are a part of it, you're just in a different celeb fandom, doing the same thing they are by sabotaging (or supporting the sabotage of) HJJ.

According the series in relation to the novel, a different piece of jewelry was given to Qiushi by Nanzhu, it was an earring from inside the Door World, and it served the purpose of being a tracker, so Nanzhu could find Qiushi more easily if he got into trouble.

In the series, an earring would be too far beyond the censorship, so they chose to use a ring, but they also use it as a token of affection in the series, which also pushes censorship, so they glaze over the topic of the ring and they don't mention it again. We do see the ring again early on but eventually not anymore, in relation to the novel, this can be explained as because the ring served the same purpose of being a tracker, since there are a few instances in the early doors of the series where Lanzhu shows up just in time to save Jiushi with no real explanation of how.
In keeping with the novel and series, items from the Door World have limited uses, so it would explain why the necklace later disappears, because it was used up.

Unfortunately, quite a few little novel references are used in the series but not explained because they cross censorship lines.

You saying 'too western' and saying 'this is China', is condoning the unhealthy fan culture. HJJ is a human whether he's from the west or from China and his personal life is his own business. It sounds like you discovered Asian/C-drama and unfortunately you got dragged into the unhealthy mindset and now you may be stuck in it. I've been in this for a long time, long before I ever joined this website, and I've seen and talked to many people who have escaped that way of thinking before it sticks, and those who sunk into the unhealthy way of thinking 'this is okay' and they've never gotten out.

It's unhealthy to think it's okay for fans to have this much power over a celebs life in any country. In the west, cancel culture is messy but unless the celeb is a total trashfire, cancel culture still fails quite often, because fans don't have that kind of irrational and disturbing power, as they shouldn't. In the west, money flows differently, so the industry is not hard up for fan money to the extent they apparently are in China. In contrast, in the west, there are people who get away with literal crimes, and that is absolutely wrong, but western celebrities with normal lives who have normal personal issues, no matter how messy, do not need to live under the thumbs of their fans.

HJJ is a normal person, and what these fans have condemned him for is trivial bs and isn't even any of their business because his personal life should have nothing to do with his acting, not because of 'sensitive fans' or superstition.

Your last paragraph especially, and your word choice about 'sneaking' confirm that you have the same way of thinking as the unhealthy fans. Two years ago, HJJ should never even have had to stop acting over this nonsense so 'sneaking' back in is already ridiculous, but here you are, condoning unhinged fan behaviour, agreeing with and being a part of it. So you also, are making my point for me.

I think you may be coming from a stand point of 'bad luck' here, right? You're talking about HJJ bringing 'bad luck' to the filming process or something. This is not something that makes rational sense, you're not being rational. If an actor/actress gets injured on set, unless another person or some part of the film team makes an error or has actively physically caused it to happen, it's no ones fault. It's an accident. Injuries happen on film sets daily, superstition has no place in a rational discussion.

HJJ is not supernatural and he is not a criminal. He's a normal person who's encountered a very unhealthy fan culture, and the rest of what you said once again repeats the same unreasonable way of thinking as those fans. But it seems those unhealthy fans once again got their way, and I suppose now, if the show turns out to be sh*t, you will all try to pin the blame on some other person for the sake's of your sanity. As long as it's not blamed on your favourite you'll get through your day.

Just to be clear, I don't know this actor you're all defending, but I don't blame him either for unhinged fan behaviour. You are all responsible for your own poor mental health., not the celebs you like.

Oh yeah, not surprising in the least that they think that way. There's no healthy reasoning, only mental unwellness. Hell, even if he did cheat on his ex girlfriend, it's not their business and it's not illegal. Even if he wasn't careful about hiding his relationships and people found out he's a grown ass man who has sexual relationships with women, it's not their business and it's not illegal. None of it has anything to do with him being an actor, it's just unhinged fangirls who can't determine fiction from reality, and they have been given leeway (because they're basically walking income opportunities) to let their desperate Tinkerbell-like feelings dictate someone's literal life and career and...

You know what, I'ma stop. I shouldn't waste any more energy on this.
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This happens everywhere, sure, but the fan culture in Asia is out of hand and is unhealthy to the point of being disturbing. I'm not a fan of HJJ, I only know who he is because of The Spirealm and since I was/am a fan of XZG and they recently acted together, HJJ is coming up in my feed and I saw the posts with unhinged fan bs going on, on Twitter.

And yep, everything you said sounds the same as the OP, just worded differently. This is all down to crazy fans with delicate sensibilities, over entitlement and too much power and spending money. I don't know who YXW either, but you called him a murderer and a predator? If you think that what HJJ has been catching flack for is comparable to murder and being a predator, you fit right in with those fans. You've just made my point for me, AND you've called out fangirls for being mentally unstable, thinking a male celeb's sex life is any of their business. Thanks.

Hope the industry grows a backbone and properly shuts crazy fans down one day.

LOL at least it wasn't sad this time, right? xD