Why do people cheer for hjp? Because he is an underdog and people love underdog stories.
Because he is a person who came from a life with zero family, zero friends, zero money and zero opportunities. And he found a way to rise up from all of that. The onlyrhing missing in his life is someone to share his life with
Dosan on the other hand had 2 loving parents, 2 amazing friends, genius intellect, and tons of opportunities. But typical young guy doesn't realize how good his life is and can only complain about what he does not have.
People in real life are sick and tired of these priveleged kids who hasn't had to come from poverty to be successful.
Who cares if dalmi and dosan ends up together? It don't bother me.
The reason the show suffered is that the writer thought that the road to hjp's happiness is to give him more money, when everything about hjp from EP. 1 to 16 is about showing hjp is more than just money, he has too strong a moral conscience, and is too willing to sacrifice everything for other people who could care less about him.
In this kdrama. The good guy finished last
Hip may be shorter than NDS and have smaller hands than NDS. But what hjp lacks in height and hand size he more than makes up in the goodness category. Hjp is even more selfless than grandma, who doesn't even bother fessing up.
Not sure if this is serious post or sarcasm.All the bad things you say about SML applies to ML also lol...
We are talking about love relationship and not start ups.
I'm a relationship both people who are too tough or toi similar often spells disaster due to how they don't complement each other's strength.
Now of we are talking about business. No way a business with only dreamers will succeed. Why do you think the write needed hjp to babysit the new company?
Dreamers always need people who can execute. And neither dalmi nor dosan had that mentality.
Not sure if this is serious post or sarcasm.All the bad things you say about SML applies to ML also lol...
Forced into it?
Someone can offer you money to do something bad or guilt trip you to do something bad, but in the end if you do the bad thing, you can't blame anyone but yourself.
For me ml and SML shared the blame. Yet the FL acted as if the SML was devil incarnate and the ml was an angel sent from heaven.
I see people say this a lot, but most of the Kdrama i've watched don't have the known each other since children…
I genuinely feel bad for Dosan, because up until the end of the show, he never finds an identity that he can call his own.
The whole show is either Dosan being who HJP wanted him to be, or being who he thinks Dalmi wants him to be.
We never actually see Dosan become his own person. Pretty tragic.
At least HJP eventually gets in touch with his younger self, and focuses on his beginnings. Dosan never faces his demons, nor does he figure out that there is more to life than pleasing Dalmi.
I see people say this a lot, but most of the Kdrama i've watched don't have the known each other since children…
Like in Crazy Rich Asians, lying that your secretly wealthy, is still a lie but forgivable. Rationale being, you don't want to be treated differently because your wealthy.
Lying about being a completely different person? Rationale being, "I don't want to see you cry?"
I see people say this a lot, but most of the Kdrama i've watched don't have the known each other since children…
Ahh yeah, I haven't seen those.
Love at first sight is so corny, if I get a guy tells me that, I would just roll my eyes lol! This isn't Romeo and Juliet anymore, it's modern society, and it takes more than good looks to fall in love nowadays.
TBH, I didn't get the Dalmi and Dosan love part. Like, I felt, as a girl, it's hard to trust a guy who lied to you. Even if he was forced to lie, or had to choice but to lie, its hard to trust that guy again.
Plus kissing me, while knowing he's lying to me, yuck!
Add to the fact, i've seen many real life relationships, and movie/tv drama relationships that have broken up permanently, on lesser lies. And forgive me if I am a bit skeptical with how Dalmi can still love Dosan after all he's done.
Just because he does a few good things, doesn't negate the bad things he has done, IMO.
Although I understand it's Kdrama, and it's meant to be unrealistic and romanticized, but still, I feel since it's not a fantasy drama, it should be grounded in modernist view of romance. And with surging feminist views in today's world, including Korea, this type of manipulative/lying type of relationships should be kept at a minimum and not romanticized.
I think SDM wasn't someone who focused on the present but learned to do that as the story progressed and that's…
I guess, we see things differently here.
I belong to a traditional section of Asian society, and the way Dosan kept placing Dalmi and his peers as more important than his family kind of bugged me. Also the way Dosan treated HJP, who is his senior in a very hierarchical Korean society, also seem quite odd.
I did see SDM care for Grandma for the first half, but after the second half, there is inconsistencies, and we start seeing Dalmi care more about her success/career/Dosan than Grandma.
I'm not saying, that young people should care more about family, at the detriment of your own personal success, but being part of Asian society, it's always a balancing act of reverence/respect/care for your family as compared to your peers/GF/BF.
Even the treatment of the mom of both Injae/Dalmi is a bit dumbfounding IMO.
And yes, the whole family relationship of Dalmi and her mom and her sister, was incredibly glossed over, Dalmi and Injae made up in literally 5 seconds of screen time. It felt quite forced.
But the part about familial relationship I disliked the most was Dosan's treatment of his parents. I would never do that to my parents to the point of blaming them for what I have become. It's quite unfair to the Asian parents, who only want their child to maximize his potential. And throughout most of the show, Dosan treats his parents not the best, as compared to the way he treated Dalmi and his peers.
I think SDM wasn't someone who focused on the present but learned to do that as the story progressed and that's…
The problem I have with the present is more important to the past concept, is that in Start Up, this seems to relate to familial relationships as well. There is a recurring theme in the show that your contemporaries/peers/GF/BF is more important than your family.
It's a message that I think most Asian traditionalist would have a problem accepting. IMO.
Just finished this.I'm actually glad for once that the 'we've known each other since we were kids' trope didn't…
I see people say this a lot, but most of the Kdrama i've watched don't have the known each other since children trope.
is it really that common? The ones I've seen, the ML and FL maybe work together, or meet serendipitously.
I find the way Dosan and Dalmi met, more cliche? The whole love at first sight thing, has really got to go, very unrealistic, nobody really falls in love like that.
This comment section did not pass the vibe check lmaoI have been Seonho's fan since Catch the Ghost and of course…
Couldn't have said it better.
Some of the fans here can't seem to accept some people preferred HJP and Dalmi. Basically if your not rooting for the ML and FL, your being ostracized. It's 2021, people should be able to root for whatever ship they want without fear of being on the wrong side of history.
Actually no. He is a good actor and performed very well in this drama. There's no doubt about that but actually…
I felt Suzy's acting was not that great, NJH was not so bad, but your right, not good enough considering the competition.
KSH is in a tough category as well, he has lots of top notch supporting actors to beat out, non withstanding OJS.
I would be genuinely surprised if Start Up was nominated in any of the other categories, because Start Up frankly isn't Baeksang material. There were just many better dramas in 2021.
8.1 is masterpiece level? *surprised pikachu face*
Thats the kind of threats that can and probably will get you banned. Fyi.
And i feel its quite insensitive to throw around the words terrorism and bullying so callously, especially when they are two very real things with real global ramifications.
If this was real life, they divorce in first 2 years.
Because he is a person who came from a life with zero family, zero friends, zero money and zero opportunities. And he found a way to rise up from all of that. The onlyrhing missing in his life is someone to share his life with
Dosan on the other hand had 2 loving parents, 2 amazing friends, genius intellect, and tons of opportunities. But typical young guy doesn't realize how good his life is and can only complain about what he does not have.
People in real life are sick and tired of these priveleged kids who hasn't had to come from poverty to be successful.
Who cares if dalmi and dosan ends up together? It don't bother me.
The reason the show suffered is that the writer thought that the road to hjp's happiness is to give him more money, when everything about hjp from EP. 1 to 16 is about showing hjp is more than just money, he has too strong a moral conscience, and is too willing to sacrifice everything for other people who could care less about him.
In this kdrama. The good guy finished last
Hip may be shorter than NDS and have smaller hands than NDS. But what hjp lacks in height and hand size he more than makes up in the goodness category. Hjp is even more selfless than grandma, who doesn't even bother fessing up.
I'm a relationship both people who are too tough or toi similar often spells disaster due to how they don't complement each other's strength.
Now of we are talking about business. No way a business with only dreamers will succeed. Why do you think the write needed hjp to babysit the new company?
Dreamers always need people who can execute. And neither dalmi nor dosan had that mentality.
She actually never even seems to forgive SML.
She forgives grandma and she gets angry at ml at first then forgives him In a span of half an episode.
Fact of the matter it's a double standard.
But if you think otherwise it's your opinion.
Lol I think you misunderstood what makes a long lasting relationship.
Same thing as dosan and dalmi both being dreamers is a recipe for disaster except for kdrama land.
Someone can offer you money to do something bad or guilt trip you to do something bad, but in the end if you do the bad thing, you can't blame anyone but yourself.
For me ml and SML shared the blame. Yet the FL acted as if the SML was devil incarnate and the ml was an angel sent from heaven.
Kind of silly and unrealistic.
All the bad things you say about SML applies to ML also lol...
The whole show is either Dosan being who HJP wanted him to be, or being who he thinks Dalmi wants him to be.
We never actually see Dosan become his own person. Pretty tragic.
At least HJP eventually gets in touch with his younger self, and focuses on his beginnings. Dosan never faces his demons, nor does he figure out that there is more to life than pleasing Dalmi.
Yong San and his brother.
Hip and grandma
Dalmi and grandma
Dosan and his parents
Injae and her brother and stepfather
Injae and dalmi
Dalmi and her dad and mom
Dalmi mom and Grandma
As you can see enough screen time and focus was given to family relationships in start up, but the wrong message were being propagated.
Lying about being a completely different person? Rationale being, "I don't want to see you cry?"
Umm... what kind of logic is that?
Love at first sight is so corny, if I get a guy tells me that, I would just roll my eyes lol! This isn't Romeo and Juliet anymore, it's modern society, and it takes more than good looks to fall in love nowadays.
TBH, I didn't get the Dalmi and Dosan love part. Like, I felt, as a girl, it's hard to trust a guy who lied to you. Even if he was forced to lie, or had to choice but to lie, its hard to trust that guy again.
Plus kissing me, while knowing he's lying to me, yuck!
Add to the fact, i've seen many real life relationships, and movie/tv drama relationships that have broken up permanently, on lesser lies. And forgive me if I am a bit skeptical with how Dalmi can still love Dosan after all he's done.
Just because he does a few good things, doesn't negate the bad things he has done, IMO.
Although I understand it's Kdrama, and it's meant to be unrealistic and romanticized, but still, I feel since it's not a fantasy drama, it should be grounded in modernist view of romance. And with surging feminist views in today's world, including Korea, this type of manipulative/lying type of relationships should be kept at a minimum and not romanticized.
I belong to a traditional section of Asian society, and the way Dosan kept placing Dalmi and his peers as more important than his family kind of bugged me. Also the way Dosan treated HJP, who is his senior in a very hierarchical Korean society, also seem quite odd.
I did see SDM care for Grandma for the first half, but after the second half, there is inconsistencies, and we start seeing Dalmi care more about her success/career/Dosan than Grandma.
I'm not saying, that young people should care more about family, at the detriment of your own personal success, but being part of Asian society, it's always a balancing act of reverence/respect/care for your family as compared to your peers/GF/BF.
Even the treatment of the mom of both Injae/Dalmi is a bit dumbfounding IMO.
And yes, the whole family relationship of Dalmi and her mom and her sister, was incredibly glossed over, Dalmi and Injae made up in literally 5 seconds of screen time. It felt quite forced.
But the part about familial relationship I disliked the most was Dosan's treatment of his parents. I would never do that to my parents to the point of blaming them for what I have become. It's quite unfair to the Asian parents, who only want their child to maximize his potential. And throughout most of the show, Dosan treats his parents not the best, as compared to the way he treated Dalmi and his peers.
Just my thoughts, you don't have to agree .
It's a message that I think most Asian traditionalist would have a problem accepting. IMO.
is it really that common? The ones I've seen, the ML and FL maybe work together, or meet serendipitously.
I find the way Dosan and Dalmi met, more cliche? The whole love at first sight thing, has really got to go, very unrealistic, nobody really falls in love like that.
Some of the fans here can't seem to accept some people preferred HJP and Dalmi. Basically if your not rooting for the ML and FL, your being ostracized. It's 2021, people should be able to root for whatever ship they want without fear of being on the wrong side of history.
KSH is in a tough category as well, he has lots of top notch supporting actors to beat out, non withstanding OJS.
I would be genuinely surprised if Start Up was nominated in any of the other categories, because Start Up frankly isn't Baeksang material. There were just many better dramas in 2021.
And i feel its quite insensitive to throw around the words terrorism and bullying so callously, especially when they are two very real things with real global ramifications.
Maybe choose your words better next time Tom.