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"he was only fighting his bisexual demons" - EXACTLY YOU GET IT !!
And that reminds me, MDL comment section is really smth, I have not checked it for this drama yet. And I don't think I will. But I think most people on twt actually prefers Mood Indigo over The Novelist?? So yeah, this could really be just an MDL thing because MDL people are so notorious for not having any media literacy, lol.
"i think people have a problem with storylines that refuses to give us, like, tidy, mmm, cookie cutter queer characters/narratives?" - YUP EXACTLY!!! BL stans say that they are ready for complex characters and relationships and intricate storylines, but the moment they see a character that does not fit the stereotypical BL characters, they start crying, screaming, throwing up. They really cannot handle characters with more dimensions. And of course, there is also the casual biphobia. Some of these people do not deserve good stories like this π€π€π€π€
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I try to create but everything is half-assed, haha. AND OMG NOT ME MENTION ADFKJGFJDFJK !!!! okay, im actually scared to talk about Not Me because I know the ship I like is hated by everyone, especially on twt. And I've gotten into so many fights with people on there because this ship is like one of my ult ships π€§and im scared to ask you what you think about them lsfgdlfkgsd;lfs i think you can guess which ship it is π€§
Ah, CQL and MDZS fandoms are notorious for their toxicity. Since it's the biggest danmei/dangai fandom, you can find all kinda people there, and they can be very annoying. And not to mention all the drama the fandom caused that affected the actors, and well.. there's always something happening there, lol. I left that side a long time ago, I don't have the patience to deal with them tbh ππand i realized it is good to stay away because now, once again, i can look at the drama without getting annoyed skfhkdjfg AND NOT TO MENTION. AGAIN. My favourite ship from that show is hated by everyone else, and like.. I understand the haters, but yeah.. π
I know this is a small detail so do not come for me, I just want to get this off my chest. The most underwhelming part of the finale, for me, was the revelation of the connection between Great and Lukwa. I've loved Lukwa since the moment she walked through those doors in the first episode, even when I was cent percent sure that she will end up being a plot device β for a narrative that heavily depended on incluing/indirect exposition, it was obvious from the get go that she'd be one of those characters whose just here to explain things. Along with Den, her sole purpose is to offer insight into the main concept (NDE) around which this show is built. And that's all that I expected from her character too.
Except for one thing.
I was really curious about the connection between Great and Lukwa. How is it that she appeared in his NDE.. and how is that he ended up in hers.. And that Art Exhibition scene is the most underwhelming, unoriginal, unserious explanation they could've come up with. Sigh, maybe I got way too much into fan theories, but yeah, it was just.. so underwhelming. But, also, understandable since there's only 8 episodes, so there's no need to expect elaborate connection between the two. Even the relationship between the leads aren't that fleshed out, so how can we expect smth substantial for a connection with a minor character. I guess the purpose of the connection was just more info dumping.
BUT STILL.
Maybe they could've just omitted that connection altogether, and introduced Lukwa as just another character who experienced the 4 Minutes Phenomenon. But no. They had to bring in a third person who was bestowing upon them the power to see into the future. Like are yall for real? Who even was that artist? Jinta from Triage making a guest appearance? I don't understand. I mean I do understand, I'm just.. not satisfied. Like. They've been hinting at the connection between Lukwa abd Great in previous episodes, and it being.. whatever this was.. really is underwhelming.
(And Great walking away from another person who was on the verge of death, like thank you for reminding me that he really was an asshole like that sjdjdjdj which further makes the ending less satisfying because yeah, Great is turning himself in for Dome.. but what about the hit and run your father covered up for you, my bro? So yeah, the ending is inconsistent with the first half of the show. I mean, yeah, I understand how Great came face to face with death and it changed him, and he wanna right his wrongs - and I'm all here for that. But that pseudo-redemption arc maybe would've felt satisfactory if it was spread out over two episodes instead of second half of a single episode. And the political aspects of this is a mess. Also idk if I wanna go back and figure out who Wanchai and his daughter is, and how Warit ended up where he ended up).
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First of all, THANK YOU FOR THIS LONG TEXT!! It's been a long time since I got to listen to someone talking about 2HA and Meatbun with so much admiration π₯Ήπ₯Ή Your reply got me giggling, it legit made my day (well, night, since it's almost midnight here, haha).
Having a full on existential crisis is the quintessential 2HA reading experience, and I'm glad you're having the best of it π€ It literally makes us think and question everything we thought weknew about fiction, but also about ourselves. And trust me, you'll be seeing everything in a new light once you're done reading π€§ And it is on the heavier side too, with respect to plot, themes, angst, smut, morality, and all that. It only gets more and more complicated as we move towards the end of the book, and the last few chapters in 2HA is literally the most beautiful and heartbreaking and satisfying thing I've ever read. I can't wait to see what you think about it!!
AND CHU WANNING WHERE DO I EVEN START!!! I am obsessed with him, and I relate to him so much, too! And also Mo Ran!! I'm like a ranwan love child because I kinda am the perfect blend of both of their personalities, and I find pieces of myself in both of them. There's things about Mo Ran that I want to say, but it would possibly be spoilers, so I'll refrain myself π€§ but yeah, they're perfection and MEATBUN GALAXY BRAIN!!! She really is an amazing author!!! Have you, by chance, read Yuwu and BAB?? ππ
And it's so cool you have an older sibling to talk to about it, I was just screaming into the void when I read it π And ah, my 2HA experience π Where do I even start.. I've been waiting for HYX since forever but I first read 2HA three years ago and it still have the same effect on me. Like, I'm stuck here forever, it is my entire personality, I don't think I'll be able to move on ever π I've always been scared about writing but recently I started writing fics for them, but my writing isn't that good but I really wanna get better so I can write good fics for them π€§ Yeah, that's how far gone I am now, 2HA really is a big, big part of my life π€§ And English isn't my first language either (i like to hate on it too, just because i am a english literature major haha), so yeah, we do not give any flying fucks about grammar in this household, dont worry about that!! And you're pretty eloquent in expressing yourself, so no worries!!
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SHHDJDJDJDJ THAT'S ME ABOUT THIS SHOW TOO π And what do you mean people found Kido-san weird? OMG WHY ARE PEOPLE SO TASTELESS, SMH. I feel like Kido-san can pass as a normal person if we put him next to the other two π but ofc, he isn't any less of a freak, and he has his own complexities too!! I absolutely loved him in Mood Indigo, AND OMG SENSEI WAS SUCH A MOOD SBSJJDD and please write a theses, i will be reading it, even if it means i have to use a translator π€§π€§π«Άπ«Άπ«Ά
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No, same, that's how I rate, too π And Utsukushii Kare is one of those dramas that I absolutely loved when I first watched it, and even took the pain to make edits of it, so it really is dear to me!! But, sometimes, my opinion of a piece of media is also affected by the fandom, so if a fandom pissed me off, I'd rate smth lower djjdjdnddk but yeah, it's one of my favourites!!
AND I GET YOU ABOUT GETTING OVERWHELMED BY RATING !! I JUST REMOVED RATINGS for quite a few of the dramas I've watched because I was like.. wait, objectively that does not make sense... And I'm like why can't I have a definite system for rating things.. why is it always based on my moods, and blah blah, so now I'm like whatever π€§
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THIS IS AN HONOUR !! SO GLAD TO MEET YOU!! It is hard to find old man yaoi enthusiasts, especially among drama watchers. Most people prefer high school dramas or stuff with younger actors, so I'm so glad to find someone with similar interests!! π₯Ήπ₯Ήπ«Ά
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PLEASE MAKE ALL THE FUSS YOU WANT!! Utsukushii Kare is up there on my favourite list, I've been contemplating about the rating, I might change it after I rewatch because it's beeen a while π€§
Watched the pilot and was pleasantly surprised. Even if it is a high school setting, the concept looks new and refreshing, and the characters are so cute, I'd be tuning in ^^
It flew by for me, but thatβs probably because I was busy reading and watching " the on1y one". Still, the wait…
I'll take your word for it and start once I'm done with Takara's Treasure!
Bible not liking it possibly means we might be getting a happy ending XD I'm down for anything as long as it fits the plot, and I'm curious to see how they're going it wrap it all up.. like with all that has happened? That ending better make sense and tie all loose ends or BOC will be hearing from my therapist and lawyer π€π€
It flew by for me, but thatβs probably because I was busy reading and watching " the on1y one". Still, the wait…
Oh, I've been meaning to start it, been hearing good things!
And I've been busy with a lot of things too but it still feels so slow somehow. Maybe it is because, usually, I read a lot of theories on Tumblr throughout the week but I've totally given up on that after EP 6 π I'm at my come-what-may phase because, personally, idt there is a point in theorizing about the plot anymore and I just wanna know what happens next, just give it to me, so all that's making me more impatient, i guess ππ
And that reminds me, MDL comment section is really smth, I have not checked it for this drama yet. And I don't think I will. But I think most people on twt actually prefers Mood Indigo over The Novelist?? So yeah, this could really be just an MDL thing because MDL people are so notorious for not having any media literacy, lol.
"i think people have a problem with storylines that refuses to give us, like, tidy, mmm, cookie cutter queer characters/narratives?" - YUP EXACTLY!!! BL stans say that they are ready for complex characters and relationships and intricate storylines, but the moment they see a character that does not fit the stereotypical BL characters, they start crying, screaming, throwing up. They really cannot handle characters with more dimensions. And of course, there is also the casual biphobia. Some of these people do not deserve good stories like this π€π€π€π€
Ah, CQL and MDZS fandoms are notorious for their toxicity. Since it's the biggest danmei/dangai fandom, you can find all kinda people there, and they can be very annoying. And not to mention all the drama the fandom caused that affected the actors, and well.. there's always something happening there, lol. I left that side a long time ago, I don't have the patience to deal with them tbh ππand i realized it is good to stay away because now, once again, i can look at the drama without getting annoyed skfhkdjfg AND NOT TO MENTION. AGAIN. My favourite ship from that show is hated by everyone else, and like.. I understand the haters, but yeah.. π
Except for one thing.
I was really curious about the connection between Great and Lukwa. How is it that she appeared in his NDE.. and how is that he ended up in hers.. And that Art Exhibition scene is the most underwhelming, unoriginal, unserious explanation they could've come up with. Sigh, maybe I got way too much into fan theories, but yeah, it was just.. so underwhelming. But, also, understandable since there's only 8 episodes, so there's no need to expect elaborate connection between the two. Even the relationship between the leads aren't that fleshed out, so how can we expect smth substantial for a connection with a minor character. I guess the purpose of the connection was just more info dumping.
BUT STILL.
Maybe they could've just omitted that connection altogether, and introduced Lukwa as just another character who experienced the 4 Minutes Phenomenon. But no. They had to bring in a third person who was bestowing upon them the power to see into the future. Like are yall for real? Who even was that artist? Jinta from Triage making a guest appearance? I don't understand. I mean I do understand, I'm just.. not satisfied. Like. They've been hinting at the connection between Lukwa abd Great in previous episodes, and it being.. whatever this was.. really is underwhelming.
(And Great walking away from another person who was on the verge of death, like thank you for reminding me that he really was an asshole like that sjdjdjdj which further makes the ending less satisfying because yeah, Great is turning himself in for Dome.. but what about the hit and run your father covered up for you, my bro? So yeah, the ending is inconsistent with the first half of the show. I mean, yeah, I understand how Great came face to face with death and it changed him, and he wanna right his wrongs - and I'm all here for that. But that pseudo-redemption arc maybe would've felt satisfactory if it was spread out over two episodes instead of second half of a single episode. And the political aspects of this is a mess. Also idk if I wanna go back and figure out who Wanchai and his daughter is, and how Warit ended up where he ended up).
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Having a full on existential crisis is the quintessential 2HA reading experience, and I'm glad you're having the best of it π€ It literally makes us think and question everything we thought weknew about fiction, but also about ourselves. And trust me, you'll be seeing everything in a new light once you're done reading π€§ And it is on the heavier side too, with respect to plot, themes, angst, smut, morality, and all that. It only gets more and more complicated as we move towards the end of the book, and the last few chapters in 2HA is literally the most beautiful and heartbreaking and satisfying thing I've ever read. I can't wait to see what you think about it!!
AND CHU WANNING WHERE DO I EVEN START!!! I am obsessed with him, and I relate to him so much, too! And also Mo Ran!! I'm like a ranwan love child because I kinda am the perfect blend of both of their personalities, and I find pieces of myself in both of them. There's things about Mo Ran that I want to say, but it would possibly be spoilers, so I'll refrain myself π€§ but yeah, they're perfection and MEATBUN GALAXY BRAIN!!! She really is an amazing author!!! Have you, by chance, read Yuwu and BAB?? ππ
And it's so cool you have an older sibling to talk to about it, I was just screaming into the void when I read it π And ah, my 2HA experience π Where do I even start.. I've been waiting for HYX since forever but I first read 2HA three years ago and it still have the same effect on me. Like, I'm stuck here forever, it is my entire personality, I don't think I'll be able to move on ever π I've always been scared about writing but recently I started writing fics for them, but my writing isn't that good but I really wanna get better so I can write good fics for them π€§ Yeah, that's how far gone I am now, 2HA really is a big, big part of my life π€§ And English isn't my first language either (i like to hate on it too, just because i am a english literature major haha), so yeah, we do not give any flying fucks about grammar in this household, dont worry about that!! And you're pretty eloquent in expressing yourself, so no worries!!
AND I GET YOU ABOUT GETTING OVERWHELMED BY RATING !! I JUST REMOVED RATINGS for quite a few of the dramas I've watched because I was like.. wait, objectively that does not make sense... And I'm like why can't I have a definite system for rating things.. why is it always based on my moods, and blah blah, so now I'm like whatever π€§
Bible not liking it possibly means we might be getting a happy ending XD I'm down for anything as long as it fits the plot, and I'm curious to see how they're going it wrap it all up.. like with all that has happened? That ending better make sense and tie all loose ends or BOC will be hearing from my therapist and lawyer π€π€
And I've been busy with a lot of things too but it still feels so slow somehow. Maybe it is because, usually, I read a lot of theories on Tumblr throughout the week but I've totally given up on that after EP 6 π I'm at my come-what-may phase because, personally, idt there is a point in theorizing about the plot anymore and I just wanna know what happens next, just give it to me, so all that's making me more impatient, i guess ππ