The original Spanish thread actually seems to argue that Great and Tyme aren't the protagonists? But I haven't…
oh yeah, that's what I thought too, at first. but they're actually trying to disprove what a lot of fans on twt have been saying. Apparently Fuaiz have been receiving too much hate about his screentime but surprise surprise, even Bas has more screentime than him. It is unnecessary to be so hateful towards an actor who was just doing his job.
FINALLY. Thank you so much for this. I would love to see more of Great and Tyme story but this excuse about screentime…
Same, like I cannot wait to see where there story is going to go but the hate towards other members of the cast is quite disheartening. Not to mention the unnecessary hatred being thrown at Sammon.
What people, or at least what I, complain about isn't the individual screen time of each character but about them…
Then this isn't for you. That's why I specifically said fleshing out characters is smth entirely different (should've added that include relationship development too). But this was to clarify for people who were specifically talking about screentime. Like Bible and Jes as actors not having enough screentime when this was supposed to be their show.
The orginal thread shows screentime of different character in each episode. It is quite obvious that Great and Tyme have more screentime than the rest of the characters yall are complaining about.
Now, characters being fleshed out is an entirely different thing. But I hope we can now put behind us this whole debate of second leads getting more screentime.
Okay so who thinks it's all just a dream and none of Great's changes will stick, and who's thinking we're going…
Personally, I want to see the first part: the changes not sticking, because I'm a sucker for sad/open endings. I like to think that Great fell in love far too late and by the time he started to realize how deeply he felt for Tyme, their story was already coming to an end. Furthermore, the state he and Tyme ended up could be the consequences of his actions. And it is the biggest of all regrets he has that even in a state of comatose, his brain is trying to fix the mess and maybe offer him a happier version of things so it is the last thing he knows and he can die in peace—— (okay I'll show myself outðŸ˜)
But I do feel that the show might take the quantam physics way out. Sammon did mention smth about Spirits, so maybe that would explain what Tongkla is going through but if it does not, then the possibilities of worlds/timelines colliding or bleeding into each other is very much possible. There's this theory I read that explains a lot about this aspect. Honestly, I don't understand much of it, but it sounds kinda cool, ngl.
I don't mind whichever way the show chooses to execute things. I just hope it will make sense and is coherent when comparing with what already happened till now.
Maybe he's just a child abuse victim, taken advantage by an older, more experienced lover who knew and told him…
Oh yes, absolutely. Childhood trauma and a dysfunctional family, Tongkla definitely did not grow up in a stable household. His relationship with Korn might have started on good terms, but, over time, it evolved into something that restrains him in every aspect of his existence.
Tongkla can be considered a variant of the Attic Wife trope. Because if we look at it, Tongkla barely ever leaves the house. He is caged. Not to mention that Tongkla is staying in the house that Korn bought for him (I saw on twt that Sammon confirmed this in a recent space). Korn tells him there is no need for him to work, that Korn will give him money. By now, it is obvious how indebted and dependent Tongkla is to Korn. The power imbalance and manipulation is insane. But I don't think Korn is even aware how toxic he has become in locking up (metaphorically) and then proceeding to ignore Tongkla.
I do remember Tongkla having a meltdown asking himself why he is putting up with all this. I feel like he is stuck in a loop of wanting to break free but being powerless and lost to actually do anything. Tongkla seems to be really, really dependent on Korn. Not just for financial needs, but also emotional and physical. Korn seems to be the centre of his world. He really yearns for Korn's love and affection and attention. And the more he does not get it, the more he turns to self-harm and self-destruction. Drugs and Win.
Tongkla possibly started this life on the promises Korn made. But Korn's promises are nothing when Tongkla is a secret he hides away. To live like that for years will obviously push a person to the brink of their sanity.
The thing about Munchausen Syndrome really surprised me because the person was claiming that Tongkla was acting pitiful for Korn's attention. And that for Korn's attention he would go to the extent of killing his cat and even his own brother. I'm starting to wonder if we're all watching the same show at this point ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
I don't know, but Munchausen syndrome sounds pretty far from him. I'm more concerned about him getting sick from…
Imagine my surprise when I read a post suggesting that Tongkla killed his cat and his brother for pity and attention. I mean the other two are a stretch too but the explanations for why he could be having Munchausen Syndrome made me want to throw my phone against the wall ðŸ˜
Can someone explain the black cat stuff that people are talking about to me? I might not have paid enough attention,…
The black cat first appears in EP 1. When Korn leaves after he gets the call, Tongkla is left alone all over again. While he's sitting there on the coach, he must have felt that someone was watching him and turned around to see a black cat staring at him. The cat runs away the moment Tongkla noticed it. The scene is also accompanied by lightning and thunder which gives an eerie and ominous feeling to the whole ordeal.
The black cat appears for the second time in EP 4 in Tongkla's flashback where he is thinking about the time he met Korn in Uni. Tongkla was burying his dead cat in the campus yard. He said he wanted to bury the cat away from his home, away from the person who killed it. This shows that the cat has been long dead. So the cat that appeared in EP 1 has been dead a long time ago and it isn't possible for that cat to show up like that.
It is speculated that Tongkla can see/hear things because he sees/hear his dead cat and his dead brother. So, he's either seeing things that aren't real or that the timelines are merging. People are coming up with various theories about the Cat and Tongkla's timeline.. but nothing can be confirmed as of why this is happening.
So far, I've seen people diagnose Tongkla with DID, Schizophrenia, and Munchausen Syndrome and I feel like we're losing the plot at this point ðŸ˜ðŸ˜Next EP better be giving us some good answers. seriously.
I saw quite a few people talking about it on Tumblr, but I couldn't make sense of anything 🥲
Ah, that's true.. there were some on twt too, but i dont rmb seeing anything here. I guess it is about time we started talking about the possibilities of the two timelines bleeding into each other XD
https://x.com/r_o_s_i_e__/status/1826149455533424700?t=rZ4v5QD58WPy9bMqQ75SSA&s=19
The orginal thread shows screentime of different character in each episode. It is quite obvious that Great and Tyme have more screentime than the rest of the characters yall are complaining about.
Now, characters being fleshed out is an entirely different thing. But I hope we can now put behind us this whole debate of second leads getting more screentime.
And I'm not entirely sure where I stand with the murders because both possibilities seem good ðŸ˜
But I do feel that the show might take the quantam physics way out. Sammon did mention smth about Spirits, so maybe that would explain what Tongkla is going through but if it does not, then the possibilities of worlds/timelines colliding or bleeding into each other is very much possible. There's this theory I read that explains a lot about this aspect. Honestly, I don't understand much of it, but it sounds kinda cool, ngl.
https://www.tumblr.com/tbhimnoteasyonmyself/759187742389338112/4-minutes-theory
I don't mind whichever way the show chooses to execute things. I just hope it will make sense and is coherent when comparing with what already happened till now.
Tongkla can be considered a variant of the Attic Wife trope. Because if we look at it, Tongkla barely ever leaves the house. He is caged. Not to mention that Tongkla is staying in the house that Korn bought for him (I saw on twt that Sammon confirmed this in a recent space). Korn tells him there is no need for him to work, that Korn will give him money. By now, it is obvious how indebted and dependent Tongkla is to Korn. The power imbalance and manipulation is insane. But I don't think Korn is even aware how toxic he has become in locking up (metaphorically) and then proceeding to ignore Tongkla.
I do remember Tongkla having a meltdown asking himself why he is putting up with all this. I feel like he is stuck in a loop of wanting to break free but being powerless and lost to actually do anything. Tongkla seems to be really, really dependent on Korn. Not just for financial needs, but also emotional and physical. Korn seems to be the centre of his world. He really yearns for Korn's love and affection and attention. And the more he does not get it, the more he turns to self-harm and self-destruction. Drugs and Win.
Tongkla possibly started this life on the promises Korn made. But Korn's promises are nothing when Tongkla is a secret he hides away. To live like that for years will obviously push a person to the brink of their sanity.
The thing about Munchausen Syndrome really surprised me because the person was claiming that Tongkla was acting pitiful for Korn's attention. And that for Korn's attention he would go to the extent of killing his cat and even his own brother. I'm starting to wonder if we're all watching the same show at this point ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
The black cat appears for the second time in EP 4 in Tongkla's flashback where he is thinking about the time he met Korn in Uni. Tongkla was burying his dead cat in the campus yard. He said he wanted to bury the cat away from his home, away from the person who killed it. This shows that the cat has been long dead. So the cat that appeared in EP 1 has been dead a long time ago and it isn't possible for that cat to show up like that.
It is speculated that Tongkla can see/hear things because he sees/hear his dead cat and his dead brother. So, he's either seeing things that aren't real or that the timelines are merging. People are coming up with various theories about the Cat and Tongkla's timeline.. but nothing can be confirmed as of why this is happening.
https://www.tumblr.com/tbhimnoteasyonmyself/759187742389338112/4-minutes-theory