The "technical disaster" lol! Please elaborate on this, if you please. My work heart stopped here for a second.
Oh yeah, I hate when that happens. I admire your will power to push through all these shows tho!! I'm not always this nitpicky and let things be, but I guess I easily notice these stuff because I do a lot of editing too π€ It is both a blessing and a curse, because on one hand, I can understand why certain creative choices were made.. but on the other hand, it is really hard to not notice the tiniest flaws ππ
And it's good you don't follow what goes on behind the scenes, because absolute madness. But yeah idk if this is the best place to talk about all that, haha. Anyways. Hope this show will be consistent in delivering good story, good acting, and overall a good quality production π€
The "technical disaster" lol! Please elaborate on this, if you please. My work heart stopped here for a second.
I don't think expecting the most basic stuff from a company like MMY is perfectionism, tho. Especially when Love Sea was said to have around three sponsors and the uncut version was aired on iQIYI? MMY also have had hit series and events to generate enough revenue and income, so I don't think it is fair to compare them to other indie production houses ((and indie productions have their own charm, and as far as the indie BLs I have watched goes β I've barely encountered a sound problem as bad as this β which begs the question why can't MMY fix something that even some of those really low budget BLs have no problem navigating)). Not to mention the controversies surrounding the Love Sea boxset and how a lot of fans were ripped off their money. There's no question about how unprofessional it all is. And my issue is with that, and with MMY. A lot of their shows did not get the efforts it deserved despite having a proper budget, and Love Sea might have been the biggest victim of it all is what I'm saying. My comment that Love Sea was a technical disaster is more of a dig at the MMY than at Love Sea itself. I'll always love Mut and Rak, but that doesn't mean I won't stop calling out MMY for being such a shitty production house. At least it worked this time, because this show is proof of how things are changing.
And I get what you are saying, I dropped ThamePo too, not really my style. But that doesn't erase the fact that it will always be hailed as a good production. It is an objectively good show. And I agree undiscovered gems deserve love and attention too, but some shows will stay undiscovered bc most people do not watch low quality and low budget productions β even if the story was really good or the acting was amazing. It is the sad truth. It is one of the reasons why indie house and art house productions never become mainstream :((
The "technical disaster" lol! Please elaborate on this, if you please. My work heart stopped here for a second.
Technical aspects do not exist in a vacuum, they affect the story and the actors' performances too. If I remember correctly, whenever fans complained about the lighting and the sound, MMY actors themselves have said that there is not much they can do about it, all they can do is act. Have that never made you feel sad? Have that never made you think about how much these actors have to compromise despite giving their best performances?
Now, I get not everyone is concerned about the technicalities, but that doesn't mean technicalities do not play a major role in the overall production and reception of a show. A vast majority of series that are successful are also applauded for the technicalities. I mean, if not for the technique, what would be the difference between a serie and a play? And why would there be categories of awards for Directors and Editors even in BL Award Shows? Hell, why do you think all the people below and above me are surprised that The Boy Next World seems like a good production? It's all in the technicalities, and even if you do not mind it, others do.
These are defining features of a serie, and if you're okay with subpar shows, good for you. But, for me, personally, I'd love to see the story and the actors' performances complimented and elevated with the help of technical aspects. I'd rather I can hear there voices clean and clear, and see their expressions without being randomly cut to another scene, or zoomed out. I wish the editing would suit the plot and the tone of the episode, fast paced where it needs to be so it won't feel like lagging or filler. But hey, that's just me! And I'll continue to be vocal because I'd like my favs to actually have good shows rather than be satisfied with low quality and rushed productions!!
The "technical disaster" lol! Please elaborate on this, if you please. My work heart stopped here for a second.
Sure, but do I really need to elaborate when there's already been enough discourse about the budget issues, the production being rushed, and the promotion being almost non-existent? Like, I'm more than glad to offer you my two cents on how the direction and cinematography was plain bad, how the editing was choppy and all over the place, how the colour grading (at places) felt like they slapped on a few cheap filters and called it a day, and how no amount of overpowering background music and sound effects are going to cover up the poor audio quality and sound mixing, and how FortPeat deserved so much better... but are you really here for that? I mean, if you already watched the show, it is pretty hard to miss how much they messed up with respect to the technicalities and production quality :/
I think this just might be the most visually stunning serie from Me Mind Y. After the technical disaster that was Love Sea, I really was not expecting the production quality to take a leap, so I was pleasantly surprised to see so much effort (especially with respect to direction, cinematography, colour grading, and editing) being put into this serie. It was refreshing to watch.
Yet my main issue with their productions still stands β the sound is horrible.
But I'm going to ignore it for this episode, just this episode, because it really was pretty to watch. LOVED THE COLOURS, LOVED THE FRAMES!!! ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOW THE VISUALS COMPLIMENT AND CARRY THE VIBE AND CONCEPT OF THE SHOW!! Also need to point out that each angle and frame is in such a way that it flaunts the actors' appearance. Really couldn't stop staring at Boss and Noeul, they looked so good!!!
As for the plot, for me, it feels slow. I felt like certain conversations were repetitive, going back and forth, but I guess it is an important part of exposition for the side characters, so I hope it all falls in place. All in all, it was a good pilot episode, it gave enough to keep me hooked and guessing. I'm excited for EP 2!!
omg this makes me so excited to read the novel, thanks for sharing these thoughts about what the drama adaptation…
they've made a lot of changes tbh BUT YES PLEASE PLEASE READ THE NOVEL!! i was staring blankly at my wall for three hours straight after i finished reading it. really quite the experience, 10/10 would recommend π«Άπ«Ά
((Please don't read this if you are planning on reading the book OR if you do not want to hear anything about the book and prefer the drama over the book))
I am a bit disappointed that quite a few of my favourite scenes from the book did not make it onto the screen. I feel like those were scenes that were essential in helping us understand Go Young's character, especially his relationship with his mother, and the depth of the pain inflicted on him by Hyung (that is, Yeong Su, that guy was a real asshole and they toned it down so much in the drama, they didn't even mention his past, the reason for the tattoo, the reason why he behaves a certain way, his political background, his beliefs, how much of a fucking hypocrite he actually was, and the scenes that juxtaposes the differences between Go Young and Hyung. Heck, they don't even properly explore the age/generation gap between the two. I know the drama is short on time, and visual media adaptations have a limitation to stay true to novels but still.. they omitted a lot of important nuances that caused a lot of people to misinterpret, or worse, not understand the impact Hyung had on Go Young).
In the novel, Go Young's character is something we cannot put into boxes or tropes. And his sense of humour and cynicism is the best part of his character, the whole novel even, and I don't think that has translated well onto the screen. Like, he had a unique narrative voice, a mixture of sassy and cynical. The Go Young we got on screen was more... hmmm, watered down. And as much as I loved, loved, LOVED the friends gang dynamics, their presence overshadowed the aspects of loneliness and isolation that Go Young experienced throughout the book (there was no one, except his mother, waiting for him after he woke up in the hospital bed, no one to take care of him after his mother's funeral, and no one was there to check in on him because he quit his job. I do welcome those changes with open arms because it lighten up the mood of the whole story, but I do not appreciate how it took away the weight/emphasis from the true loneliness that Go Young experienced. I also have some stuff I wanna say about the first boyfriend guy but I'll refrain because it'll just be me repeating how different that was from the book, so.. but I do believe that introducing K3's character as Nam Kyu negatively impacted Go Young's character development and completely derailed how one might perceive Go Young.
Overall, it is a good adaptation, but I have to accept that I enjoyed the drama more because I've read the book. Because of that, I could understand many details that I might have otherwise ignored while watching. And I keep seeing people asking what certain things meant and my first response is - oh that was explained better in the book... So i guess that does explain how the adaptation has its limitations, but so do all adaptations. And I do believe that with the unique narrative voice and non-linear narrative structure, the novel must have been a real pain to be adapted for the screen so I applaud the crew for the transformations they've done to make it enjoyable for visual media audience.
So, despite the flaws, a really good drama, so glad that it is getting so much love and attention and appreciation. Totally deserved!!
May I ask if this is related with this one https://kisskh.at/762529-reverse-with-me
Yup, it's in the same universe but has different characters.
Four and Wa are said to have two daughters. Reverse With Me follows the story of Karan, who is older daughter. Stuck With Me (it got licensed for adaptation yesterday), follows the story of Maitree, their second daughter.
the pornographer franchise & old fashion cupcake annnnd (!!!) mr. mitsuya's planned feeding MENTIONED??? aaaah…
I think MDL is the first website where I have not advertised it on my profile (mostly because I only seriously started using this account after getting into 4 Minutes), because if you go through any of my other socmed accounts, danyok is always there alsgdklkjdf
I like Cop characters in fiction. And I am someone who takes my separate fiction from reality stance quite seriously otherwise I don't think I'd be able to enjoy works like 2HA at all, haha. And I know separating reality and fiction is hard when it comes to a show like Not Me because it is Social Commentary, after all, which is why I will never defend Dan's character for what he has done. I perceive his character with his flaw, and I like to see him suffer dlkfkljgj not all ships have to be boiled down to black and white, soooo. AND!! I've attended one too many protests and have had to run for life to actually like the idea of going near any cops irl, lol. And I am a very political person, and a literature student on top of that - so, I know what I'm doing when I ship this ship, hehe. But yeah, I understand the people who do not like this ship. It's just that I don't understand the seething hate people have in them when they see someone shipping a certain ship.
the pornographer franchise & old fashion cupcake annnnd (!!!) mr. mitsuya's planned feeding MENTIONED??? aaaah…
LDSKJKJKJLKLJGD OKAY THAT'S SCARY BUT UH ITS DANYOK.
And people hate it, especially on twt. It was wild while the show was airing, and it hasn't gotten better over the years. And then the fights shifted from Not Me and Danyok stans to between FirstKhao and Gawin stans. Now, it is calm - or more like I distanced myself from the fandom, so I don't know what's going on. On twt, there is like.. only 13 - 15 people who are the resident danyok stans, and ofc, there are others who like it and some who are neutral, but a majority just hates the ship. Like, my friends were getting death threats over this ππ
being called cop apologist, cop fker.. and there were people who even called Not Me copaganda - LIKE WHERE?? IT CLEARLY SHOWS HOW CORRUPT THE SYSTEM IS AND YOU CANNOT EVEN FIX IT FROM INSIDE, WHICH IS WHAT DAN TRIED AND HE EVENTUALLY LEFT. Because that's how rotten the system is, and they're quite explicit in talking about it.. I don't understand how you can be that explicit and people would still call the show a copaganda? Ughhhhh.
AND ITS XUEXIAO DFKGKLDFJGLKDF when i tell you people hate all my favourite ships, i do mean it. The Novelist and Mood Indigo already have a bad rep amongst some stans, so there's that. Rest of the danmei stans hate 2HA because it is too problematic. And I can go on and on and on, hhaha. I've not known a peaceful day in any fandom, huhu.
Oh oh, I've read quite a few XiCheng fics, it was nice dlfdkgdklj but I was not that concerned about them because I was fighting for my life on the xuexiao side ππππ and for me, it's not just xuexiao.. but also songxue, and songxuexiao dkfgdlfjg AND THERE'S MINGXUE !! which is a rarepair, Nie Mingjue and Xue Yand dkhfgk there's a couple of fics on AO3, and lemme tell you, the vision really is visioning with that one!!!
the pornographer franchise & old fashion cupcake annnnd (!!!) mr. mitsuya's planned feeding MENTIONED??? aaaah…
Yeah, time zones are crazy!! And also I've been busy because it's vacation time because of a harvest festival season and there's so many relatives coming and going haha busy time of the year π€§π€§π€§
the pornographer franchise & old fashion cupcake annnnd (!!!) mr. mitsuya's planned feeding MENTIONED??? aaaah…
And tust me, you are not insane for feeling like this while reading 2HA,, in fact, I'll encourage you to be more unhinged π€ It's a really good book, smth that will stay with us for a long time, and I really hope you'll get to engage with it in the best way!! (Also please don't interact with the fandom - especially on twt, if you haven't finished reading the book π because the people on there can be annoying with their discourse, and there's spoilers everywhere.. but ofc, if you're okay with all that, then it's fine!!!)
Mo Ran is so precious.. Ah.. he deserves good things in life, seriously π₯Ή LIKE HE CAN SEEM VERY ANNOYING IN THE BEGINNING!! BUT!! ONCE WE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY GET TO KNOW HIM (sobbing noises intensify). Yeah, Mo Ran and Chu Wanning both are soooo precious.
AND BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!! IM SO HAPPY TO SEE SOMEONE WITH SUPERIOR TASTE READING 2HA!!! PLEASE TAKE ALL THE TIME YOU NEED TO READ AND FiNISH IT !!!
And about Yuwu and BAB.. Yuwu is actually the first novel in 2HAverse. The characters are of course different, but worldbuilding is a bit same.. so I think it could contain some spoilers for 2HA??? But also. If you think 2HA is angsty, Yuwu is the mother of 2HA. It is way more angsty-er !!!! And BAB.. my oh my.. I haven't finished reading it because no proper English tl was available. But I've read tilll like chapter 112 and I can tell you that it is really quite the ride. If people think 2HA is problematic... Then BAB is.. huhuhu... It is Age Gap too.. but the Age Gap is bigger and the younger guy is 100000x unhinged than Mo Ran. It is really different. Also modern setting. And you'll really need to pay attention to tags because BAB really is heavy.... I don't know if I'd recommend it or not π but you could checkout the summary and stuff, and see if you like it!! And read if you want to!! But yeah, those two are amazing novels because Meatbun is an amazing writer π₯Ίπ₯Ίπ₯Ίπ₯Ί
Hehe, it's all insanity but thank you π€§ I'll share if I write a fic I'm proud of π€§π€§ I'm working on smth right now, and when im done, I'll fr share it with you!!! πππ
And it's good you don't follow what goes on behind the scenes, because absolute madness. But yeah idk if this is the best place to talk about all that, haha. Anyways. Hope this show will be consistent in delivering good story, good acting, and overall a good quality production π€
And I get what you are saying, I dropped ThamePo too, not really my style. But that doesn't erase the fact that it will always be hailed as a good production. It is an objectively good show. And I agree undiscovered gems deserve love and attention too, but some shows will stay undiscovered bc most people do not watch low quality and low budget productions β even if the story was really good or the acting was amazing. It is the sad truth. It is one of the reasons why indie house and art house productions never become mainstream :((
Now, I get not everyone is concerned about the technicalities, but that doesn't mean technicalities do not play a major role in the overall production and reception of a show. A vast majority of series that are successful are also applauded for the technicalities. I mean, if not for the technique, what would be the difference between a serie and a play? And why would there be categories of awards for Directors and Editors even in BL Award Shows? Hell, why do you think all the people below and above me are surprised that The Boy Next World seems like a good production? It's all in the technicalities, and even if you do not mind it, others do.
These are defining features of a serie, and if you're okay with subpar shows, good for you. But, for me, personally, I'd love to see the story and the actors' performances complimented and elevated with the help of technical aspects. I'd rather I can hear there voices clean and clear, and see their expressions without being randomly cut to another scene, or zoomed out. I wish the editing would suit the plot and the tone of the episode, fast paced where it needs to be so it won't feel like lagging or filler. But hey, that's just me! And I'll continue to be vocal because I'd like my favs to actually have good shows rather than be satisfied with low quality and rushed productions!!
Yet my main issue with their productions still stands β the sound is horrible.
But I'm going to ignore it for this episode, just this episode, because it really was pretty to watch. LOVED THE COLOURS, LOVED THE FRAMES!!! ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOW THE VISUALS COMPLIMENT AND CARRY THE VIBE AND CONCEPT OF THE SHOW!! Also need to point out that each angle and frame is in such a way that it flaunts the actors' appearance. Really couldn't stop staring at Boss and Noeul, they looked so good!!!
As for the plot, for me, it feels slow. I felt like certain conversations were repetitive, going back and forth, but I guess it is an important part of exposition for the side characters, so I hope it all falls in place. All in all, it was a good pilot episode, it gave enough to keep me hooked and guessing. I'm excited for EP 2!!
((Please don't read this if you are planning on reading the book OR if you do not want to hear anything about the book and prefer the drama over the book))
I am a bit disappointed that quite a few of my favourite scenes from the book did not make it onto the screen. I feel like those were scenes that were essential in helping us understand Go Young's character, especially his relationship with his mother, and the depth of the pain inflicted on him by Hyung (that is, Yeong Su, that guy was a real asshole and they toned it down so much in the drama, they didn't even mention his past, the reason for the tattoo, the reason why he behaves a certain way, his political background, his beliefs, how much of a fucking hypocrite he actually was, and the scenes that juxtaposes the differences between Go Young and Hyung. Heck, they don't even properly explore the age/generation gap between the two. I know the drama is short on time, and visual media adaptations have a limitation to stay true to novels but still.. they omitted a lot of important nuances that caused a lot of people to misinterpret, or worse, not understand the impact Hyung had on Go Young).
In the novel, Go Young's character is something we cannot put into boxes or tropes. And his sense of humour and cynicism is the best part of his character, the whole novel even, and I don't think that has translated well onto the screen. Like, he had a unique narrative voice, a mixture of sassy and cynical. The Go Young we got on screen was more... hmmm, watered down. And as much as I loved, loved, LOVED the friends gang dynamics, their presence overshadowed the aspects of loneliness and isolation that Go Young experienced throughout the book (there was no one, except his mother, waiting for him after he woke up in the hospital bed, no one to take care of him after his mother's funeral, and no one was there to check in on him because he quit his job. I do welcome those changes with open arms because it lighten up the mood of the whole story, but I do not appreciate how it took away the weight/emphasis from the true loneliness that Go Young experienced. I also have some stuff I wanna say about the first boyfriend guy but I'll refrain because it'll just be me repeating how different that was from the book, so.. but I do believe that introducing K3's character as Nam Kyu negatively impacted Go Young's character development and completely derailed how one might perceive Go Young.
Overall, it is a good adaptation, but I have to accept that I enjoyed the drama more because I've read the book. Because of that, I could understand many details that I might have otherwise ignored while watching. And I keep seeing people asking what certain things meant and my first response is - oh that was explained better in the book... So i guess that does explain how the adaptation has its limitations, but so do all adaptations. And I do believe that with the unique narrative voice and non-linear narrative structure, the novel must have been a real pain to be adapted for the screen so I applaud the crew for the transformations they've done to make it enjoyable for visual media audience.
So, despite the flaws, a really good drama, so glad that it is getting so much love and attention and appreciation. Totally deserved!!
https://x.com/DisneyPlusJP/status/1704616424290029798?t=7cHCzPnCoDTO3DsUoYL8hQ&s=19
Four and Wa are said to have two daughters. Reverse With Me follows the story of Karan, who is older daughter. Stuck With Me (it got licensed for adaptation yesterday), follows the story of Maitree, their second daughter.
I like Cop characters in fiction. And I am someone who takes my separate fiction from reality stance quite seriously otherwise I don't think I'd be able to enjoy works like 2HA at all, haha. And I know separating reality and fiction is hard when it comes to a show like Not Me because it is Social Commentary, after all, which is why I will never defend Dan's character for what he has done. I perceive his character with his flaw, and I like to see him suffer dlkfkljgj not all ships have to be boiled down to black and white, soooo. AND!! I've attended one too many protests and have had to run for life to actually like the idea of going near any cops irl, lol. And I am a very political person, and a literature student on top of that - so, I know what I'm doing when I ship this ship, hehe. But yeah, I understand the people who do not like this ship. It's just that I don't understand the seething hate people have in them when they see someone shipping a certain ship.
AND PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME REPLYING NO RUSH!!
And people hate it, especially on twt. It was wild while the show was airing, and it hasn't gotten better over the years. And then the fights shifted from Not Me and Danyok stans to between FirstKhao and Gawin stans. Now, it is calm - or more like I distanced myself from the fandom, so I don't know what's going on. On twt, there is like.. only 13 - 15 people who are the resident danyok stans, and ofc, there are others who like it and some who are neutral, but a majority just hates the ship. Like, my friends were getting death threats over this ππ
being called cop apologist, cop fker.. and there were people who even called Not Me copaganda - LIKE WHERE?? IT CLEARLY SHOWS HOW CORRUPT THE SYSTEM IS AND YOU CANNOT EVEN FIX IT FROM INSIDE, WHICH IS WHAT DAN TRIED AND HE EVENTUALLY LEFT. Because that's how rotten the system is, and they're quite explicit in talking about it.. I don't understand how you can be that explicit and people would still call the show a copaganda? Ughhhhh.
AND ITS XUEXIAO DFKGKLDFJGLKDF when i tell you people hate all my favourite ships, i do mean it. The Novelist and Mood Indigo already have a bad rep amongst some stans, so there's that. Rest of the danmei stans hate 2HA because it is too problematic. And I can go on and on and on, hhaha. I've not known a peaceful day in any fandom, huhu.
Oh oh, I've read quite a few XiCheng fics, it was nice dlfdkgdklj but I was not that concerned about them because I was fighting for my life on the xuexiao side ππππ and for me, it's not just xuexiao.. but also songxue, and songxuexiao dkfgdlfjg AND THERE'S MINGXUE !! which is a rarepair, Nie Mingjue and Xue Yand dkhfgk there's a couple of fics on AO3, and lemme tell you, the vision really is visioning with that one!!!
Mo Ran is so precious.. Ah.. he deserves good things in life, seriously π₯Ή LIKE HE CAN SEEM VERY ANNOYING IN THE BEGINNING!! BUT!! ONCE WE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY GET TO KNOW HIM (sobbing noises intensify). Yeah, Mo Ran and Chu Wanning both are soooo precious.
AND BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!! IM SO HAPPY TO SEE SOMEONE WITH SUPERIOR TASTE READING 2HA!!! PLEASE TAKE ALL THE TIME YOU NEED TO READ AND FiNISH IT !!!
And about Yuwu and BAB.. Yuwu is actually the first novel in 2HAverse. The characters are of course different, but worldbuilding is a bit same.. so I think it could contain some spoilers for 2HA??? But also. If you think 2HA is angsty, Yuwu is the mother of 2HA. It is way more angsty-er !!!! And BAB.. my oh my.. I haven't finished reading it because no proper English tl was available. But I've read tilll like chapter 112 and I can tell you that it is really quite the ride. If people think 2HA is problematic... Then BAB is.. huhuhu... It is Age Gap too.. but the Age Gap is bigger and the younger guy is 100000x unhinged than Mo Ran. It is really different. Also modern setting. And you'll really need to pay attention to tags because BAB really is heavy.... I don't know if I'd recommend it or not π but you could checkout the summary and stuff, and see if you like it!! And read if you want to!! But yeah, those two are amazing novels because Meatbun is an amazing writer π₯Ίπ₯Ίπ₯Ίπ₯Ί
Hehe, it's all insanity but thank you π€§ I'll share if I write a fic I'm proud of π€§π€§ I'm working on smth right now, and when im done, I'll fr share it with you!!! πππ