I wish I could like a gay Jdrama for once but I can't with the nature and the quality of shows like this one.…
It’s okay to not like certain tropes, but it is not that serious. The show is fictional just like Game of Thrones, Naruto, Dragon Ball Z. This is also not a social documentary on Japanese culture and society and how you disapprove of their norms, so I don’t know what you were expecting. Also, I don’t know about Japanese, but the script in English will lose some weight because anything translated has certain words and things that get lost in translation. Acting is good enough to be an enjoyable experience. As for me, I rather watch a toxic relationship or complex characters that either pay the price or have character development than a show where the two mains are overly nice, have the minimum character growth, and there’s no real conflict. That’s just boring, and unrealistic. Utsukushii Kare, is nothing compared to other shows I’ve seen, in this series the characters actually learn their lessons once they realize their mistakes.
You could either A. Scroll through all the comments and you will find many good explanations behind Kiyoi’s…
Everyone has different perspectives. So those other comments are coming from a different point of view, and our perspectives are rooted and shaped based on our culture and environment so I’m not expecting you have the same opinion as me or other commenters, but I suggested reading them because at the end of the day it is good to hear from other points of views different from our own.
I’ve read the transcript to the Drama CD and it isn’t much different from the series, so far, and with the limited amount of episodes, the series has been able to catch important parts of their story. However, we still haven’t seen Kiyoi’s perspective and that in my opinion is important to a story. Because we only have seen so far Hira’s perspective and from Hira’s perspective, Kiyoi is this confident person who bosses Hira around but what about Kiyoi’s perspective of Hira? How does he view himself? Is he really as confident as Hira is showing us through his pov? If this was a murder crime and we only got one person’s pov it wouldn’t be enough to convict someone because every witness perspective is important when coming into a concrete conclusion. Without spoiling anything from the CD drama, all I could tell you is that both characters, Hira and Kiyoi are flawed people that met high school and are experiencing those types of feelings for the first time especially ones that in society is still not fully accepted, and with that information I just gave you, we’ll just have to wait and see if they are able to have a conversation about their relationship and maybe find a balance or if they’ll go separate ways.
I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on Kiyoi’s pov, I just hope the series executes it well considering we have two episodes left for that.
On the whole S&M thing, I don’t think the series is romanticizing anything, on the contrary (but I won’t go into details coz I might accidentally spoil). It is fine if that power dynamic/kink don’t appeal to you, but just know that there are real life people who enjoy this type of power dynamic in the bedroom, you don’t have to understand it but I think is enough with respecting it.
I guess if you’re into massive doses of bullying and masochism, this is for you. ‘People are complicated’…
Are you 10 years old? If you are, you should not be watching this show because clearly you still don’t get it. What’s wrong with masochism? It is a literal kink that some people get off to, and if you didn’t know by now Hira is a masochist who enjoys serving the man he loves, you see it as bullying but one of the first things my man Hira said in ep 4 was that he wished he could get ON HIS KNEES for Kiyoi. Kiyoi didn’t come with a gun to his head telling him how he should feel and that he HAS to kneel for him. Hira thought of that HIMSELF. In episode 1, he also said he ENJOYED being bossed around by Kiyoi (not his friends) so in his own way he consented to Kiyoi. So let’s not try to kink shame, everyone has kinks that they are into and if you don’t like it then there’s nothing you can do to change it.
I hope someone who's a genius at analysis will write a masterpiece of a comment that lets me see a sympathetic…
You could either A. Scroll through all the comments and you will find many good explanations behind Kiyoi’s character from people that have read the novel. Specifically the @IrokiMaori comment
Was hoping that Hira would be free from Kiyoi so we could see him happy for a change. This series has been cruel…
Kiyoi and Hira have a D/s and service!Top (Hira) and Bossy/Bratty!Bottom (Kiyoi) dynamic, it ain’t gonna be some vanilla relationship like Kieta Hatsukoi. Additionally, we haven’t even gotten Kiyoi’s point of view in the drama (which we will get next episode) so I think it’s too soon to judge. I’d also like to discuss that Kiyoi is a tsundere character is literally in the tags, he is just like this in the novel but of course written more in depth. Hira isn’t a saint either, in the novel he is perverted, possessive, and creepy (kind of).
Disagree on Koyama being a better boyfriend, Hira’s kinky ass likes being bossed around. Koyama seems too vanilla and soft for that. Although, I can acknowledge that Koyama would be a good partner, just not for Hira. And I can also acknowledge that there are some negative aspects to the main couple's relationship that is what the second novel explores, a balance between the two characters.
and @cdrama as someone who watches this kdrama but also loves BL and Chinese BL (Wuxia and Xianxia dramas) I’m looking at this like O__O can we not argue? it’s fine not to enjoy something.
This web drama was made by a Kpop group called TREASURE, for their fans, they ain’t veteran actors. For idols their acting is pretty decent, actually. Doyoung, Jeongwoo and Junhwan being one of the best ones.
@ajummasunbae Honestly, I’m one of those, like at first I shipped her with Moon taerang but then their chemistry just vanished after the husband regained conscience and then he sort of started to have redemption and character development to the point he became likeable to me… and then out of nowhere I wanted him to be endgame. I don’t know if it was the actor or the script that made me and the netizens feel different about the character but in the beginning he was a total asshat, I hated him.
I’ve read the transcript to the Drama CD and it isn’t much different from the series, so far, and with the limited amount of episodes, the series has been able to catch important parts of their story. However, we still haven’t seen Kiyoi’s perspective and that in my opinion is important to a story. Because we only have seen so far Hira’s perspective and from Hira’s perspective, Kiyoi is this confident person who bosses Hira around but what about Kiyoi’s perspective of Hira? How does he view himself? Is he really as confident as Hira is showing us through his pov? If this was a murder crime and we only got one person’s pov it wouldn’t be enough to convict someone because every witness perspective is important when coming into a concrete conclusion. Without spoiling anything from the CD drama, all I could tell you is that both characters, Hira and Kiyoi are flawed people that met high school and are experiencing those types of feelings for the first time especially ones that in society is still not fully accepted, and with that information I just gave you, we’ll just have to wait and see if they are able to have a conversation about their relationship and maybe find a balance or if they’ll go separate ways.
I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on Kiyoi’s pov, I just hope the series executes it well considering we have two episodes left for that.
On the whole S&M thing, I don’t think the series is romanticizing anything, on the contrary (but I won’t go into details coz I might accidentally spoil). It is fine if that power dynamic/kink don’t appeal to you, but just know that there are real life people who enjoy this type of power dynamic in the bedroom, you don’t have to understand it but I think is enough with respecting it.
Or B. Read the novel or listen to the CD Drama.
Choose one and help yourself.
Disagree on Koyama being a better boyfriend, Hira’s kinky ass likes being bossed around. Koyama seems too vanilla and soft for that. Although, I can acknowledge that Koyama would be a good partner, just not for Hira. And I can also acknowledge that there are some negative aspects to the main couple's relationship that is what the second novel explores, a balance between the two characters.