Rach loves Xieer

"Don't put words in people's mouth, please.”

If I remember correctly this is what you said, "It's also interesting how you got fixated on the topic of parenting but completely ignored my point of someone going through something similar in their lives, and watching this and thinking that the situation they are in is absolutely fine.”

and

"And yes, I do think a show must think of the viewers and the targeted audience. So, in some ways, it is the show's fault."

when I commented on how "Creators doesn’t owe anyone anything, and they have the freedom to express themselves through their art, saying that this is problematic and shouldn’t be done is problematic itself because it is promoting censorship…We shouldn’t be implementing this type of mindset that creators need to take into consideration "young soul with no basic morals set up yet" when their parents or guardian have the responsibility to make sure they don’t watch it.”

and you come here telling me, that I am putting words in your mouth when I’m just responding to your statement, that you wrote yourself blaming the show and saying that they have to take into consideration the viewers triggers because "someone going through something similar in their lives," …. please that is just comical. The sad part you don’t even realize that what you just wrote there implied that you believe shows should be censored to take in consideration other people’s trauma.

"it only makes you sound as an angry idiot yourself, insecure in your own ideas.”

Wow, I applaud you for thinking I’m angry instead of being direct, insecure? nah I think I have remained firm and consistent on my statements :p

"Your arguments become weak and don't hold any value whatsoever. And learn to take criticism and accept other opinions”

I think you’re projecting here lol

Oh, you went there and I LOVE THAT! I live in America (wasn’t born here though) but I hate how the people in this country think everything revolves around them and how everyone else has to accommodate everything for their comfort, I just roll my eyes all the time when I see or hear stupidity like that.

I love beauty and the beast hahaha and yes, definitely toxic but barely anyone points it out. Just another day of hypocrisy ig

AMEN, and those works are some of the most iconic and interesting ones that are remembered throughout history.

LGBTQ individuals who try to whitewash these dramas are brainwashed by the bullshit takes they see on platforms like twitter and TikTok, you know how sad it is to see members of your own community so against diversity in LGBTQ media (problematic or not) and act like fiction = reality because this TikTok with 100,000 likes by some minor or adult said so, with no research studies to even back it up, “oh, it must be true because it make sense” like oh, it make sense but is that actually true? does it apply to everyone or just one group of people? where are the sources? In psychology, there is something you’ll learn if you ever take a course, and that is that humans think and speak based on how they feel about something not actually facts (common sense right? but some people don’t realize this). I’ve read some studies on kinks, tropes, and other problematic things on fiction and reality, and it really isn’t just one side to the spectrum (one of my thesis was literally about how some women have rape fantasies… I know, scandalous, but I researched the hell out of that topic and found multiple reasons and some of them are pretty obvious XD)

Yes, I remember reading your comment and I agree. Meanwhile, you may not be triggered by this show, someone else that also went through a similar experience might, and that’s okay if they don’t want to continue watching that’s why they have the freedom to drop it rather than blaming others and yet continue watching it. Puurimi should see your comment rather than continue trying to argue nonsense.

"As I’ve said on many other boards, straight dramas have far more messed up individuals that are in very toxic relationships, but no one is shouting to stop these shows from being broadcast. It’s really homophobic to insist that BL’s not be aired because of the depiction of what I consider to be very mildly flawed individuals.”

OMG OMG OMG I forgot to add this to my rant because YESSSSS!!! REMEMBER 365 DAYS? 50 SHADES OF GRAY?!! Like do y’all remember the millions of women that SIMP for these toxic men in the movies? one literally kidnap a woman and then she falls in love with him, although she’s being held captive, and BARELY ANYONE was crying about it. Like, yeah, they’d mention it but they never cried about it or police others on how toxic the male lead was because “OH HE SO HOT”

Why do people want to censor LGBTQ media so much? Straight ones do whatever they want and get away with doing all sorts of storylines. That’s literally homophobic to not want to see diversity in the media created by queer people and allies to the point some people wanna censor them.

I could care less if you like the show or not, or whether or not you find their relationship toxic or not, but your logic make no sense whatsoever because you support the censorship of art and justifying it because some people might get triggered by it when they can simply turn it off. At first, I could see a bit of where you were coming from but as you kept commenting you just kept digging your own grave especially with “what ifs” rather than facts. As one of the comments above said, If we take in mind everyone’s triggers in this planet there would be no content to make a good drama, it’d be all be unrealistic and bland. Don’t worry about me I’m living stress free with my psychology degree, just think your idiotic take is comical.

there were probably some people that were triggered by GoT but like any normal human they most likely dropped the show instead of complaining and attacking other people who enjoy it. It might also because GoT is a western show and as far as I know, most people including westerners know that GoT is a fantasy show and none of what’s happening is real therefore they don’t complain about it ut when it comes to content made by people of color, in this case, asians, they suddenly forget what fiction means and that they have the freedom to stop watching. I think is ridiculous if as a westerner you don’t put the same energy on western shows as you do when it comes to complaining about asian dramas with similar themes just because you don’t watch western shows anymore, and police others on why is problematic but don’t go policing westerners for watching that western show for being problematic.

A certain user from yesterday replied to me “what if someone goes through the similar experience” in context, they’re referring to utsukare being problematic in their opinion because not just the "young souls with no back up morals yet” are being exposed to an adult tv show aired in Japan at 1 AM, but people who has experienced similar things too. Let me tell you something, the creators are NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR TRIGGERS. That’s like saying celebrities have to be role models for people’s children and they have to censor themselves in music just to conform your child, LIKE NO HONEY, YOU are responsible for YOUR OWN CHILD, YOU ARE THEIR ROLE MODEL BECAUSE YOU ARE RAISING THEM, NOT THE CELEBRITY. Anyways, back to what I originally saying, they’re not responsible for your triggers because one of the first things shows or any type of content do is give trigger warnings and even if it doesn’t if you see that the way the storyline is going is definitely making you uncomfortable, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO CLICK OFF. If you DECIDE to continue watching it despite knowing that it TRIGGERS you, THAT IS ON YOU, NOT THE CREATOR because the creators/producers aren’t forcing you to put yourself through a situation where you get upset about something you experienced. So get your head out of your ass because the world does not revolve around you and your triggers, as harsh as it may sound. Art is about expressing yourself and the worst thing you could do to an artist is censoring their work, and for y’all westerners who have the privilege to watch any show you want without restriction but are out here wishing for asian content creators to be censored, I have one thing to say, F*CK YOU. I just want you to know if you believe in censorship, you are a selfish and inconsiderate person because in countries like China, BL authors are always at the risk of being imprisoned just for writing BL novels.

I didn’t read all of your comments so I didn’t even see your other points. However, I still stand by what I said. If someone goes through something similar in their lives and it triggers them, they should probably stop watching it. That is why trigger warnings exist, for example, violent rape triggers me and I decide to check out a movie that has it and it warns me… I have the option to click out. Whether I continue watching or not is my decision and if I decide to watch till the end despite triggering me, I do not have the right to complain about it because I made that decision. Therefore they’re not responsible for your triggers. Also, creators don’t owe you or me anything, as I said all it does is promote censorship like in countries like China and Russia, did you know they said similar things to what you said before banning LGBTQ content? “We have have to watch out for the young souls with no back up morals yet, before they are exposed to content from the bad gays” This type of mindset is dangerous. One more thing, this whole discourse reminds me of the people who believe singers have to be role models to their kids which is pretty stupid in my opinion.

I’m done with my rant, you disagree? Fine, let’s leave it at that, I won’t reply anymore.

OMG I’M EXICTED AND HAPPY IT WILL BE 30 MINS

LMAO yes, and then lecture others on how they believe Koyama is the better option for Hira and hating Hira for not choosing him, though they knew he never liked Koyama that way and that Kiyoi and Hira are literally in the cover of the show.

Agree, I don’t like the promotion of censorship. For example, Chinese BL fans and content creators already suffer because of the censorship at the risk of being jailed. That was a really bad take.

I really appreciate this comment because this is so true, the show did a fantastic job at having people form their opinions so strongly. I think I remember you from another comment here XD

I am having some time trying to understand how it is problematic, it is not the show’s fault nor the creators if a "young soul with no basic morals set up yet" comes across this show. Creators doesn’t owe anyone anything, and they have the freedom to express themselves through their art, saying that this is problematic and shouldn’t be done is problematic itself because it is promoting censorship. We have the privilege to view as many kind of shows we want to watch and pick what to watch, meanwhile countries like China don’t have that privilege and to be able to watch some content including BL they have to use VPN. We shouldn’t be implementing this type of mindset that creators need to take into consideration "young soul with no basic morals set up yet" when their parents or guardian have the responsibility to make sure they don’t watch it.

You’re welcome and then again, I disagree in some things and I’m going to explain why.

“The plot, the characters, and that also includes the overall message of the series, which i find inherently problematic.”
I do see why you say people justify this (this is not what I disagree with though). What I disagree with is the message of the series being problematic because we have yet to see the finale so there isn’t a concrete message yet. For example, what if in the finale both Kiyoi and Hira realize their mistakes and have the proper conversation they haven’t had yet? (I’ll come back to this point later, when I speak in another point you made)

“I think the fact the you need to read the novel in order to understand the show, or understand characters better, directly implies that the show isn't that good then.”

The show has actually manage to follow the first novel with accuracy (mostly), except for some things in episode 5, like I mentioned. I would want you to keep in mind this show, it is just based on Novel 1, not 2 & 3, so we won’t see them being that healthy couple but we’ll see them get together after realizing their flaws, in which I believe will happen next episode.

“ I still see the plot as still too simplistic, not addressing the issues that would've been interesting and refreshing to address, and hence rather problematic.”

This is the thing though, the bit I told you about what was supposed to happen in episode is the surface of the plot. When I said Kiyoi starts developing when he starts living with Hira is that he finally starts to see things for what it was. He realized that he didn’t actually want Hira to worship him, he just wanted Hira to love him for who he is. He also realized that he was too self-centered around Hira and regretted being rude to him since he acknowledged that it is because of his behavior that Hira doesn’t see that he loves him. Kiyoi also tried his best to have Hira understand this, so in a way this is Kiyoi’s redemption arc (there are more details but I can’t remember everything off the top of my head). Meanwhile, Hira’s character development revolves around realizing that him worshipping Kiyoi isn’t exactly healthy or what Kiyoi wants (there are still more details but again I do’t have the time bc I’m writing this at work lol)

This is what I meant in my first paragraph, that until we have the finale we won’t know the message they’ll be trying to send because it has to be the same message as the novel, like “do not worship your partner” kind of thing (if I wasn’t at work I could have thought of a better way of putting this) however, I do agree that one episode left for development isn’t exactly enough which is why I am curious as to how they are going to pull this off. Maybe the production crew had limitations? Things they had to censor depending on the channel it was aired (someone that knows about the channel policy regarding BL content lmk)

I see your point, however, there a few things I kind of disagree or don’t understand. What are you trying to imply when you say there are people that are “justifying or admiring,” justifying and admiring, what? The plot? The toxicity? The characters? All of the above?

Meanwhile, I can see what you’re saying, most people that are dedicated writing in this page have already read the novel or listened to the CD Drama, so they already know what happens in terms of the plot or character development. To the audience that like Kiyoi or Hira (mostly Kiyoi) have already seen character development, you guys haven’t.

Utsukushii Kare is just novel 1 out of 3, which focuses on Hira and Kiyoi’s flawed behavior from the moment they met till the moment they get together, so obviously, it isn’t technically a healthy relationship from the get go.

In novel 2 & 3, you’d may be surprised to hear but Hira and Kiyoi have a healthy relationship. This is why I really want a season two, because I think people deserve to see the healthy side of it where you can see how both of them grew as individuals and as a couple.

Oh, and one more thing I wanna point out, in episode 5 some things were changed so we didn’t get Kiyoi and Hira living together where is one of the part we see Kiyoi developing, so I am hoping next episode, that we get that development for both characters like in the novel (this is just me hoping the show does the novel justice in the finale).

definitely great acting from all of the actors, but my fav moment was Kiyoi side eyeing Koyama and smirking lol

Koyama is a nice guy (I prefer him in the CD Drama) but the way his stans take project themselves is a NO. Koyama is too good for them.

They say Kiyoi is bad, but I’ve seen worse in other BLs especially those pretty raunchy mature BLs, but they dumb asses overlook the actual toxic behavior of those characters because of the sex. I bet you that if this drama had a raunchy sex scene in episode 1, they would have overlooked it.