mo ne: i don't feel sorry for you or your daughter. i don't intend to ask for forgiveness (episode 8, 59:10)
i don't feel sorry for mo ne. mo ne is a character of moral bankruptcy and heinous acts. her journey began with reckless promiscuity and unplanned pregnancy. despite k's insistence on termination, she carried the child to term and delivered it in school. she complicated an already fraught situation and deflected the attention onto an unsuspecting da mi, falsely accusing her of the promiscuity and pregnancy she was responsible for. the false accusations escalated to national news, their shockwaves reverberating to da mi's adoptive father, a man of devotion and love. falsely accused of grooming and impregnating his adoptive daughter, he lost his job. his reputation and livelihood were stripped away by the poisonous lies of mo ne and jin mo
da mi threatened to unveil the truth, but her quest for justice was met with opposition. mo ne struck her with a rock to silence her, setting into motion a tragic chain of events that culminated in da mi's untimely demise. even in season 2, where da mi's birth mother (ra hee) tried to make amends for her past misdeeds, mo ne teamed up with the nefarious chan seong to thwart her quest for justice. she's unrepentant and unremorseful, exhibiting a callous disregard for the feelings of others
ra hee demonstrated a level of self-awareness and remorse that set her apart from the other six. in many ways, she was a better person. she had the basic human decency to acknowledge the harm she caused. she knew she deserved to be punished. the departure of this complex motherly figure is a loss to the richness and depth of the drama. it's weighing heavily on my mind and giving me a headache
ensemble casts having always existed is irrelevant. a gay couple has been erased in favor of a "straight" one…
a bit of gayness sure beats a no-gay zone any day. every bit counts, but settling for gay bits and crumbs sends the message that it's okay to water down gay stories for the comfort of those who can't handle a full serving of gayness. it will rob us of the authentic, nuanced gay stories that deserve to be told
you're right that adaptations sometimes disappoint. we can turn the frown upside down and pave the way for better, more faithful adaptations by speaking up and discussing these issues. so, let's keep these conversations going!
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i have the ultimate candidate: song joong ki! he'd make a beautiful "girlfriend/wife" for lee jong suk
@Vincenzo Cassanoi is always on the lookout for the perfect match for male leads. they are obsessed with "romance." being the helpful and cheeky person that i am, i suggested an unforgettable match; song joong ki, the man gracing op's profile picture
song joong ki x lee jong suk would have been the ultimate power couple, don't you think?
whispers tell me that producers removed the second gay couple from the adaptation and added a "straight" one. if the whispers prove true, they've lost a fan (me). the heart wants what it wants, and mine wants the romance between han sun woo and yoo dahm
yoo dahm is a russian (korean) nesting doll of exquisite beauty, possessing layers of complexity that invite exploration. outwardly, he projects an air of reserve, aloofness, and distance. beneath the surface, his heart is a treasure chest waiting to be unlocked by a true, eternal, tender love, and who better to find the hidden treasure than the honest sun woo?
in chapter 56, sun woo confesses, "i can't hide that i like something," that something being yoo dahm. endowed with patience, sun woo unlocks the guarded heart of his yoo dahm. this bond is vital and interweaves with the lives of the first gay couple, hee su and seung won. the second gay couple holds greater significance than the fake ji yu x chan young "couple" that's absent from the manhwa
chapter 17 proudly presents seung won with two moms open about their lesbian relationship. what’s korea going to do? will they wave their conservative wand and erase the refreshing family dynamic from the adaptation, too? come on, korea, you're a wealthy, developed first-world country. i had high expectations for you
chapter 42 reveals that seung won didn't/doesn't "like" ji yu. the "dating advice" charade was a clever guise to spend time with his true love, hee su. setting ji yu up with the shallow playboy chan young reflects a society ill at ease with the thought of a single, independent woman. it's laughably pathetic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Y'all acting like drama adaptation don't change the story of a manhwa often is crazy. would i have wished that…
typically, adaptations of "straight" storylines don't insert a gay couple into the story. the reverse—inserting a "straight" couple into gay storylines—more readily happens. the double standard is what makes the situation problematic
All that "they erased the 2nd mlm couple" stuff is crazy to me when in the manhwa it's clearly shown that the…
"It's pretty clear that obviously they made an het couple to appeal to the general public more"
that's the problem. creative liberty should respect the original content. meaningful progress comes from advocating for authentic, respectful representation, not just any scraps of straightwashed visibility that fits a conservative belief system. by adapting bl stories as they are, the audience will become more familiar with gay relationships and experiences
the manhwa featured two gay couples. swapping a gay couple for a "straight" one sidelines and reduces gay representation.…
considering the absence of a "straight" couple in the manhwa, it's inconsistent to introduce one in the adaptation and use the late development of the second gay couple's story as an excuse for minimizing or erasing its presence
Idk why there are a lot of people complaining abt how the het couple will have more screentime than the bl one,…
i don't care that you don't care. i care. the decision to add a "straight" storyline will reduce the screen time of the bl couple. imagine a delicious cake called "screen time" that's divided into slices for different storylines
the producers added a "straight" storyline. our cake will be cut differently
bl couple: 40% (uh oh, someone took a bite!) "straight" storyline: 30% side characters' stories: 10% fluff & filler scenes: 20% (no change, gotta have fluff)
the bl couple's screen time will get sliced down from a glorious 70% to a meager 40%. who stole the bl icing? the straightwashing! bringing bl into mainstream media can (and should) be achieved without sacrificing the genre's prominence and authenticity
Honestly i've been seeing so many people talking abt how heesu is not the main characters and stuff like that…
the manhwa featured two gay couples. swapping a gay couple for a "straight" one sidelines and reduces gay representation. it sets a worrying precedent for future adaptations to erase gay storylines
pick a different battle. defending gay erasure is like trying to sell a car with no wheels. it's not going anywhere good
Geez guys, all that was rumored was that there would be main het couple. They didn't say anywhere that the het…
ensemble casts having always existed is irrelevant. a gay couple has been erased in favor of a "straight" one to appease homophobic audiences
"... this is SO common when it comes to manhwa adaptations"
this is incorrect. "straight" storylines breeze through the adaptation process unscathed. they aren't censored or replaced with gay storylines. it's the adaptations of gay storylines that encounter censorship and alterations. they are forced to wear a metaphorical "straight" jacket (we call it straightwashing)
"... but straight supporting couples are also so common in BL"
most "straight" storylines don't include a single supporting gay couple. bl and gl should be accorded the same respect and autonomy. they are a creative sanctuary wherein love between two men or two women flourishes. "straight" storylines encroaching upon this sanctuary, disrupting the flow and misappropriating valuable time that could have been dedicated to developing the gay couples' relationships have a detrimental impact on gay/lesbian genres' authenticity and the stories they aim to tell
"straightness" is an uninvited guest at our party. it's a common occurrence to let it weasel its way into the party, but i refuse to tolerate its presence or its habit of hogging the spotlight
the prevalence of actors playing "straight" roles and rarely exploring diverse gay or non-romantic roles contradicts…
pyramid game, beyond evil, prison playbook, navillera, etc, are non-romantic dramas. comparing bl dramas to non-romantic dramas is an unfair apples-to-oranges comparison. bl is a subset of romance focusing on romantic relationships between two men. non-romantic dramas get to explore a wide variety of themes and stories not centered around romantic relationships
mainstream dramas have a long history and a large money-hungry industry behind them. bl dramas are relatively new. the censorship and backlash they faced/face limited their growth and variety. time will help. in the future, bl will merge with a wide variety of themes and stories. growth and variety won't be possible when you're encouraging actors to abandon the bl genre
the prevalence of actors playing "straight" roles and rarely exploring diverse gay or non-romantic roles contradicts…
the actors working across various genres of thriller, comedy, slice-of-life, etc, predominantly play "straight" roles. the repetition of "straight" roles does not constitute true diversity. it fails to represent the breadth of human experiences and relationships
i'm a gay person, and i believe the production of bl is relegated to lower budgets due to a confluence of factors, not the least of which is people's discomfort with seeing non-straight relationships on screen. budgetary limitations are not an intrinsic characteristic of the bl genre. they are a byproduct of societal attitudes and biases
it's unlikely that mainstream media will experience an uptick in featuring gay romance as a central narrative device. to make gay-centered stories mainstream and secure high budgets, we should focus on normalizing and promoting bl, the genre dedicated to gay stories. with the normalization of bl, the demand for varied stories and roles within the genre will grow
i don't feel sorry for mo ne. mo ne is a character of moral bankruptcy and heinous acts. her journey began with reckless promiscuity and unplanned pregnancy. despite k's insistence on termination, she carried the child to term and delivered it in school. she complicated an already fraught situation and deflected the attention onto an unsuspecting da mi, falsely accusing her of the promiscuity and pregnancy she was responsible for. the false accusations escalated to national news, their shockwaves reverberating to da mi's adoptive father, a man of devotion and love. falsely accused of grooming and impregnating his adoptive daughter, he lost his job. his reputation and livelihood were stripped away by the poisonous lies of mo ne and jin mo
da mi threatened to unveil the truth, but her quest for justice was met with opposition. mo ne struck her with a rock to silence her, setting into motion a tragic chain of events that culminated in da mi's untimely demise. even in season 2, where da mi's birth mother (ra hee) tried to make amends for her past misdeeds, mo ne teamed up with the nefarious chan seong to thwart her quest for justice. she's unrepentant and unremorseful, exhibiting a callous disregard for the feelings of others
ra hee demonstrated a level of self-awareness and remorse that set her apart from the other six. in many ways, she was a better person. she had the basic human decency to acknowledge the harm she caused. she knew she deserved to be punished. the departure of this complex motherly figure is a loss to the richness and depth of the drama. it's weighing heavily on my mind and giving me a headache
you're right that adaptations sometimes disappoint. we can turn the frown upside down and pave the way for better, more faithful adaptations by speaking up and discussing these issues. so, let's keep these conversations going!
not at all! i'm just fulfilling my sacred duty to spread cheeky chaos wherever i go
"So you're lazy and unambitious?"
i prefer the term "highly selective" in my pursuits. i'm "dedicated" to napping, and keeping the world on its toes
song joong ki x lee jong suk would have been the ultimate power couple, don't you think?
yoo dahm is a russian (korean) nesting doll of exquisite beauty, possessing layers of complexity that invite exploration. outwardly, he projects an air of reserve, aloofness, and distance. beneath the surface, his heart is a treasure chest waiting to be unlocked by a true, eternal, tender love, and who better to find the hidden treasure than the honest sun woo?
in chapter 56, sun woo confesses, "i can't hide that i like something," that something being yoo dahm. endowed with patience, sun woo unlocks the guarded heart of his yoo dahm. this bond is vital and interweaves with the lives of the first gay couple, hee su and seung won. the second gay couple holds greater significance than the fake ji yu x chan young "couple" that's absent from the manhwa
chapter 17 proudly presents seung won with two moms open about their lesbian relationship. what’s korea going to do? will they wave their conservative wand and erase the refreshing family dynamic from the adaptation, too? come on, korea, you're a wealthy, developed first-world country. i had high expectations for you
chapter 42 reveals that seung won didn't/doesn't "like" ji yu. the "dating advice" charade was a clever guise to spend time with his true love, hee su. setting ji yu up with the shallow playboy chan young reflects a society ill at ease with the thought of a single, independent woman. it's laughably pathetic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
you can't say for sure that the "straight" storyline won't sideline the gay couple when you haven't watched it yet
that's the problem. creative liberty should respect the original content. meaningful progress comes from advocating for authentic, respectful representation, not just any scraps of straightwashed visibility that fits a conservative belief system. by adapting bl stories as they are, the audience will become more familiar with gay relationships and experiences
bl couple: 70%
side characters' stories: 10%
fluff & filler scenes: 20%
the producers added a "straight" storyline. our cake will be cut differently
bl couple: 40% (uh oh, someone took a bite!)
"straight" storyline: 30%
side characters' stories: 10%
fluff & filler scenes: 20% (no change, gotta have fluff)
the bl couple's screen time will get sliced down from a glorious 70% to a meager 40%. who stole the bl icing? the straightwashing! bringing bl into mainstream media can (and should) be achieved without sacrificing the genre's prominence and authenticity
pick a different battle. defending gay erasure is like trying to sell a car with no wheels. it's not going anywhere good
"... this is SO common when it comes to manhwa adaptations"
this is incorrect. "straight" storylines breeze through the adaptation process unscathed. they aren't censored or replaced with gay storylines. it's the adaptations of gay storylines that encounter censorship and alterations. they are forced to wear a metaphorical "straight" jacket (we call it straightwashing)
"... but straight supporting couples are also so common in BL"
most "straight" storylines don't include a single supporting gay couple. bl and gl should be accorded the same respect and autonomy. they are a creative sanctuary wherein love between two men or two women flourishes. "straight" storylines encroaching upon this sanctuary, disrupting the flow and misappropriating valuable time that could have been dedicated to developing the gay couples' relationships have a detrimental impact on gay/lesbian genres' authenticity and the stories they aim to tell
"straightness" is an uninvited guest at our party. it's a common occurrence to let it weasel its way into the party, but i refuse to tolerate its presence or its habit of hogging the spotlight
mainstream dramas have a long history and a large money-hungry industry behind them. bl dramas are relatively new. the censorship and backlash they faced/face limited their growth and variety. time will help. in the future, bl will merge with a wide variety of themes and stories. growth and variety won't be possible when you're encouraging actors to abandon the bl genre
i'm a gay person, and i believe the production of bl is relegated to lower budgets due to a confluence of factors, not the least of which is people's discomfort with seeing non-straight relationships on screen. budgetary limitations are not an intrinsic characteristic of the bl genre. they are a byproduct of societal attitudes and biases
it's unlikely that mainstream media will experience an uptick in featuring gay romance as a central narrative device. to make gay-centered stories mainstream and secure high budgets, we should focus on normalizing and promoting bl, the genre dedicated to gay stories. with the normalization of bl, the demand for varied stories and roles within the genre will grow