to the people put off by a 17-year-old dating a 22-year-old, hear me out. zong yi is an independent 17-year-old. he works, earns a reliable income to support himself, keeps his space clean and organized, and manages his emotions in high-stress situations. he has the time to be an adult and a top student. he's emotionally mature enough to date or engage in sexual activity with a 22-year-old man. waiting a year or two wouldn't change this. he's an exception
zong yi will reconnect with ze rui 4 years later. he will be 21? and ready to settle down
man, i hated jom so much in episode 3. seriously, i understand that he was heartbroken, but how could he tell…
jom didn't want to tell on kaew at first. he remained silent and refused to answer the questions, until kaew's master yelled at him and threatened to punish him and khamtip
"why are you silent?! what is wrong with you?! answer my questions! if you don't, i'll punish both of you!" (episode 3, 13:58)
he had to answer the questions. he couldn't deny the truth that kaew met up with a man. khamtip would have been accused of lying and punished. what did he do? he told part of the whole truth, adding that kaew might not have had an affair
"i saw kaew with a man, but i don't know who he is. i don't know if he's her lover. i saw from afar" (episode 3, 16:04)
his answer implied that ohm could have been anyone; a brother, friend, "lover." that was the best he could do. slap robert the rapist. don't slap jom for someone else's actions. he didn't deserve it
The problem is the producer (or the streaming app?) trying to seduce (click bait) BL fans. They have two posters…
it's not an issue. we are treating man-man interactions the same way society treats man-woman interactions. it's a response to your issues. society doesn't understand that "friendships" between men and women are possible. 99% of literature, movies, dramas, comics, games, music videos and celebrity "dating" rumors peddle the myth that boys and girls, men and women, aren't "just friends." you're offended that the tables have turned in small corners of the fandom. you enjoy a witch hunt as long as it's our witches being hunted. the next time you call gay ships or bls an issue, please look in the mirror. nothing that you despise in our gay ships or bls is absent from your or everyone else's "straight" ships or media
let's not forget this is fiction. fiction is open to interpretation. the producers' original interpretation and intention shouldn't dictate how the audience perceives fictional characters. we are free to see the male characters as "just friends" or lovers. we aren't misunderstanding them by seeing them as lovers. we are deriving different messages from their interactions
I know the comment will be like, this drama will be good if BL.... and goverment china..... banned bla bla bla…
anything must be bl or gl
it's not weird to criticize chinese media for obscuring or straightwashing the overt gay representation of danmei source materials and coding gay relationships as "brotherly." this anti-gay censorship is disrespectful. it tones down the gay aspects of characters to make them more "acceptable" to a homophobic audience
what is that trailer? why is it sad? this is a fantasy! it doesn't have to be 100% realistic and sad! iโm an unhappy person. why would i spend more time plunged into sadness?
happy endings offer me a temporary escape. they open a door, show the sunlight outside, and give me a place to go. it's a place where love can last, and fences can be mended. a place where a couple (e.g. jom and yai) can bank on hope in a bankrupt world. angst with happy endings are a more delicate balance between fantasy and reality than angst with sad endings
i'm invested in the main couple. jom disappearing will feel thicker than a knife's blade on my skin. it will cut wounds so deep only infinite time can ease the shocking pain that will manifest from it. don't do this to me...
"did i do something to you last night? i was afraid that the alcohol made me do something" (teaser)
whoever said yai is a walking green flag, you're right. yai respects jom's emotional and physical boundaries. he checks in with jomโs comfort level during every activity. jom is pushing through the tough times. he deserves a yai: a humble, faithful man who supports him and pays attention to his needs
yai and jom's relationship is a symphony of love, where every note resonates with mutual respect and understanding. the beauty of these two men isn't just in their faces. it's reflected in the caring that they lovingly give each other. this beauty grows with the passing episodes
the other parts of the teaser scared me. i'll tell myself that yai won't let anything happen to jom
"have you ever had feelings for someone you shouldn't have?" (episode 4, 32:32)
mei has feelings for yai's sister? tell me she does, or i'll throw my chair at the screen! i've been shipping mei and ueangphueng since they locked eyes and mei held ueangphueng's hand to comfort her in episode 3. episode 4's bed scene was more endearing and loving: https://imgur.com/a/T9Dy0bH
i imagine two love stories playing out. jom (a servant) x yai (his master). and mei (a servant) x yai's sister (her master). the latter would be the lesbian version of the former
ueangphueng should divorce robert the rapist and marry mei. ming will be fine. he'll move away from the idea that being with mei is his one path to happiness. he can have james
this, "desire" and "couple or not" shouldn't see the light of day due to their scandalous content. i won't be okay with conservative countries like mainland china, japan, thailand or korea releasing "omegaverse" content when actual gay content is banned, censored or rarely acknowledged in the mainstream. for crying out loud, get cancelled
Didn't she literally say that it used to also be said to guys in the past ? Maybe old fashion but I don't think…
don't mention it! i'm thankful you spoke up and invited us to discuss the issue further. we should take feedback and suggestions from gay men seriously!
the kisses were mesmerizing to watch. the past 7 episodes, i yelled at my screen for the male characters to get out of their heads and tell each other how they feel. at last, their love stories unfolded and we saw the ~magic~ happen in front of our own eyes
Didn't she literally say that it used to also be said to guys in the past ? Maybe old fashion but I don't think…
language changes. the meaning of old words drifts, and morphology develops or decays
์ธ๋ (unnie) was used by men and women in the past. korean people who supported the use of sino-korean words changed the system
nowadays, calling a man ์ธ๋ (unnie) is like calling something "awesome" awful, because "awesome" and "awful" used to be synonymous. it's not just old-fashioned. it's a barrier to effective communication
jun mo (jun), the more feminine partner, was called ์ธ๋ (unnie) and hyun woo (jun), the more masculine partner, was called ์ค๋น (oppa). ms. fiancรฉ saw jun mo (jun) as the "woman" in the relationship. some gay men are rightfully offended by it
Why is this comment still here? Does this site just not have moderators anymore?
"... while they create and maintain the societies you live in, invent everything you use in your day to day life, created ALL of the members of your family for ALL of history"
you/they are the enemy. using your/their tools against you/them to maximize our strengths and defeat you/them is smart
gay people didn't ask you/them to maintain societies. you/they don't deserve respect for something we didn't ask you/them to do
"Plenty of people give respect when they are given none in return"
you don't give gay people respect when you're given none in return. that's uncivilized behavior
"... what happened to, due onto others with you wish would be done unto yourself?"
that's our line. treat gay people how you want to be treated. you don't respect us. does that mean you don't want to be respected?
"... we kick you out of the nations"
kick us out, i'm waiting
"... a Gay man having sex with a Chimp"
you're eager to cast blame on a single person
hiv entered the human population through "bushmeat" hunting. the predominant hiv-1 form hasn't been shown to be transmitted directly from monkeys to humans
"... do not use protection"
that's why regular std testing is essential
"It is not the most accurate"
it is
"... sorry i guess latin is too difficult for you"
how many english speakers learned latin? didn't they use l1 (english) in the learning process? or search for equivalents in their l1 (english)? you believe "homosexual" is the target-language equivalent of "sodomite." why is that an accurate translation, and not the other several centuries of translations?
"It is not an opinion"
it's an opinion, and it's estimated that 50% of conceptions end in spontaneous abortion. most losses occur at the time of implantation. that's your "god's plan." your "god" is a "murderer" and you're against "murder?"
@Silence,i definitely believe that ohm deserved 2 be betrayed by jom in the past,just like ohm betrayed jom in…
"Even if given opportunity, it isn't our place to mete out punishments we believe someone deserves"
jom was affected by ohm's actions. it's his place to punish or get back at ohm
"It might be karma to Jom to fall in love with ohm in the future because of what he did in the past"
jom reacted to what ohm did to him. he's not a robot. he would feel frustrated
why isn't ohm punished? didn't you say that getting back at someone created more issues for you? if that's karma, ohm wishing poor fortune on jom or getting back at jom in the future should create more issues for ohm
"Ohm was always going to go to America and knock up that women"
can't we say the same about jom? jom was always going to tell on kaew. it's destiny. why is destiny punishing him and not ohm?
"I just don't like how jom told on kaew"she's a cheater. i wouldn't wish rape on her, or any woman, but it's not…
people are blame-shifting and displacing responsibility to jom
kaew chose to marry the master for monetary gain, and meet up with her secret lover
"i came to live in this house, because i wanted a more comfortable life" (episode 3, 1:40)
the master threatened jom and asked him what he saw. what was he supposed to do? lie to the master and get in trouble? kaew has noone and nothing else to blame but herself
@Silence,i definitely believe that ohm deserved 2 be betrayed by jom in the past,just like ohm betrayed jom in…
sight is overrated. an eye for an eye and we all become pirates. pirates are cool
"Were I Jom in that situation"
we aren't jom. it's not our place to tell him how to feel
what you send out, comes back. what you sow, you reap. what you give, you get. what did ohm give jom? disrespect. he will get disrespect. ohm wasted jom's precious time and kept him waiting. he went behind jom's back, slept with kaew, and lied to jom for 2 years. knowing that he's not ohm's only lover didn't hurt as much as knowing that he's ohm's forgotten side dish
zong yi will reconnect with ze rui 4 years later. he will be 21? and ready to settle down
"why are you silent?! what is wrong with you?! answer my questions! if you don't, i'll punish both of you!" (episode 3, 13:58)
he had to answer the questions. he couldn't deny the truth that kaew met up with a man. khamtip would have been accused of lying and punished. what did he do? he told part of the whole truth, adding that kaew might not have had an affair
"i saw kaew with a man, but i don't know who he is. i don't know if he's her lover. i saw from afar" (episode 3, 16:04)
his answer implied that ohm could have been anyone; a brother, friend, "lover." that was the best he could do. slap robert the rapist. don't slap jom for someone else's actions. he didn't deserve it
let's not forget this is fiction. fiction is open to interpretation. the producers' original interpretation and intention shouldn't dictate how the audience perceives fictional characters. we are free to see the male characters as "just friends" or lovers. we aren't misunderstanding them by seeing them as lovers. we are deriving different messages from their interactions
it's not weird to criticize chinese media for obscuring or straightwashing the overt gay representation of danmei source materials and coding gay relationships as "brotherly." this anti-gay censorship is disrespectful. it tones down the gay aspects of characters to make them more "acceptable" to a homophobic audience
what is that trailer? why is it sad? this is a fantasy! it doesn't have to be 100% realistic and sad! iโm an unhappy person. why would i spend more time plunged into sadness?
happy endings offer me a temporary escape. they open a door, show the sunlight outside, and give me a place to go. it's a place where love can last, and fences can be mended. a place where a couple (e.g. jom and yai) can bank on hope in a bankrupt world. angst with happy endings are a more delicate balance between fantasy and reality than angst with sad endings
i'm invested in the main couple. jom disappearing will feel thicker than a knife's blade on my skin. it will cut wounds so deep only infinite time can ease the shocking pain that will manifest from it. don't do this to me...
i'm stealing this ๐๐
whoever said yai is a walking green flag, you're right. yai respects jom's emotional and physical boundaries. he checks in with jomโs comfort level during every activity. jom is pushing through the tough times. he deserves a yai: a humble, faithful man who supports him and pays attention to his needs
yai and jom's relationship is a symphony of love, where every note resonates with mutual respect and understanding. the beauty of these two men isn't just in their faces. it's reflected in the caring that they lovingly give each other. this beauty grows with the passing episodes
the other parts of the teaser scared me. i'll tell myself that yai won't let anything happen to jom
mei has feelings for yai's sister? tell me she does, or i'll throw my chair at the screen! i've been shipping mei and ueangphueng since they locked eyes and mei held ueangphueng's hand to comfort her in episode 3. episode 4's bed scene was more endearing and loving: https://imgur.com/a/T9Dy0bH
i imagine two love stories playing out. jom (a servant) x yai (his master). and mei (a servant) x yai's sister (her master). the latter would be the lesbian version of the former
ueangphueng should divorce robert the rapist and marry mei. ming will be fine. he'll move away from the idea that being with mei is his one path to happiness. he can have james
์ธ๋ (unnie) was used by men and women in the past. korean people who supported the use of sino-korean words changed the system
nowadays, calling a man ์ธ๋ (unnie) is like calling something "awesome" awful, because "awesome" and "awful" used to be synonymous. it's not just old-fashioned. it's a barrier to effective communication
jun mo (jun), the more feminine partner, was called ์ธ๋ (unnie) and hyun woo (jun), the more masculine partner, was called ์ค๋น (oppa). ms. fiancรฉ saw jun mo (jun) as the "woman" in the relationship. some gay men are rightfully offended by it
you/they are the enemy. using your/their tools against you/them to maximize our strengths and defeat you/them is smart
gay people didn't ask you/them to maintain societies. you/they don't deserve respect for something we didn't ask you/them to do
"Plenty of people give respect when they are given none in return"
you don't give gay people respect when you're given none in return. that's uncivilized behavior
"... what happened to, due onto others with you wish would be done unto yourself?"
that's our line. treat gay people how you want to be treated. you don't respect us. does that mean you don't want to be respected?
"... we kick you out of the nations"
kick us out, i'm waiting
"... a Gay man having sex with a Chimp"
you're eager to cast blame on a single person
hiv entered the human population through "bushmeat" hunting. the predominant hiv-1 form hasn't been shown to be transmitted directly from monkeys to humans
"... do not use protection"
that's why regular std testing is essential
"It is not the most accurate"
it is
"... sorry i guess latin is too difficult for you"
how many english speakers learned latin? didn't they use l1 (english) in the learning process? or search for equivalents in their l1 (english)? you believe "homosexual" is the target-language equivalent of "sodomite." why is that an accurate translation, and not the other several centuries of translations?
"It is not an opinion"
it's an opinion, and it's estimated that 50% of conceptions end in spontaneous abortion. most losses occur at the time of implantation. that's your "god's plan." your "god" is a "murderer" and you're against "murder?"
jom was affected by ohm's actions. it's his place to punish or get back at ohm
"It might be karma to Jom to fall in love with ohm in the future because of what he did in the past"
jom reacted to what ohm did to him. he's not a robot. he would feel frustrated
why isn't ohm punished? didn't you say that getting back at someone created more issues for you? if that's karma, ohm wishing poor fortune on jom or getting back at jom in the future should create more issues for ohm
"Ohm was always going to go to America and knock up that women"
can't we say the same about jom? jom was always going to tell on kaew. it's destiny. why is destiny punishing him and not ohm?
kaew chose to marry the master for monetary gain, and meet up with her secret lover
"i came to live in this house, because i wanted a more comfortable life" (episode 3, 1:40)
the master threatened jom and asked him what he saw. what was he supposed to do? lie to the master and get in trouble? kaew has noone and nothing else to blame but herself
"Were I Jom in that situation"
we aren't jom. it's not our place to tell him how to feel
what you send out, comes back. what you sow, you reap. what you give, you get. what did ohm give jom? disrespect. he will get disrespect. ohm wasted jom's precious time and kept him waiting. he went behind jom's back, slept with kaew, and lied to jom for 2 years. knowing that he's not ohm's only lover didn't hurt as much as knowing that he's ohm's forgotten side dish
jom doesn't owe ohm respect or forgiveness