Amastris Dratwka

This thought process makes no sense. Even Xia Qing's friend points out facts: Both Xia Qing & Yu Tu are selfish people who were never meant to be together.

1) Why did Yu Tu turn down Qiao Jing Jing?
Yu Tu has been blunt and clear with everyone from the start ~ If he gets involved with anyone he wants someone who can be independent on their own and not require ALL of his time/attention due to the career choice he is interested in pursuing. He straight up told Jing Jing, when she asked, that he wants someone who can work with him and support him towards his dreams and goals.

2) How is having a life long goal/dream you're adamant about, to the point you'd DOUBLE major to please your parent's desire you do something else, somehow not respectful but trashy? Did he lie, mislead, or mischaracterize himself regarding this?

3) Jing Jing asked him out and set a goal to meet Yu Tu's ideal girlfriend. Xia Qing didn't confess to Yu Tu until 2 years into college AFTER his parents FORCED him to major in Finance thinking she could latch onto his parents' pressuring to make him give up aerospace and stick to Finance.... not a SECOND earlier. She never changed a thing about herself to meet Yu Tu even halfway. She wanted to force him to give up his dreams so she could have a TROPHY husband.

2) Yu Tu believed Xia Qing understood and respected his dream to go into aerospace. It was Xia Qing that gave him an ULTIMATUM to quit or she'd dump him, so he agreed for her to dump him after only 1 year of dating, i.e Senior year of college. ...she only tried to get together again with him AFTER he indicated he was quitting aerospace to go into Finace... and when she meet him BOTH times, she insulted him for his choices.

Tbh, the person who was trashy was Xia Qing.

Yu Tu isn't really even selfish. He has his ideals. He knows exactly what he wants and he'll compromise for those who matter, i.e. his mom/dad doing Finance to appease them while STILL majoring in aerospace engineering. He's not obligated to date or marry someone that doesn't fit his ideal. In fact, no one is, and that's why couples break up after getting to fully know each other. None of any of this is trashy. It's idealistic, but not trashy.

There has been a LOT of discussion surrounding how much time is spent per episode on the mobile app MOBA game ‘𝐻𝑜𝑛𝑜𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝐾𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠’ 𝑎.𝑘.𝑎. 𝑜𝑢𝑡𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑎 ‘𝐴𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑎 𝑜𝑓 𝑉𝑎𝑙𝑜𝑟’ within the drama.

I have provided you with the 𝒆𝒙𝒂𝒄𝒕 𝒂𝒎𝒐𝒖𝒏𝒕 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒊𝒎𝒆 spent on simply 𝑨𝑵𝒀 cast member even 𝒅𝒊𝒔𝒄𝒖𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒏𝒈 the mobile app, 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 the actual showing of 𝒈𝒂𝒎𝒆𝒑𝒍𝒂𝒚, at anytime during the last 26 episodes, 𝒊𝒏𝒄𝒍𝒖𝒅𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝑻𝑰𝑴𝑬𝑺𝑻𝑨𝑴𝑷𝑺, so that 𝑛𝑒𝑤 𝑣𝑖𝑒𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑠 coming here for that information will know 𝒆𝒙𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒍𝒚 what to expect on that subject matter.

I have posted it in the '𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝐴𝑟𝑒 𝑀𝑦 𝐺𝑙𝑜𝑟𝑦' 𝑫𝒊𝒔𝒄𝒖𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 section:

https://kisskh.at/discussions/you-are-my-glory/64545-

Ahhh... Thank you so much for all the insight. I appreciate the effort to inform of these things. Until now, I honestly didn't know or realize. I was still seeing things from another cultural perspective. ;)

Bottom line though, for the originally written novel, this chapter has 2 versions. In the original version this is the ONLY kiss they have when it ends before the epilogues. The readers kinda complained so she rewrote it to include the kiss scene at the middle school. But then, everyone turned around and said they preferred the original version better.

I was worried she'd listen to those sentiments for the drama version but I'm glad she didn't and included the middle school part in the drama.

In the novel, every time Yu Tu is stressed, he goes out on a balcony or outside to smoke a cigarette.
In the drama, every time Yu Tu is stressed, he goes out on a balcony or outside just to stargaze.

I realize now that, drama Yu Tu is much healthier and poetically romantic than novel Yu Tu. 🤗🤩🥰😁

It really is interesting the cultural differences and how we view and categorize things. This conversation enlightened me, and I'm glad I asked. I would have continued being dumb to these ideas. Now I know. lol. ;)

Yeah, this has been actually a really interesting and refreshing conversation. I appreciate the enlightenment about Chinese drama terminology.

I started watching Asian dramas, even though my 2nd language is Japanese, went to HS in Japan, and worked for a Japanese corporation, from watching Taiwanese drama versions of Japanese manga adaptations. I then found South Korean drama. I didn't start watching C-dramas until much later, mainly due to, in the early days, the bad dubbing and CGI. I would literally show my kids the poor CGI and laugh because it reminded my of the old Godzilla movies we used to watch. But I think starting around 2014-15, when 'Boss & Me' hit the top of my Fav drama list, that I actually really started to pay attention and watch C-dramas and think they had equal quality. Over the last half decade there's been a lot of improvement.

Anyway, in Western culture we don't use the term "Idol" for any genre. "Idol" shows are just, you know, youth dramas put out be the "Disney" channel or something like that. They tend to be aired on specific cable channels and time of day, like "Ater-school Drama". I think we just know automatically by the topic of the drama, plus the production company and cast involved what its content is, so the terminology isn't used in the USA. That means my knowledge of the term is based in the Asian dramas I first watched. Taiwanese basically use the same terminology as Koreans. In Korea, an idol drama is a youth drama specifically made for and that includes an idol from a boy or girl group. If an idol was able to get cast in a 'sageuk', they're not calling it an 'idol drama'. It's simply an historical. When an idol is cast in a makjang, they're not calling it an 'idol drama'. It's simply a melodrama. When Kim Soo Hyun is cast in Dream High, he's in an 'Idol Drama'. But when he's cast in 'Moon Embracing the Sun' its still a sageuk; 'My Love from Another Star' is still a fantasy rom-com; & 'It's Okay to Not Be Okay' is still just a romanctic drama. My frame of reference is more based on this and I've been applying it to all Asian dramas. But now I realize that's not right and the Chinese viewers and their picky style of referencing dramas has more sway on what Chinese dramas are called than just literary or film production company's list of genres. I get that now.

After our discussion later on, I actually went on chinesemov-dot-com and looked up the current 2021 "Idol Dramas" that are listed there, and it's clear, that merely a pure love story, that appeal to women in general, seem to be the main reference. In the USA, we have the Hallmark Channel, we also have things like "Harlequin Romance novels" etc. In the USA, those wouldn't be referred to as "Youth/Idol" just because women like them. They're all just categorized as "Romance", so being raised by this mindset makes this idea of women's romance "idol" a bit harder to follow especially after discovering the term through Korean dramas. lol

I used chinesemov website to check out Yang Yang and Reba's body of work for all their specfic dramas. These are how their dramas are categorized:

𝒀𝒂𝒏𝒈𝒀𝒂𝒏𝒈:
𝐚) 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚, 𝐑𝐨𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞:The Dream of Red Mansions; Flower Pinellia; Tiny Times; Love 020
𝐛) 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚, 𝐅𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐲: Raise the Red Lantern; Together
𝐜) 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚, 𝐅𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐬𝐲: I Am Your Bleating Phone; Martial Universe1 & 2
𝐝) 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚, 𝐖𝐚𝐫: The War Does Not Believe in Tears; Special Forces
𝐞) 𝐀𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐀𝐝𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞, 𝐌𝐲𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐲: The Four; The Lost Tomb; The Chronicles of Town Called Jian; Just Test the World
𝐟) 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚, 𝐇𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲: Legend of Goddess Luo
𝐠) 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚: Ultimate Conquest
𝐡) 𝐈𝐝𝐨𝐥, 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚: Youth Melody; Whirlwind Girl; The King's Avatar; You Are My Glory

𝑹𝒆𝒃𝒂:
𝐚) 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚, 𝐑𝐨𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞: Cosmetology High; Sound of the Desert, Hot Girls 2; The Ladder of Love; The King's Woman; The Long Ballad; Legend of Anle
𝐛) 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚, 𝐅𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐬𝐲: Swords of Legends; Backlight Love; Eternal Love; The Flame's Daughter; Eternal Love of Dream; Dragon and Tiger 5 Worlds; The Blue Whisper
𝐜) 𝐀𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐀𝐝𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞, 𝐌𝐲𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐲: The Door
𝐝) 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚, 𝐇𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲: Ban Shu Legend
𝐞) 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚: Microblog Time Love; Princess Huai Yu
𝐟) 𝐈𝐝𝐨𝐥, 𝐃𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐚:Sweet Dreams; Love Designer; Diamond Lover; Pretty Li Hui Zhen; You Are My Glory

Tbh, the only dramas they categorized as "Idol" on each actor's list that I have watched are 'Love Designer', 'Diamond Lover' [unwillingly]; & 'You Are My Glory'. I've mainly watched these two in things other than that category, so, I guess that's why I didn't consider them "idol" actors or their dramas "idol dramas".... but now I've been enlightened to the fact that this is what this drama is categorized as in China. Thank you for all your clarification. It's interesting the cultural difference even with different Asian countries. ;)

Your comment made me so interested that I ended up researching and reading some excerpts from the book ‘Television in Post-reform China: Serial dramas, confucian leadership and the global television market’ by Ying Zhu. I think the clarification there is better.

Based on this author who traces the genres going back to the mid-80s and discussing how the trendy/idol/pure love dramas originated in Japan and were imported to Taiwan, and then South Korea develop the trend and Post-reform China picked up on it. There’s a lot of context about consumerism etc but that’s divergent.

I think the key take away is that China’s “trendy” dramas fall into 2 categories: 1) “Pink Drama” that cater to professional women in their 30s, & 2) “Idol Drama” that appeals to college students and even high school kids and are meant to compete with Taiwan and Korea’s own “Idol” dramas.

So, based on this, and considered the specific age, context, and issues surrounding the main leads characters having to do with being 30, I suspected this is more a “Pink Drama” than an “Idol” drama. The fact they had to work many scenes to get past censors means, I don’t think China wants youth high school and college kids to be all into this. Now FIYS, yes.. but even with the explanation, I still couldn’t wrap my mind around calling THIS drama a Youth/Idol drama. lol. ;)

Interesting.

So, Chinese place the difference on youth vs adult, and/or childish romance. However, in that context they don’t think this drama is ‘adult” enough to not be considered “idol’ even without an actual idol. I’m guessing due to the added context of gaming? Poor Gu Man has her drama and it’s context referred to as “idol’ instead of a true serious drama merely because the lead actors are considered young and popular, even if they’re not traditional idols. =/ Poor Reba & YY. Too bad all 3 are not considered serious enough to have dropped the label “idol”.

I’ll just look at it as, anything the CCP thinks international fans will like or topics they’re not wholly approving of are “idol”, regardless of whether there’s an idol in it or not. Too bad they don’t think aerospace is a serious enough topic, =/ Thanks for the explanation though. :)

I’m sorry if I came across as wanting you to correct your terminology. I’m not trying to dictate to you. I’m legit just trying to understand why the term is used, since, you’re right, many people use it like this. I’m not trying to call you out. I’m just asking a question. Sorry, if I upset you.

I wasn't being rude, I legit questioned why it would be called an idol drama. I legit asking what I'm missing here because I don't get the terminology. How is that rude? I said "people" because you're not the only one to refer to it as such...

But if simple romance=idol, I'm still not getting the terminology. What does "idol" have to do with romance genre if it doesn't include an actual "idol". No, seriously, it makes no sense to me... not being rude, just saying, that terminology and my understanding of "idol" is legit, an "idol" is included.. If the romance novel isn't based on an idol why is the adaptation of a romance novel make it an "idol" adaptation>

Again, I just don't get how a drama without any idols merely because it's a romance is an idol drama. So, why is "romance" drama, in China, refer to as "idol drama" rather than "rom-com" or "romance" drama"??? What does an idol have to do with it? Can a non-romance drama be an "idol" drama, or are all romance dramas simply Idol dramas and that's it? I'm utterly confused.

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Again, they killed me... this is my millionth time being dead.
@0:45 Reba does this INCREBILY cute aegyo while sitting on YangYang's lap... and his reaction is just priceless....
I really just can't with this two... no, seriously I.... CAN..... NOT.... lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL85rNRsgH0

I'm not getting where people are referring to this as an "Idol" drama. Gu Man's not writing "Idol" dramas. This is simply the adaptation of her novel, not created for some particular celebrity. The co-stars are just actors playing a modern drama based on a novel. They are not pop/idol stars.

My idea of an Idol drama is where a popular pop singer, or "Idol" is in a drama, usually created for them to debut into acting. Back in the day, that'd be like when Aaron Yan did dramas with Tia Li or Puff Kuo, of Dream Girls. Current examples would be Zhai Xiao Wen, and Cheng Xiao in 'Falling Into Your Smile' or He Luo Luo in 'Love Cross'.

By using the standard of most popular actor to refer to an "Idol" drama almost every C-Drama would be one. Would you call 'Legend of Fei' an "Idol" drama since it has popular actors Wang Yibo and Zhao Li Ying? Or 'Go Go Squid' an 'Idol' drama because it is adapted from a novel and has popular actors Andy Yang, and Li Xian? I don't think so. Reba and Yang Yang are just popular actors like them in a novel adaptation. So, I don't think this should be referred to as an "Idol" drama. What am I missing here???

I believe it should be after the final episode is released in general. So, despite MDL using the Fast Track date of August 16th as the final, it should be August 23rd, for EP. 31-32.

It's doing about 100m views ~every 9hrs. At that rate it will get another 800m views by Sunday which means it likely should go over 3B views by Sunday. ;)

2.21B views now. This pace is not slowing down, folks.

For Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ngame.allstar.eu&hl=en_US&gl=US

For Apple: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/arena-of-valor/id1150318642

I was saying a couple days ago that the pace of the views is around 100m every 8-9 hours. I also agreed that I felt once all the non-vip/fast track episodes are aired it should slowdown, and also during the early morning when people should be sleeping.

It's been about 21 hours, it's Thursday @ 3PM and the views are at 2.13B. That's ~140M views in that time frame. So, a bit of a slowdown, but not as much as I suspected. I really think it's gonna hit 3B by the weekend.

The bts of the bed kiss scene... every time I think they cannot kill me further.... I find I'm even more dead than I was the last time I watched a bts. *sigh*

https://share.api.weibo.cn/share/243080108.html?weibo_id=4669359617739160

I swear, Yu Tu & Qiao Jing Jing's texting, driving together, and dates outside and at home are so freaking realistic. The things they say and do are like the kinds of things we all say and do with our romantic partner.

I just love this drama for how it portrays everything so simply, clearly, and without all that trope-y bullshit you see in 98% of all Chinese dramas. I'm gonna keep saying it over and over, Gu Man is a freaking treasure we should all cherish!!