AndrewSky123

Exactly, in a show this heavy, that spotlights so much pain and injustice, to end on a happy note would have given so many young struggling viewers hope, and would have shown the older generation that some gay love stories do end happily. After all he was going through, giving Nut a little happiness in the end would have been so much better than showing that everything he went through was pointless: he is losing his mother slowly, he lost his true love and can’t truly move on, his selfish current boyfriend is using the very house the love of his life died in and is having to settle for the jerk who abandoned him for 10 years.

Sigh, what were they even thinking.

How could i not see a sentient, living beeing ,traped in a prison of cotton having to watch the man he loves spend his life with the man he was extremly jelous and unsecure of, as anything other than torture. It is actualy shocking anyone can see it as anything but.

As for thye last part there is a difference between ”all 3 parts involved are fine with it” and ”all 3 parts have no other choice, and have to live their life knowing full well they are just settling for what is available”.

Honestly, this ending is worst for Tarn, so i can not see how his fans are fine with him just beeing Tofus replacement, when he knows if Tofu ever came back he would be dumped in seconds. Spending your life with someone who dreams of someone else when he is with you is not rly romantic material, but to each their own.

When in a 24+ hour show, your „main love interest” is present for less than 3 hours total while your „disposable toy only meant to bring them toghether” is in 90%+ of the time you as a show have a major problem.

Also if this is the story they wanted to tell, ok, i can understand it, i might even like it, but then why on earth would they have Tofu and Nut become romantic and sleep together. The ending would have worked IF they kept it platonic.

And the extra episodes would not have helped if they hapened after Tofus death, it should have at the minimum increased Tarns screen time by atleast a few hours (and change him chosing a bunch of brances over Nut for 10 years).

Thanks, I honestly had a laugh. I suggest therapy and anger management btw. A few cute fluffy BLs you seem to dislike so much should help toning it down.

Someone stating their opinion that something you loved has major flaws should not (to a normal person) be a personal attack. I am therefore sorry for your loss (of sanity).

Ps: the ending shows how fickle and fragile gay love is, not exactly supportive material to progress rights in Thailand tho, and from what I have seen from twitter all everyone talks about is the ending, not gay marriage in Thailand. So a perfect example of voiding all good intentions with one wrong move.

Anyway I wish you health, you seem to need it.


Edit: I see you edited most of the major name calling, seems those fluffy BLs did the trick.

There is no point in arguing with people like the one above. For all of their empty words about art they are only gaslighting, making empty, meaningless conjecture and presenting it as the absolute truth. They are not worth two seconds to type an answer if they can not see how an ending that glorifies suicide and dictates that the “other” needs to die so that the “normal” can live is damaging to the very LGBT community the show is lauded for allegedly championing.

They mention that the show is not rly a BL, and I agree, than compare the ending to those of actual BLs and that is crap. It should be compared to mature LGBT shows, where the ending is 99% of the time tragic, so this is not a new concept, it is the same old bury your gays we have seen a million times over.

But ofc since they like to see gay men living unhappily for the rest of their lives they enjoyed the ending and will trash any honest opinion against it as idiots not understanding art,….

So just ignore them, you are absolutely right and your anger is perfectly justified, and it shared by many others.

I honestly don’t think the extra runtime will fix any of the problems I have with the ending.

More Tarn in the last episode will be pointless, he should have been a main character since the beginning for us to root for him.

If Tofu is still condemned to eternal torture seeing Nut sad and in pain for a few more minutes will not fix anything.

To be honest nothing except a total rewrite of the ending to give Tofu his much deserved miracle or a 10+ episodes spin-off with Tarn would fix this and make it even remotely acceptable.

But there are a million and one book adaptations that change everything about the book. Look recently at Not Me, it changed 99% of the book, including the ending. Even Bad Buddy changed, 2gether, Love by Chance etc changed many events from the books INCLUDING THE ENDING.

Now KinPorche is again changing many plot points. Why on earth is this the only book in Thailand that can not change the ending. Hell even Ch3 previous tearjerker BL Something in my room changed 99% of the plot and ending.

It is absolute nonsense that a small publisher and author can force Thailands 2nd biggest network an FKING Netflix (who changes the endings in many of their western adaptations ) to keep their crappy ending.

Wait, so in the books it is all Tarns perspective? Well ofc then book readers are fine with end and it is indeed a happy ending. But for us no readers Tharn was a meat annoyance, none of his live for Nut was made clear. He was just the guy that abandoned Nut, broke his heart and was the obstacle for our beloved Tofu to overcome. So when he wins ofc we are upset.

I rly don’t understand then if this was their end goal why did they not focus much more on Tarn and kept Tofu/Nat as platonic. It would have fixed everything about the ending.

Ok, sory i did not understand the MODC reference since in my mind i found everything about the ending of MOTB worse (even the writing since it cancels everything it did before and contradicts all the messages before, feeling like a different show).

Now maybe i did not express myself properly since my english is self taught (poorly) and i have so many ideeas swirling in my head.

On the „heterosexual propaganda” part i was refering to all the messages in the last episode and especialy the behind the scenes that Tofu was lesser than Tarn because of what he was, and my brain imediatly made a conection to all the sermons and preachings by clergy and politicians that the life of gay men (and women) is so much less than everyone else. I did not say the show intended this message (actualy i am certain they did not), but the underlining message was the same: one life is more important than another based on a criteria that the person has no control over. Not the intended message but it still stung.

As for the suicide part your comparison is flawd. If an attack on Tarn hapened in the hospital and Tofu was killed in the attack while defending him i would 100% accepted that part (wtill would have wanted him to come back ofc), it would have been a moble sacrifice as intended. But what actualy hapened was that on a hunch he decides to knowingly drink poison with the express intention of dying (the definition of suicide) without even considering anyones feelings, without caring what new emotional scars it will cause Nut or Na, without caring that Jan will probably try and kill Tarn again or worse Nut, without any seccond thought just to awaken Tarn in that instanct, fk the consequences, because in his mind his life was not important compared to Tarn.

Ofc he didn’t there were a million ways to wrap everything up in a meaningful way without resorting to a cheap plot device of pointlessly killing the main character for laughs.

I just have to answer since this was directed at my comment. I sort of explained why I said heterosexual propaganda. If was because the final message and the justification given by the crew was that Tharn was more deserving of life than Tofu because he was human and Tofu just a toy, even tho in the context of the show ( no I am not insane to think in real life a teddy is more or equal to human life) Tofu was a real sentient being equal or better than any human. The parallels to conservative religious propaganda is staggering.

Suicide glorification is self explanatory. The show literally presents a character willingly and knowingly ingesting poison because they believe it will make their loved ones happy as heroic and noble.

And I did not call the show evil and vile (everything that came before the final episode was near perfect) I called the above message such, since it feels like the ending is so disconnected from what came before as if it was made by someone from Russia, China or Saudi Arabia as opposed to the rest.

Same, I just can’t move on. Every time I think about it the ending just gets worse and worse.

On the contrary I find this ending way worse than MODC.

In MODC the death is result of a tragic accident in a realistic show where life and death are final. It was no one’s fault, life sucks, and it does. That message I could accept.

Here it feels so so much worse when the story showed just how important and real Tofu was. Despite his origins and what he was once we saw him becoming a real human. He felt love, and pain and jealousy. He was real, he was alive, and the story told us he didn’t matter. His death was not an accident. He vomited suicide and it was presented as heroic and noble. The show was also fantasy. It had the possibility for another miracle to happen to the one most deserving of one, our Tofu. But no, Tarn, who abandoned Nut was more important, just because he was borne human. It was exactly how people treat gay men as less than their straight counterparts for how they are born.

In a show so steeped in a-pro lgbt message, to turn around and use gay couples to push heterosexual propaganda and glorify suicide is vile, evil and it negates every single good thing the show did before.

It was a tragic ending regardless of where they stopped. If they left it open ended at least we could have made up our own ending and it would not have felt like such a major betrayal of all that came before it.

On a side note, how on earth does she see Tarn as Nuts main love when he had so little screen time and close to zero development, and Tofu as an object, when him becoming a real human was the whole point of 15 episodes.

Every sentence you wrote is your own personal opinion and has no basis in the actual show, was not shown (you could say it was because of time, but if it was cut it was considered by everyone involved as not important), and the characters had no way of knowing how others would react (Example: How was Tofu to know his death would not throw Nut into a much worse relapse, and he would in the spurn of the moment unleash all his violent urges on someone, even his beloved Na) .

I know i can not convince you, that heavy does of religious fanatism in your post prioued it (and for the record, going into heavy Christian/Islam lore on a BL forum is not advised considering how many people in this comunity suffered untold horrors in the name of religion).

Anyway i am glad you enjoyed it, most people did not, and many are not past the anger phase, and honestly every one of your coments are making it worse. Try and take a step back, actualy read what the pople who hated the ending are saying, stop calling them dumb for not understanding and hating the ending, and be like your interpretation of Tofu and act a little more selflessly :P)

Just a small heads up. Many people do not interpret the ending the way the poster above did. Everything they wrote in the last paragraph was purely their own interpretation based on the book and cut content and is not reflected in what was actualy shown, that beeing one of the reasons most people here and elswhere found the ending to be horrible.

But Tofu had no way of knowing his death would solve anything beyond bringing Tarn back. Everyone could have still been killed, now that the only living beeing that knew what was hapening was dead. His choice was reckless, selfish (it completly ignored the suffering it would bring Nut, Na and others) and stupid. To present a cowardly act of suicide as heroic and selfless is just beyond wrong and problematic. In the end noone was happy and the ending (exclusivly tragic for all main characters) was the worst thing they could have ever done. Glorifying suicide is never healthy.

Just imagine how many vulnerable kids watching this will get the impresion that it is best that they vanish so their parents/friends/bullys live a happyer life without them. THE ENDING WAS PURELY IRESPONSABLE.

So is he advocating that we all commit suicide to donate our organs to those who are unjustly suffering from terminal illnesses?

Who decides who is more deserving of life? Who has the right to decide that one life is more important than another?

The show spent 15 episodes trying to tell us Tofu was a living real entity not just a toy, only for the last episode to just go: joking he was meaningless.

To answer his question: Yes I would have loved Tofu way more if he had faith in Nut and not cause him extensive pain and torment by committing suicide.

In order for the ending to be happy, atleast some of the main characters needed to be in a good place at the end, and no one who desered to be happy got that.

And if we see the ending as happy or tragic rests on one thing: Do we see Tofu as a meaningless toy or as a real sentient entity. And the show went for 15 ep trying to convince us and Tofu himself that he was real. And he was. He was sentient, he had feelings, he had wants and wishes. He became so much more than empty cotton. He was a real person in the end. To say the love Nut and Tarn once shared is superior than the one Nut and tofu did share in the present, because of the material they are made of (that they had no hand in chosing) is just like how conservatives who say gay love is meaningless comparted to heterosexual love.

In chosing Tarn in the end over Tofu (by the writers) the message was that society once again wants the status qvo to remain intact, that the „other” should just die and leave the „normals” to be happy.

In the end Tofu is cursed to experience the man he loves moving on with someone else, Nut is doomed to lose the man he loves again, a seccond (well third) time, and having to settle for the seccond choice, and Tarn is always living in Tofus shadow, knowing he was not forst in his husbands heart. The ending is unfair to all three, so it baffles me to see anyone think it is even remotely happy.

The sad thing is there were so, so many ways the shows could have been happy outside of giving Tofu a miracle seccond life. If Tarn was the end game, why not focus on his epic love with Nut from the start and let Nut/Tofu be an innocent platonic love. Or have Tofu be Tarns soul, who once his corporeal form dies returns to his real body with all memoreies intact. Those would have been so much better (and with messages that did not contradict the whole show) than the crap ending we got.

I just do not understand what is so fascinating about sad, tragic endings for some people. Do they get some sadistic form of pleasure by seeing people suffer and whole lives being ruined? I just do not get how anyone could like endings like this one, or from shows like Something in my Room, Make our Days Count, The Shipper, Kissable Lips,etc...

I have seen things like „it is realistic”, or „that is how life if” etc. But this is the thing. WE KNOW. We see all the tragedy, pain and pointless longing in our every day life. We see it in our lives, and the life of those arround us. What we do not see is hope. It is a spark to get us to get up in the morning. And when some of the extremly few pieces of media that try and represent anything other than the traditional man+woman+child family ends in the ”realistic” pain, death and heartbreak the message is quite clear: there is no hope, there never was and there never will be, miracles do not exist, and when they do happen they are short lived and leave you in even more pain than before.

Overall again, there is no hope to be found here, just three existances that at best try and settle for the crappy hand they were delt. Sigh.. The western tradition of giving all LGBT shows a tragic ending is starting to infest asian BL shows too. Human nature never changes.