BaldFerrets

This is a ChatGPT response. That's not how defamation laws work. When the claims are made by the deceased, KSR's family can claim this is what the deceased claimed (which would be undeniably true and substantiated). Then, even if KSH provided contradictory evidence, he's against a dead plaintiff or if he's against the family, he'd have to prove a claim of a claim was done negligently or maliciously. He'd have to also ensure the quality of your evidence is resistant to counter arguments, which would be nonsensical to expect unless KSH preemptively anticipated this.

Point me to a single case where a celebrity figure was able to win a defamation case regarding a dating rumor or claim where they actually had dated the person at a different period.

Sure that could be one interpretation that KSH wanted to cover up his tracks 3 years later. Another could be that's when they started dating and as per the agency's advice, they move to a untraceable communication platform. And it would corroborate KSH's alleged claim that they started dating when KSR was 19 (or 18 by international age).

Right, which was my original understanding and why it's speculative.

I may have missed some evidence, but of all the evidence I have seen so far, none were conclusive in regards to KSH dating a minor. You can assert if I look deeper, it's there, but in that case it would make major Korean headlines, so don't be surprised when I say I don't believe you. You're willing to share what you have however.

Okay, well, you might be convinced, you can drop your support of him, but you need to recognize it's not conclusive unless you want to share what you think is conclusive and why it is. Otherwise, that's literally how witchhunts happen, which is my original claim.

Because a defamation case where you need to disprove WHEN you were dating someone who you had a seemingly affectionate relationship with is almost impossible to do whether you are innocent or guilty unless your messages explicitly states "we are not dating in this period and we began on this date" and have that in writing. Furthermore, if the court drops the case because the evidence is inconclusive, lay people will assume he lost because he dated her, not because it's inconclusive. This is a high-risk, low reward situation where no legal adviser in their right mind would recommend.

Uh, this one is KSR asking if KSH was suing/removing GM's financial backing for her. I have already read this, and it's why I agree KSH is an asshole.
I'd like to read the texts from Nov 2015 - Jul 2021.

I don't need translations as I've learned Korean, just direct me to the texts. I'd love to read them. But texts that would convince me would be overly affectionate messages, desires to meet, and something that would suggest the relationship isn't just between friends or acquiantances. Given Korea's communal culture, it would have to be beyond brother and sister affection, which can be given to strangers depending on the background of the relationship

GM can't prove a negative... The burden of prove is on KSR's side. KSR's side is making the positive claim, which GM denies. Garo Sero claims they have the physical evidence but is only not releasing them to protect the honor of KSR and that they'd do it slowly... Okay? Given we take Garo Sero's words at face, we ought to wait.

Finally, I have found and read the letter. Yes, there is a possibility that they were dating although it's a bit strange the letter lacks affection and it doesn't make it obvious. I could also interpret the letter to an affectionate little sister (esp if you know Korean), but given KSH dates her after, it is still weird imo. Regardless, I still maintain none of this is conclusive.

Playing on the defensive role for KSR is fine, bringing clarity to the situation and providing more information is of course welcoming. That's obviously not what I am criticizing. I am criticizing people making speculative claims as confirmed facts then saying we are defenders of KSH or endorse pedo behavior when we point out it is not a shut case. I.e., the so-called "bully culture" apparently only found in Korea.

Such as?

That is not evidence. That is a testimonial claim via text. The letters might be evidence, and I'd love to read it, but it doesn't seem conclusive from how you're describing it.

No, I don't trust KSH. But it's one thing to be an asshole and a toxic ex; it's another to be a pedo. If you want to say KSH was an asshole, I completely agree. If you want me to say KSH is a groomer or pedo, I want more evidence.

I literally don't have a dog in this fight. I have made many arguments that K-net "bully culture" is not just Korean culture (besides a difference in values), but a universal phenomena where people simply leap to conclusions on partial evidence. I am now underscoring the same behavior from international fans.

Hypocrisy is real... Y'all were clowning K-nets for a witchhunt on Lee Sun Kyun for jumping to conclusions and relying on Garo Sero, but now that Kim Sae Ron died and y'all are getting updated news from Garo Sero (because the news hit your radar), it's okay to go on witchhunts? This sort of behavior is exactly what led to the previous suicides. And if KSH kills himself, are y'all just gonna blame K-nets again?

I am not endorsing or defending KSH in any way. But all we have is speculative evidence at best. Furthermore, we don't have any direct evidence of them dating when she was a minor; these are all testimonial claims. (And no, rubbing/kissing cheeks or photos of them being together are not good enough. I want conclusive evidence, such as them kissing or text messages indicating their relationship where we can see KSR was a minor). Given the age and power dynamics of their relationship, and the apparent physical closeness in the photos, looming thoughts that KSH groomed her are valid and probable concerns. But at the same time, it's not conclusive. Furthermore, y'all cannot argue that we believe whatever KSR's family says. We will hear them out, but they also need to do the due dilligence of finding evidence to convince us.

KSH admitted to dating when they were adults, so photos that indicate they were together are not good enough; Garo Sero claims they will release more evidence. Let's wait on raising our pitchforks OR stfu about K-net bully culture because y'all are doing the same shit.

Nah, that's what Jun Mo thought. The wife went undeecover to protect her husband who she felt was overburdening himself in an incredibly dangerous mission.

I am not going to give a lecture on neuroscience just to explain to you how someone with great athletic abilities can suffer academically or in reasoning (but surprise, surprise different regions of the brain are in charge of different things).

Furthermore, no, it's not like you are complaining a car doesn't have wheels—that doesn't even make sense analogously. What you're complaining about is as ridiculous as someone complaining wuxia fight scenes defy physics. Like okay..? But ask yourself whether that was intentional or not and if it fits the intended genre? 2/3 of your criticisms are invalid like this, the other 1/3, such as power inconsistencies, could be valid, but it's even more confusing when you, as a huge fan of wuxia, say this. I haven't seen Nirvana but I have seen Joy/AoS and many of the exact "problems" that you describe stem there too, esp. JoL which you gave a 10/10...

The irony is I am not a fan of these types of shows (I gave you 3 movie recommendations and those are what I would prefer more). I also enjoy criticisms. Why I am challenging you despite these is because it is a peeve of mine when I see people compare dramas or movies to an entirely different category than what was intended because they had completely different expectations. It would be like complaining that Ip Man fails as a romance or a biographical movie: It's just not productive.

I'm sorry but complaining about Yu Ga Min being dumb has got to be one of the dumbest complaints I've seen. This is literally the punchline of the show. He is insanely talented gifted with his athleticism, but has horrible luck with his intelligence. Complaining about that is like complaining that Ford v Ferrari should be about fighter jets than cars.

If you want more grisly and realistic versions of this type of drama, then just look for gangster thriller movies. If you like the school background you can look for them specifically, such as Gangster High, Friend, and Once Upon a Time in High School. Don't get shocked that a drama adaptation of a shounen webtoon has shounen clichés with fans overrating it. Like dude, your top rated dramas are literally wuxia... you're no different from them?

The actors are not Korean nor Japanese, I can tell you that. You might have a higher chance of finding it by asking people over at the C-drama section.

Take care as well

You are free to speak your mind. But you shouldn't mischaracterize people with opposing views as yours by saying they are doing something they are not.

You say there shouldn't be a discussion, but you keep injecting your position. You claim people should be more mindful of what they say and that helps "explain the phenonmenon of how all of this occurs and keeps occuring." So, it's clear where you stand and you are attempting to identify a problem and offer a solution. My opinion is these are superfluous words. If we can solve problems like this, then there would be world peace. I can simply say, "We should respect people's space, not get greedy, and tolerate differences." It's a lot easier said than done.

Here is some food for thought. If Sae Ron faced cyberbullying but was able to procure a role, reach the same status or higher than before her DUI, and wipe her debts, would she still be here today? On the flip side, if after her DUI, no one cyberbullies or engages with her except for a handful of fans, but she is blackballed by the entertainment industry, and her debt remains, would she still be here today?