BaldFerrets

You didn't simply flat out write we shouldn't debate and we should reflect on Kim Sae Ron's life, which I can get behind. You claimed people were being hateful and justifying bullying, which isn't true, and you pointed out a person with an alternative perspective as yours as those with this characterization. So I stand by what I said.

People express remorse, empathy, and condolences. People also offer what they think was the cause and the solution for the problem. This isn't the funeral hall where we are meeting Sae Ron's family and friends. You are misconstruing people who do not hold the opinion that cyberbullying was the main cause as their supporting cyberbullying. And I repeat, no one is doing that.

From what I could gather, I take it that you have problems with psychophant saying Sae Ron would have been fine if she laid low for 2 years? But that is in response to someone claiming Korea treats the smallest crime as the biggest and are unforgiving. That is not advocating for bullying and hate. It's an honest question. What percentage of celebrities involved in a DUI are able to return? What steps did they take to return? Does Korea truly have a problem of applying fair ethical judgments for its celebrities? The collective humanity in response to a tragedy isn't just emotional thinking, but also realistic and rational solutions to prevent something like this in the future.

It's not a matter of politeness. A debate is a two-way street. If you were truly fair in your assessment that this place shouldn't be a place for debates then you should have also been critical of those who were providing reasons for her suicide. Because those offering alternative reasons are responses to those who provided the initial reason. Rather, it seems like you are trying to enforce the way we think by claiming the naysayers of your opinion are empowering hate and bullying.

I have read the posts and I don't think it's fair of you to mischaracterize people's viewpoints just because you disagree with them. No one here is advocating or condoning bullying. People are offering alternative reasons for what they think is the main cause of celebrity suicide and why Korea is different from America or Europe.

Of course society can directly cause traumatic issues. But these are usually extreme examples, such as the war veteran facing PTSD, spouse of long term domestic abuse, child abuse, etc. What the drama did was attempt to make a social commentary about tiger parents, scam victims, and workplace stress while using mental health as a mawkish token. I think it stems from the writer mistaking causes of suicide as an automatic mental health problem. Thus, the drama conflates stressors for suicide as psychiatric problems, and as a result, overrepresents "mental illness" as trauma-based and relatable day-to-day stresses, which is irresponsible and downright untrue; they aren't equivalent and the problems for the latter is a lot more robust and fine-tuned; at best, the two are correlated.

"Victim mentality" is used in the context of pushing all the blame onto society. I am arguing the drama is the exact opposite of your extremist view regarding "you're the problem." That is, it is absolving all and any responsibility from all types of patient and requiring society to change. I am not claiming mentally ill patients have victim mentalities when therapists do the precise opposite: therapeutic techniques, especially for the cases I mentioned, will involve taking accountability for controllable factors, developing self efficacy, and building internal locus of control. The drama, however, does the opposite. In fact, the drama's representation of mental health makes it easier to trivialize:

"Hey man, I understand what you're going through. I also got scammed, a mean boss, or a schoolmarmarmish parent; you just need to get a better job, find a new job, or leave your house. Then, your mental illness will resolve itself."

Yeah, that's not how psychiatric problems work. At all.

Finally a good K-drama after a long drought. My thirst has been quenched.

You are mixing up K dramas and movies. K-movies always had nudity and gratuitous sex. K-dramas, on the other hand, never had uncensored nudity before Western markets dipped their toes.

The closest to nudity I've seen is Special Affairs Team Ten for the pilot episode, but due to a steep drop in viewership, they removed the nudity in the following episodes. And of course, the sex will either be implied or off screen at best. Try finding a K-drama (by a major production company) pre-2015 with bare nudity and sex lol, I bet you won't find a single one.

Because the problem is not about Korea narrowly punishing or oppressing women. It is about Korea's leniency against violent crimes. Your focus on women regarding violent crimes does not get to the heart of the issue. If Korea's justice system were stricter on hard crimes and the sentencing of violent crimes for women were unitlaterally lenient against them, then you would be onto something and I would be supportive, but that is not the case.

You are portraying this naive picture that Korea is a dystopian society with rampant violence against women, Korean feminist groups brought this to light, and now people are aware. But this is out of touch with reality. Everyone there knew about the atrocious crimes such as Cho Doo Soon's and if they didn't, thanks to movies like Hope, they did now. Movies like Silenced gave more awareness against child abuse and even helped passed a law. None of these were feminist led organizations, but were problems the country faced collectively.

I would say predominantly women led protests that gave people awareness are crimes involving spy-cams and deepfake, which are rights to privacy. This is a topic I did not mention because I agree with what you are saying. You conflated privacy and violence; I did not.

Thanks for reading!
I would say you are not missing out on much.

I get what you are saying, but please do not exclude the men. The Korean legal system regarding violence is weird and we would need an expert to explain it to us. For example, I mentioned Cho Doo-soon down below, which is most likely what this film is referencing. However, if you see his list of crimes, he beat a 60 year old man to death and he only got a 2 year sentence in prison and was able to plead for insanity; and this is after he raped a woman. 2 years. For Beating. A. Man. To. Death. Soon thereafter, the infamous 8 year old Na Young case happened.
There was another case where a 19 year old rear ended another car, and when the other guy verbally confronted the 19 year old, the 19 year old used brass knuckles to assault him and permanently blinded his left eye. He was sentenced to 1.5 years in prison. There are so many stories like these whether the victim is a man or a woman. I don't know what's going on with Korea's justice system but its leniency on violent crimes is really bizarre.

Because the Japanese man is no longer the demon and someone else's soul is within him. It is most likely the driver's soul.

One of the puzzle of the movie is to understand precisely what ritual the Japanese shaman committed. We know it has something to do with the driver, hence why his photo is on the altar. As a result, we also know the two ritual between the Korean shaman and the Japanese shaman were completely unrelated despite how the editing of the film may trick viewers. Finally, we know after the ritual, the Japanese man is different because now he's expressing emotions he never had previously. Remember, even after the villagers kill his dog, he's completely emotionless? But after the ritual, all we see from him is emotion: confusion and fear. This all ties with what the woman in white says at the very end, "your sin is suspecting and killing an innocent man." If the Japanese man was a demon at that time they killed him, the father would not have committed a sin for killing him.

The precise cause of his fall is unknown. It was most likely not caused by the lady in white but another force; this is another editing trick.

The writing for this film was pretty garbage ngl. But the most garbage is Korea's justice system where in which this film bares even the slightest realism. If you thought the criminals who kept popping out after breaking various laws were unrealistic and ridiculous, look into the Cho Do Soon case, which is most likely what the film had in mind. The guy was a habitual thief, then raped a 19 year old, then beat an elderly man to death, then raped an 8 year old child (the movie Hope is based on this event) and was released recently after given only 12 years for his most recent crime. Everyone in Korea is pissed; let's change that to the world.

This one looks promising.

I already get the sense the writing will suck. The devil dispenses justice onto people more devilish than herself? Was this written by a high schooler or a fanfic writer? lol

If he had reported the crime, the investigative process would have been different as well. The serial killer left the butchered corpse in the motel room; Seong Ah took the corpse with her. The police would spend their manpower chasing her down, not inspect a crime scene that was already cleaned. At best, you might have a few forensics guy come over to double check.

Sure, no problem

No, I was not paranoid until your constant questioning. Now, I am kind of paranoid. :)

That's weird, I don't see them on my end

Oh no problem, I'm always eager to hear other people's opinions. Feel free to disagree as well;I'm all ears.

Are you trolling me? You found a 8 month comment to write this? I have given a review on why I did not like the philosophy of Hellbound. Feel free to critique it on the comment section of my review if you have any problems with it.

"for those who didn’t enjoy the series, please stop terrorizing those who haven’t watched it and let them decide on their own whether it’s a waste of their time or not"

If a person asks for our opinion because they specifically state they don't want to waste time, it's not "terrorizing" to try to fairly assess what might match their expectations. Also, I 'd argue the people doing any "terrorizing" are the rabid fans of the shows.

But I agree with your general sentiment. Let's just all get along, discuss the show peacefully, and agree to disagree if it boils down to that point.