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@Synchonicity
Thanks for your reply...well there you go, as they say you're never to old to learn something :)

@Iulia
"Meanwhile, I am still waiting for it to be completed to watch it in one go"

Some people just seem to be incompatible with other people having different opinions.....way of the world I guess.

After watching Ep.1 I just felt something was "off"...can't explain what it was but I decide there and then to do the same and wait until all episodes had finished and binge-watch the series as I felt it was better to be miserable for 13 hours instead of 13 weeks. I have continued to read the comments so I've got a bit of the gist of what has gone down so far and boy I'm so glad that I decided to wait.

@ Jon Smith
I agree “…..projection. I, and, a lot of others (from reading the comments) seem to be projecting what may be unresolved individual emotions onto the characters.”
I think the bulk of the comments portray this. Even though I don’t condone infidelity and the side issues involved I'm starting to ask myself: are we making mountains out of molehills?
Yes, the writer/s have fostered a tremendous amount of discussion and this is usually good but in these circumstances maybe a little too much discussion...there's a whole lot of anger/disappointment out there which is reflected in the declining ratings.
We don’t know the whole story yet and this is why I think the writers/producers are not helping with the ratings…with not many episodes to go why can’t the writers/producers give us something positive, no matter how small, to get us excited to look forward to the final episode. As it stands I imagine many, sadly, can’t wait for TNC to end.

"We want Korn and Knock to respond in a way that we would respond”.
Thinking of this point I was reminded of many scenes involving Korn where he appears passive all the time. he doesn't seem to show much else (e.g. anger) but to be fair we don't see scenes of him alone at night, in an empty bed and how he is dealing with this (well at least I haven't).….has he ever gotten angry since this whole mess started. Even though he was involved in the cheating game surely he must feel angry/frustrated at times especially when it comes to his father who has physically abused him, continuing his belittling of him in front of Knock’s parents, etc…maybe that’s a cultural thing idk….it's become quite clear it's no bloody wonder that Korn was afraid to tell his parents. Korn’s father has shown his bigotry towards gay people in the most offensive way…he doesn’t deserve to be a father.

I haven't watched The Scene between Korn and Pete yet. Being female I would like to ask a dumb question: can a man really "perform" if he is drunk as I've always thought that it's pretty difficult to get to the point of the act itself. Guess there are degrees of drunkenness.

@Gottillc
WOW exactly!

There are roughly 1200+ comments on this site now. Ratings started at 7.9 and are now down to 6.7 … even with 4 episodes to go you don’t need to be a brain surgeon to know something is seriously wrong, even blind Freddy can see that.

Reading comments now has become a hard slog for me and my head is done in. It has become overloaded and I’ve come to loath words/phrases like realistic relationships, rainbows and butterflies, cheating, hate, knew what he was doing.....sometimes I feel like when I’m reading some comments I’m reading a psychology book on relationships be it healthy, unhealthy or otherwise. Crikey! it’s becoming bigger than Ben Hur.

@Andpanop
"Like I want to see them argue about what type of wedding they gonna have, or who to invite and fight over who takes the lead".
Yep. we were definitely robbed there!.

@Jon Smith
Enjoyed reading your comment ;)

Knock visiting Pete... Huh!! still shaking my head at that one.

"I am glad that he didn't try the old "tit-for-tat" with Pete"
Ah come on Jon Smith, it would've been only sex :)

"However the real issue, which has been the issue throughout their entire relationship continues not to be addressed, communication".
That's becoming so old. This is the thing that convinces me that the writer/s are young and very inexperience writers at that.

And Farm: have only watched Ep.1 and YT clips so far but I'm struggling in the believability of the young actor playing the role of Farm in this current chapter. Don't get me wrong I like the actor, nothing against him, he's fairly new to the game but to me he doesn't pull off his role as a player. Hard for me to explain but there's something just missing for me to believe in him. Maybe his naivety and 'softness' in TWM was too convincing for me as he still seems to have the same demeanour, facial expressions etc. in this current drama....if he's changed because of what happened on the night of his birthday I would expect his body language etc would too...even his current fashion sense doesn't do it for me.

Yihwa! Yihwa! Yihwa! you're breaking my heart darling...how can you go from being the best thing since sliced bread in TWM to this this this bull dust.

Yep, I could see Cho and Fai getting together...Fai was a knockout when she lost the bet to their soccer coach in TWM.

@ Jon Smith
I think that 2 out of the 3 couples will make it through. I haven't decided who doesn't make it......I'll leave that up to the writer/s, they've been doing such a spectacular job so far that I wouldn't want to take away their 15 minutes of fame.!!!!!!!!!!

@mark
+1 :)

@Not a Robot
No harm in having a little fun...I think that at this stage of the game a bit of fun is needed...it's so exhausting trying to get through comments with each episode :)

@Pedro Guida
Always enjoy reading your comments. Don’t always agree with some of your points but I do respect that you “stick to your guns” when you are expressing your opinion/s with something/someone.

I’ve only watched the 1st episode after which I decided to wait until TNC was completed and binge watch the reminder…I sensed TNC was not going to be quite what I thought it was going to be and figured that bingeing for 13 hours would be better (for my health LOL) than 13 weeks, besides 13 weeks is a long time between drinks :)

Coming here almost on a daily basis to read comments has provided me with much of what is going down with each episode and I’ve made a few comments along the way. I wanted to say much here but it could've become long and boring so I’ll choose 1 or 2 aspects to comment on.

# "Shutting them out, making them feel rejected and small, taking them for granted are equally as corrosive.” YES (tick tick tick). This is where I believe the rot well and truly started to set in within the K/K relationship.

# "Besides love, a relationship needs communication, trust, a healthy sex life, similar values, compromise, respect, faithfulness,”
All the points you make in what a relationship needs are spot on and I would like to add one more: ‘liking’. (hopefully I can articulate the ‘liking’ aspect following).

Dictionary definition of like:
:to enjoy (something): to get pleasure from (something)
:to regard in a favourable way
:to feel affection for (someone): to enjoy being with (someone)

When I read this paragraph I was reminded of a scene in a movie I watched when I was 20 years old and it has often came to mind from time to time over the years.
The movie is “Shenendoah” and there is a classic scene where Charlie Anderson, played by Jimmy Stewart, has a conversation with his daughter’s suitor, Lieutenant Sam. In the film, Sam approaches Charlie Anderson to ask for his daughter’s hand in marriage. The conversation goes like this:
Sam: I want to ask for your daughter’s hand in marriage.
Charlie: Why? Why do you want to marry her?
Sam: Well, I love her.
Charlie: That’s not good enough. Do you like her?
Sam: I just said I….
Charlie: No, no. You said you loved her. There is some difference between love and like. You see, Sam, when you love a woman without likin’ her, the night can be long and cold, and contempt comes up with the sun.

Quoted from an article I read: "With love can come hate (as the divorce rate shows). When we love a person (or a book, a church, a religion, etc) so much so, we may forget to like them. And so this can lead to hate.

Liking isn’t so apt to become obsessed. Liking isn’t so quick to hold false expectations. Liking is more open-minded, has a sense of humor, and can move past faults while yet aiming for the higher ideal.

Actually liking who they are as a person, the fun you can have together, the ability to talk about things, the comfort of knowing you can trust someone because there is mutual respect in your relationship. The knowledge that they have made a commitment to stand by your side because they want to. The foundation of a relationship that lies in the fact that they actually like who you are as a person, and that you like who they are, too."

So I would include like/friendsip as a need for any relationship. Nietzsche once said – “Lack of love does not make for unhappy marriages, lack of friendship does.” How much would you truly need to be friends with someone below the surface in order to really make things work.

In essence what I’m trying to say here (even though I’ve only watched 1 episode and read countless comments) is, I get a sense that Korn & Knock (in the 3 years they have been together) have forgotten about the friendship they once had (as children and the fun they had together) and only picked up their bond again after they reconnected at Uni.

"Love may be the fire of a relationship, but if it is left alone "When you feel unloved and rejected,” any fire will eventually burn out, no matter how strong. Friendship, actually liking someone as a person, and all of the great qualities you share is the kindling. It is the consistent stoking that will keep the fire burning."

I believe you can have a friendship without a relationship, but you can’t have a relationship without a friendship. But hey the writers will make it happen in the final episode, right!!

Crikey I think this drama TNC has turned me into a cynic…gee all I wanted was ……………….? huh I’m not even sure anymore.

@RJ_Jacob101
One step closer, that’s great.

I remember watching one of the Taiwanese shows HIStory (2nd series Right or Wrong) and in the final episode the older man proposes to the younger man "Let’s get married after 2 years.” When this was said an explanation appeared on the screen (by the subber I guess):

"Taiwan’s top court rules in favour of same-sex marriage in 2017 and same-sex couples could register to marry based on its ruling after 2 years.” so I’m assuming by what you say once s/s marriage is legalised then hopefully eliminating having to register after 2 years won’t be needed either. As a whole and not state to state thing makes so much more sense also. :)

@RJ_Jacob101
Agree, I like Korn (although atm I would like to give him a knuckle sandwich) and so out of character... that's the bit that irks me how a writer can change a character with the stroke of a pen. But at the same time I wouldn't like to be a writer, they have a tough job sometimes...the writer/s of TNC are copping a fair amount of flack for this series.
I keep telling myself "it's only a fiction story, it's only a fiction story, etc. etc. :)

@Not a Robot
Thanks for this. True, no relationship is perfect. Relationships are a working progress and need almost daily maintenance.

Interesting that this is an original story....ha ha maybe we should be having a go at the author and not the show's writer/s. I wonder sometimes if their ears are burning?

Last paragraph: Yeah, me too, I've developed a liking for the characters. I've watched TWM so often I can probably recite the dialogue verbatim. The romantic in me will never want to see KK breakup but hey they definitely need a huge shakeup...I know it will come.eventually :)

@Synchonicity
So true "When you're really in love with "the one," it's not that easy to just walk away and say "okay, see ya.”
Too right it’s not easy…..I know.

The decision to stay or not to stay in a relationship/marriage I feel is one of the toughest, if not the toughest, of infidelity. First the internal dialogue starts. Initially it’s the deed itself that starts to break you and then the one silent question starts, WHY, then the little pictures that pop into your head start "All I see is pictures of you with Pete" (quote taken from your comment)…..it’s like a runaway train without brakes that gathers momentum until it derails or (if you’re lucky) rights itself back up again.

Ultimately it will be Knock who decides the outcome of their relationship. I don’t think a simple sorry + tears from Korn will cut it with Knock. He is hurt, angry and in pain (Korn knows exactly what that feels like because of Mew's cheating) and we all know when people who are feeling like that make decisions emotionally and end up making a rash decision that in the long run isn't really what they want.

It’s indicted from a trailer I saw that Knock breaks up with Korn and this is momentarily a good move. He needs to step away for a period of time to think about how he feels and what he wants and looking at Korn’s face every day will be a constant reminder of his pain….I don’t think Knock could continue sleeping next to the person who has/is causing him all this pain.

Maybe during his alone time Knock will come to the realisation that he can’t imagine his life without Korn.

:) And maybe he will rock/paper/scissors with Korn his decision.
- Sorry, sometimes I just want to lighten the mood here. It gets depressing sometimes reading on a daily basis the rot that has settled into the Korn/Knock relationship.

@Psycho Pearl
"The writers really played us this season".

Like a fiddle. Think I might go and re-watch Sleepless in Seattle or When Harry Met Sally tonight. :)

No he is not.......the apprentice becomes the master.

"“Pass on what you have learned.” — Yoda.
LOL sounds like it should be Bright quoting that. :)

@YouDirtyWater
Yep, down to 6.8 now….to me this shows that the risk the writers took in adding cheating to Korn's character has not been welcomed by fans by a long shot (as if it would ever). This shows a lack of understanding by the writers of the fandom especially those who like the character of Korn.

@Gottillc
"contrived plots, badly written dialog, and inconsistent characterisations are right on point”
I agree with Pedro’s points as well and absolutely, we can’t put all writers in the same box although sometimes when I watch a run of Kdramas I sometimes wonder if the writers graduated from the same writing class as they all seem to have a familiarity about them all…much the same only the faces are different.

I’d love to know the writers’ gender of TNC, whether old or young/very young, experienced/inexperienced. I just get the feeling that the writer/s are young and inexperienced and it shows through the sometimes dreadful dialogue.

I shake my head at some of the dialogue Max has had to verbalise, especially in the scene where both are sitting on a couch and Knock is crying and telling Korn what he is feeling and of course the pièce de résistance of that speech:

“I know that I’m wrong but it’s just sex” !!!!! If that’s not sticking it to Knock I don’t know what is. Bloody hell!!! that’s got to be the worst line ever written in a romance drama/movie and I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve hear it. Would Korn have accepted that excuse from Mew?

Poor Korn is in over his head, he is clutching at straws, he is saying whatever comes into his head without really thinking, he’s treading water trying to keep his head above water because he knows "the perverbial sh*t has hit the fan”.

Hope this is okay to post here.

"It was a very long engagement. Thirteen years of waiting, wondering, wishing. Two young men, committed to each other for life before they turned 20, who couldn't quite work out why the world couldn't catch up with them".

Today (Thurs 15 November) marks the first anniversary of Australia voting for same-sex marriage. On this day across Australia, one year ago, crowds had gathered in front of screens for the culmination of a two-month campaign. Either way, the country was about to learn something about itself.
It was put to a referendum to the Australian people and all we had to do was vote YES or NO. In all, 61.6 per cent of Australians had voted "YES", including a majority in each state and territory.

@Synchonicity

One of your better comments, thanks. (no sarcasm intended). I especially liked your 2nd last paragraph :)