The writers really screwed up this time... Though I loveKorn/Knock and will watch whatever they give me, I think…
@Monotone_Madness "The Pete storyline is totally unnecessary, and the drama would have been able to get a deeper meaning across, as well as showing an important message that love is love, and that we have to accept both our own as well as other peoples definitions as to what that love entails."
Maybe that was in the "too hard basket" for these writers....seems to me the cheating route was the easiest way to create conflict/drama between all three couples, mainly Korn & Knock....didn't take much imagination from the writers to come up with that trope...it's old and has been done so many times I'd rather watch grass grow. Oh well c'est la vie...one day it will all be ancient history!
First I would just like to say thank you to kisskh commenters, as expected these comments are off the chain,…
@Jon Smith "First I would just like to say thank you to kisskh commenters, as expected these comments are off the chain, so much better than the show!" Ditto.....you said it!
"It's good that the writers got people talking about some very serious issues". Did they ever what.....but they will never make it onto my favourite writers' list :) I hope that it has helped soothe the pain for some commenters who have experienced cheating. :)
When you say: "If this is in real life, these 3 couples will break up for sure. There is no way to get back together…
@Scrlt_pimpernel Exactly!! My first feeling I remember afterwards was FEAR. One can read dozens of books on infidelity but until one has experienced it first hand then you do not know how you will react. I know I reacted the complete opposite to how I always thought I would....it was an individual and lonely journey.
When you say: "If this is in real life, these 3 couples will break up for sure. There is no way to get back together…
@Synchonicity @Scrlt_pimpernel With infidelity, like so many many others, I am just another statistic. My daughter’s hero was her father and so in reflection in looking back all these years I do not regret that I decided to stay in my marriage because it wasn’t only just about me (I have a son also). She was always her father’s “little girl” (even after growing up and having a family of her own) and so when I reflect back I think I would have felt guilty even today knowing I took away from her the rest of the physical time she had left living a family life with her father, she certainly didn’t deserve not to have her father in her life and nor did my son. It’s said that “you can’t see ‘round corners” so I’ll always feel thankful for my decision, that I was able to give my daughter and son the remaining time left with their father from the infidelity incident to his passing 13 years ago.
You know, sometimes we don’t think about the other side of the cheating coin, well at least I never did. The person taking the risk to cheat (i.e. in a “one off” incident) is also cheating themselves out of having a happy, full life with the family/people they love...some of us here (including myself) have acknowledged that things are never quite the same after infidelity even after couples decide to stay together….(hope that makes sense).
This is how I've come to look at the relationship of Korn and Knock so far.
I’ve never believed in the perfect relationship. Relationships aren’t black and white. Couples break up for the dumbest of reasons but also break up for the most humiliating and painful ones as well and these reasons aren’t black or white either. For me there is no right or wrong choice when deciding to end or continue with a relationship/marriage broken because of infidelity. I agree with @Synchonicity "it's a personal matter and a personal decision."
Isn’t life about taking chances? Taking a chance on love is the greatest leap of faith possible (especially if you've been hurt in the past), to go into something, unsure of what may happen, but making the decision to commit. If we never take that chance we may end up spending the rest of our lives asking ourselves "what if".
Love is about taking that leap of faith. “Risking our hearts is why we’re alive”. (TV show Castle) Knock took that leap of faith. Isn’t this sort of what he did when “I got turned on by a guy” (Korn) and which eventually became what it was at the end of TWM. By all accounts it is assumed Knock was ’straight’ before his “being” with Korn although he did question himself while seeking advice on his social media 'bloggy thingy’ …"the worst thing is that I was fully aware, I wasn’t drunk. I got turned on by a guy, maybe I’m gay”.
Korn and Knock have history together. We can’t deny that fact. It’s part of the glue that binds them together as friends and lovers. That’s something (for me) that keeps popping up from time to time. Korn has loved Knock for a very long time…it’s always been obvious to me he had feelings for Knock even as a young boy...remember when Knock was leaving for Bangkok the forlorn look he gave Knock as he slowly walked away after saying goodbye. (Knock) "I bet no one would be as fun to play with as me. Don’t be lonely. Bye."
Korn probably didn’t fully understand his feelings at that time because he was young (what, roughly about 12 y.o.), all he knew was he liked Knock and liked being with him. K/K were childhood friends long before anything else…and they liked each other which was made obvious by their show of excitement when they reconnected at Uni. Korn acknowledged his adult feelings for what they were and, in his own way, whether right or wrong, pursued them. Being close friends as young boys allowed them to have the freedom to be together, to have fun together, to like each other before the adult world and all its complexities (including sexual) eventually caught up with them.
At the moment Knock is feeling like and playing the victim (which is his right) so he isn’t giving Korn (pardon the pun) an inch. Even though personally I detest infidelity I believe Korn shouldn’t be crucified for his one "mistake" for the rest of his life. If we aren’t given a chance then how do we learn from our mistakes.
# There’s a great line spoken (that I love) in the eulogy at the funeral for one of the characters in the US TV show “Castle” who did a wrong thing and in the end paid the ultimate price:
"WE ARE BOUND BY OUR CHOICES, BUT WE ARE MORE THAN OUR MISTAKES"
SYDNEY TEEN RECEIVES STANDING OVATION AFTER COMING OUT AS GAY AT SCHOOL.
In Australia Year 12 is the final year of High School before venturing on to further education e.g. University. Most students would finish HS at around 18 years of age.
This year 2018 a student at a Catholic boys school got a standing ovation when he came out as gay during a speech at assembly.
Finn Stannard, a Year 12 student at St Ignatius College Riverview, in Sydney, said he gave the speech for his "younger self".
"I've been working towards this speech for four years," Mr Stannard said in front of 1,000 students
"In those four years, I have come to understand who I am and how to not be sorry for being myself.
"Outside home, being gay has not always been easy. I have been the subject of countless rumours and unpleasant jokes.
"Telling friends was difficult and came with a lot of anxiety. My main fear was no longer being accepted or losing my friends and being the subject of derogatory jokes.”
Mr Stannard said he was overwhelmed to receive a standing ovation from his peers.
"I felt like I was part of that community again," he said.
"I felt like I had gotten this chance to be the real me and people accepting me for that. That was just the best feeling in the world. "I wanted to do it for my younger self. I didn't have a role model in school who I could follow to help me understand who I was, how I should behave, how I should be able to be me.”
Mr Stannard said the love and support of his family and boyfriend helped give him the courage to make the speech.
His mother was the first person he came out to.
"I said, 'Mum, I think I might be gay'. While she was definitely surprised she was by no means overwhelmed. She gave me the biggest hug and she kissed me and said she loved me," he said. "That was when I knew I'd be fine in everything that came my way. I always knew I had a supportive family."
His parents were at first worried about his plan to come out in front of the entire student body.
"Not everyone can be kind about a young man taking on his identity and being proud of who he is,” Mrs Stannard said.
"So we were concerned about the feedback he might get from his speech.”
His boyfriend Thomas Moiso helped him practice the speech.
"Thomas has been amazing throughout the whole experience. He literally and metaphorically held my hand through the entire situation," Mr Stannard said.
Mr Stannard took Mr Moiso as his date to his Year 12 formal.
Mr Stannard says everyone at school has been "so supportive".
"They were so supportive. The school has been amazing. They've supported me the entire way," he said.
Next year Mr Stannard will start a teaching degree at university. And he will be following the public debate over the right of religious schools to hire and fire teachers on the basis of their sexual orientation.
"People should be hired for the job if they're the best for job. Sexuality has nothing to do with that. It's all about how they can help students learn and get the abilities to be themselves," he said.
"Finn gave the speech in June, right around the time when there were ongoing national debates about sexual orientation in Australia, including the question of whether religious schools have the right to discriminate against people from the LGBTQ community, according to SBS News. Finn reportedly said it was only after Australia voted yes on gay marriage that he felt confident enough to fully come out. Now, Finn said, he hopes that more publicly sharing his keynote address about his sexuality, which was written to a younger version of himself, might help anyone else who feels "lost." "
LMAO!!! I agree with this synopsis.... It's already foretold that Knock will get back with Korn...again, showing…
@Gottillc My favourite saying about lying: "You can watch a thief but you can't watch a lier". This is why learning to trust again is a hard road to follow.
Yes, Cho advised Korn to hide the truth. Not the wisest piece of advice but can understand why he sad it to Korn. I've always tried to live my life in a truthful way. With lying you have to keep a track of every little thing that you lie about, with the truth you don't...simple but lying is one of man's biggest flaws.
LMAO!!!!!! I agree with Jon Smith on the ending synopsis -- I thought almost the same thing (with the exception…
@Gottillc "The writers REALLY want to get folks to watch...and unfortunately, the worse it gets, the more fans will want to see what happens next....LOL"
Yeah, not that I want to but got to agree with you on this one. When I read comments like that it shoots down my theory that the writers are inexperienced, that they "didn't come down in the last shower of rain". If this was their aim, even with some awful writing peppered throughout the series, they are managing to do exactly what they set out to do....WOW they are a whole bunch of chocolate Smarties :):) (Smarties are a colour-varied sugar-coated chocolate confectionery.)
Doing some housekeeping with “Notes” on my laptop today and came across this comment I started about a fortnight ago and then didn’t get round to posting. I wanted a break from the current comments being posted and so I started to think about what the finale might end up being with K/K relationship….I'm guessing (and hoping for) a reconciliation.
(Now, my feeling about the finale of the show…I assume that K/K will break up after Knock finds out what Korn was doing while he was coming out to his parents)
I think that something bad has to happen to one of them (my guess would most likely be Korn) for their reconciliation to begin.
I don’t think a simple sorry + tears from Korn will cut it with Knock so if something was to happen to Korn that is life threatening then this might cause Knock to admit to himself that he can’t imagine Korn not being in his life and that could become the catalyst that will pave the way for them in taking the first step towards reconciling. They need to get to the point where they start to “see the light”, to understand where their other half is coming from and what led them to the point of a major breakdown of their relationship.
It would take a big man to begin to forgive someone who has trampled all over your heart making you feel worthless….despite his immature ways and childishness could Knock be that man? Didn’t Fai say something in TWM about don’t judge people until you have walked in their shoes.
All the cheating storylines arguments aside why the hell has Cho not gone to Human Resources about Pete already?…
@Demy_Martin "Cho not gone to Human Resources about Pete already?" One of many gaping holes in this series. Cho needs to stop being a passive bystander.....Pete won't stop until someone stops him.....he thinks he's bulletproof.
Speaking of cheating story lines 3 main couples and all are cheating.....what are the odds?
Feeling a little bored so just letting my imagination run slightly to lighten the mood a little....kudos to anyone who recognises where I pinched this from....one of my favourite pieces of dialogue from a movie I've watched many times.
The names have been changed to protect the innocent :)
Korn: Knock, I love you. Not like they told you love is, and I didn't know this either, but love don't make things nice - it ruins everything. It breaks your heart. It makes things a mess. We aren't here to make things perfect. The snowflakes are perfect. The stars are perfect. Not us. Not us! We are here to ruin ourselves and to break our hearts and love the wrong people and *die*. The storybooks are *bullshit*. Now I want you to come upstairs with me and *get* in my bed! :)
@Iulia"Meanwhile, I am still waiting for it to be completed to watch it in one go"Some people just seem to be…
@lulia Thanks for your reply. Wise move waiting since you were feeling disappointed with the episodes you did watch and didn't want to end up hating the series.
I think many people were like you with certain expectations including myself although I myself wasn't sure what those expectations were, I just imagined that it would be a flow-on from TWM which I was looking forward to.
Not a Robot said it best for me "I think that the writers manipulated a mostly female audience into thinking that this was the couple who were going to fight together," and that's the way I saw it with the build up promotion after the 3rd series was announced. I remember well the still pics of Korn & Knock wearing tuxedos, the dog, etc. Years of watching movies/tv shows has taught me that "what you see isn't necessarily what you get"......I should've known better and so, like you, I had enough nouse to wait until it finishes to watch it. :)
So here's my prediction: Korn will end up with Farm. Knock will end up with Art. Cho will end up with Bright.…
@Synchonicity LOL you must be a frustrated writer, that just about covers everyone. Now I can see Pete with Korn’s dad … you know lustful Pete and the bigot.
“You know why love stories have happy endings?” I shake my head. “Because they end too early,” she continues. “They always end right at the kiss. You never have to see all the bullshit that comes later. You know, Life.” ― Hank Moody, God Hates Us All
"Yihwa had an ongoing affair (started as emotional) while Korn had a one night stand."
LOL you stole my line." :)
Totally agree with your last paragraph...great acting down the gurgler simply because of a poor storyline that as been done time and time again.
"The Pete storyline is totally unnecessary, and the drama would have been able to get a deeper meaning across, as well as showing an important message that love is love, and that we have to accept both our own as well as other peoples definitions as to what that love entails."
Maybe that was in the "too hard basket" for these writers....seems to me the cheating route was the easiest way to create conflict/drama between all three couples, mainly Korn & Knock....didn't take much imagination from the writers to come up with that trope...it's old and has been done so many times I'd rather watch grass grow.
Oh well c'est la vie...one day it will all be ancient history!
Lol "wet bag of rock" good one :)
"First I would just like to say thank you to kisskh commenters, as expected these comments are off the chain, so much better than the show!"
Ditto.....you said it!
"It's good that the writers got people talking about some very serious issues".
Did they ever what.....but they will never make it onto my favourite writers' list :) I hope that it has helped soothe the pain for some commenters who have experienced cheating.
:)
Exactly!!
My first feeling I remember afterwards was FEAR. One can read dozens of books on infidelity but until one has experienced it first hand then you do not know how you will react. I know I reacted the complete opposite to how I always thought I would....it was an individual and lonely journey.
With infidelity, like so many many others, I am just another statistic. My daughter’s hero was her father and so in reflection in looking back all these years I do not regret that I decided to stay in my marriage because it wasn’t only just about me (I have a son also). She was always her father’s “little girl” (even after growing up and having a family of her own) and so when I reflect back I think I would have felt guilty even today knowing I took away from her the rest of the physical time she had left living a family life with her father, she certainly didn’t deserve not to have her father in her life and nor did my son. It’s said that “you can’t see ‘round corners” so I’ll always feel thankful for my decision, that I was able to give my daughter and son the remaining time left with their father from the infidelity incident to his passing 13 years ago.
You know, sometimes we don’t think about the other side of the cheating coin, well at least I never did. The person taking the risk to cheat (i.e. in a “one off” incident) is also cheating themselves out of having a happy, full life with the family/people they love...some of us here (including myself) have acknowledged that things are never quite the same after infidelity even after couples decide to stay together….(hope that makes sense).
I’ve never believed in the perfect relationship. Relationships aren’t black and white. Couples break up for the dumbest of reasons but also break up for the most humiliating and painful ones as well and these reasons aren’t black or white either.
For me there is no right or wrong choice when deciding to end or continue with a relationship/marriage broken because of infidelity. I agree with @Synchonicity "it's a personal matter and a personal decision."
Isn’t life about taking chances? Taking a chance on love is the greatest leap of faith possible (especially if you've been hurt in the past), to go into something, unsure of what may happen, but making the decision to commit. If we never take that chance we may end up spending the rest of our lives asking ourselves "what if".
Love is about taking that leap of faith. “Risking our hearts is why we’re alive”. (TV show Castle)
Knock took that leap of faith. Isn’t this sort of what he did when “I got turned on by a guy” (Korn) and which eventually became what it was at the end of TWM. By all accounts it is assumed Knock was ’straight’ before his “being” with Korn although he did question himself while seeking advice on his social media 'bloggy thingy’ …"the worst thing is that I was fully aware, I wasn’t drunk. I got turned on by a guy, maybe I’m gay”.
Korn and Knock have history together. We can’t deny that fact. It’s part of the glue that binds them together as friends and lovers. That’s something (for me) that keeps popping up from time to time. Korn has loved Knock for a very long time…it’s always been obvious to me he had feelings for Knock even as a young boy...remember when Knock was leaving for Bangkok the forlorn look he gave Knock as he slowly walked away after saying goodbye.
(Knock)
"I bet no one would be as fun to play with as me.
Don’t be lonely.
Bye."
Korn probably didn’t fully understand his feelings at that time because he was young (what, roughly about 12 y.o.), all he knew was he liked Knock and liked being with him. K/K were childhood friends long before anything else…and they liked each other which was made obvious by their show of excitement when they reconnected at Uni. Korn acknowledged his adult feelings for what they were and, in his own way, whether right or wrong, pursued them. Being close friends as young boys allowed them to have the freedom to be together, to have fun together, to like each other before the adult world and all its complexities (including sexual) eventually caught up with them.
At the moment Knock is feeling like and playing the victim (which is his right) so he isn’t giving Korn (pardon the pun) an inch. Even though personally I detest infidelity I believe Korn shouldn’t be crucified for his one "mistake" for the rest of his life. If we aren’t given a chance then how do we learn from our mistakes.
# There’s a great line spoken (that I love) in the eulogy at the funeral for one of the characters in the US TV show “Castle” who did a wrong thing and in the end paid the ultimate price:
"WE ARE BOUND BY OUR CHOICES, BUT WE ARE MORE THAN OUR MISTAKES"
SYDNEY TEEN RECEIVES STANDING OVATION AFTER COMING OUT AS GAY AT SCHOOL.
In Australia Year 12 is the final year of High School before venturing on to further education e.g. University. Most students would finish HS at around 18 years of age.
This year 2018 a student at a Catholic boys school got a standing ovation when he came out as gay during a speech at assembly.
Finn Stannard, a Year 12 student at St Ignatius College Riverview, in Sydney, said he gave the speech for his "younger self".
"I've been working towards this speech for four years," Mr Stannard said in front of 1,000 students
"In those four years, I have come to understand who I am and how to not be sorry for being myself.
"Outside home, being gay has not always been easy. I have been the subject of countless rumours and unpleasant jokes.
"Telling friends was difficult and came with a lot of anxiety. My main fear was no longer being accepted or losing my friends and being the subject of derogatory jokes.”
Mr Stannard said he was overwhelmed to receive a standing ovation from his peers.
"I felt like I was part of that community again," he said.
"I felt like I had gotten this chance to be the real me and people accepting me for that. That was just the best feeling in the world.
"I wanted to do it for my younger self. I didn't have a role model in school who I could follow to help me understand who I was, how I should behave, how I should be able to be me.”
Mr Stannard said the love and support of his family and boyfriend helped give him the courage to make the speech.
His mother was the first person he came out to.
"I said, 'Mum, I think I might be gay'. While she was definitely surprised she was by no means overwhelmed. She gave me the biggest hug and she kissed me and said she loved me," he said.
"That was when I knew I'd be fine in everything that came my way. I always knew I had a supportive family."
His parents were at first worried about his plan to come out in front of the entire student body.
"Not everyone can be kind about a young man taking on his identity and being proud of who he is,” Mrs Stannard said.
"So we were concerned about the feedback he might get from his speech.”
His boyfriend Thomas Moiso helped him practice the speech.
"Thomas has been amazing throughout the whole experience. He literally and metaphorically held my hand through the entire situation," Mr Stannard said.
Mr Stannard took Mr Moiso as his date to his Year 12 formal.
Mr Stannard says everyone at school has been "so supportive".
"They were so supportive. The school has been amazing. They've supported me the entire way," he said.
Next year Mr Stannard will start a teaching degree at university. And he will be following the public debate over the right of religious schools to hire and fire teachers on the basis of their sexual orientation.
"People should be hired for the job if they're the best for job. Sexuality has nothing to do with that. It's all about how they can help students learn and get the abilities to be themselves," he said.
From another article:
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/australian-teen-finn-stannard-came-out-as-gay-in-front-of-his-school
"Finn gave the speech in June, right around the time when there were ongoing national debates about sexual orientation in Australia, including the question of whether religious schools have the right to discriminate against people from the LGBTQ community, according to SBS News. Finn reportedly said it was only after Australia voted yes on gay marriage that he felt confident enough to fully come out. Now, Finn said, he hopes that more publicly sharing his keynote address about his sexuality, which was written to a younger version of himself, might help anyone else who feels "lost." "
My favourite saying about lying:
"You can watch a thief but you can't watch a lier".
This is why learning to trust again is a hard road to follow.
Yes, Cho advised Korn to hide the truth. Not the wisest piece of advice but can understand why he sad it to Korn. I've always tried to live my life in a truthful way. With lying you have to keep a track of every little thing that you lie about, with the truth you don't...simple but lying is one of man's biggest flaws.
"Three cheating story lines was over kill".
I think we'll still be scratching our heads over that one for years to come :)
".......but they already started this awkward and horrible revenge cheating plot."
Hmm, maybe they have painted themselves into a corner?
"The writers REALLY want to get folks to watch...and unfortunately, the worse it gets, the more fans will want to see what happens next....LOL"
Yeah, not that I want to but got to agree with you on this one. When I read comments like that it shoots down my theory that the writers are inexperienced, that they "didn't come down in the last shower of rain". If this was their aim, even with some awful writing peppered throughout the series, they are managing to do exactly what they set out to do....WOW they are a whole bunch of chocolate Smarties :):)
(Smarties are a colour-varied sugar-coated chocolate confectionery.)
Pete is a true sociopath. He definitely deserves to have a "Lorena Bobbitt" done to him.
(Some might have to google Lorena Bobbitt to get my sarcasm)
Doing some housekeeping with “Notes” on my laptop today and came across this comment I started about a fortnight ago and then didn’t get round to posting. I wanted a break from the current comments being posted and so I started to think about what the finale might end up being with K/K relationship….I'm guessing (and hoping for) a reconciliation.
(Now, my feeling about the finale of the show…I assume that K/K will break up after Knock finds out what Korn was doing while he was coming out to his parents)
I think that something bad has to happen to one of them (my guess would most likely be Korn) for their reconciliation to begin.
I don’t think a simple sorry + tears from Korn will cut it with Knock so if something was to happen to Korn that is life threatening then this might cause Knock to admit to himself that he can’t imagine Korn not being in his life and that could become the catalyst that will pave the way for them in taking the first step towards reconciling. They need to get to the point where they start to “see the light”, to understand where their other half is coming from and what led them to the point of a major breakdown of their relationship.
It would take a big man to begin to forgive someone who has trampled all over your heart making you feel worthless….despite his immature ways and childishness could Knock be that man? Didn’t Fai say something in TWM about don’t judge people until you have walked in their shoes.
"Cho not gone to Human Resources about Pete already?" One of many gaping holes in this series. Cho needs to stop being a passive bystander.....Pete won't stop until someone stops him.....he thinks he's bulletproof.
Speaking of cheating story lines 3 main couples and all are cheating.....what are the odds?
The names have been changed to protect the innocent :)
Korn:
Knock, I love you. Not like they told you love is, and I didn't know this either, but love don't make things nice - it ruins everything. It breaks your heart. It makes things a mess. We aren't here to make things perfect. The snowflakes are perfect. The stars are perfect. Not us. Not us! We are here to ruin ourselves and to break our hearts and love the wrong people and *die*. The storybooks are *bullshit*. Now I want you to come upstairs with me and *get* in my bed!
:)
Thanks for your reply. Wise move waiting since you were feeling disappointed with the episodes you did watch and didn't want to end up hating the series.
I think many people were like you with certain expectations including myself although I myself wasn't sure what those expectations were, I just imagined that it would be a flow-on from TWM which I was looking forward to.
Not a Robot said it best for me "I think that the writers manipulated a mostly female audience into thinking that this was the couple who were going to fight together," and that's the way I saw it with the build up promotion after the 3rd series was announced. I remember well the still pics of Korn & Knock wearing tuxedos, the dog, etc. Years of watching movies/tv shows has taught me that "what you see isn't necessarily what you get"......I should've known better and so, like you, I had enough nouse to wait until it finishes to watch it. :)
Yeah, that was a doozy...it's as good as “I know that I’m wrong but it’s just sex”. Great writing NOT.
Ta :)
LOL you must be a frustrated writer, that just about covers everyone. Now I can see Pete with Korn’s dad … you know lustful Pete and the bigot.
“You know why love stories have happy endings?”
I shake my head.
“Because they end too early,” she continues. “They always end right at the kiss. You never have to see all the bullshit that comes later. You know, Life.”
― Hank Moody, God Hates Us All
"I think that the writers manipulated a mostly female audience into thinking that this was the couple who were going to fight together,"
Absolutely agree 100%.
Enjoyed your comment particularly the last paragraph...thanks.