Aside from CC being a problematic character, we've all seen throughout the series that CC quits when WSW doesn't…
Firstly, thank you for trying to understand my point of view. That means a lot. I can't deny that CC's character has been making me feel uncomfortable even before this but it was the clinic scene that really made me take pause. One of the reasons I have an issue is in real life many toxic people deny rape because they claim the men were seduced either because of a woman flirting, how she dressed, just for going over to the man's place, just for accepting a ride, just for being in a club, just for being out late at night, etc. They deny rape because a woman didn't verbally say no, didn't resist hard enough, etc etc. Besides that people mock male victims of rape. So when I see a drama where a man is clearly resisting and telling his partner no but his partner is overpowering him, that sets off alarm bells in my head. Was WSW wrong for trying to seduce CC? Most definitely. Was he wrong for lying? Of course. But it still doesn't mean he deserves to be forced. I don't know if this is a BDSM couple or it is just CC who might be into BDSM. I haven't read the book so I didn't really make any presumption about them. But from what I understand about those that practice BDSM is they always have a safe word so that the other partner clearly understands when they have to stop versus when it is playing a role. From what was depicted, CC and WSW have not at all discussed their personal sexual preferences because WSW is still trying to accept himself and his sexuality just for being attracted to CC. So it makes sense that his fears or concerns lie beyond the act of sex. In this circumstance, it is natural for him to feel shame and even more so for being caught in the act. And CC forcing him before he has come to terms with his sexuality, is also terrible. I am not sure what the drama age gap is like but if it is anything like their real life age gap and just based on CC's experience (not only with sex but also have been in a long-term relationship), CC should have been the one to take the lead into discussing WSW's insecurities. But they clearly do not know how to communicate with each other. My take away is that this is a very unhealthy relationship and even abusive relationship even if WSW (nor CC) don't recognise it as such and it should be okay to call it that. In real life, many people put up with abuse because they don't know what a healthy relationship looks like. That is what I get from WSW. Also, I don't deny that this show is entertaining. It is well made and I am happy this show exists and hopefully it is just the first of many for China. I don't know how the rest of the drama will go but if they managed to tone down their character flaws from the book then I do hope they work on their communication as well because I would like to root for this pairing. Apologies for the long message from my end as well or for being too repetitive. Hope you can understand why I am critical of CC's actions.
I've seen the post that said that the author of the original novel (Chai Ji Dan) now thinks of her novel as problematic,…
Yeah. I don't know why they are taking it so personal either. It is not like it's an attack on the actors but rather each person has their own line and where they draw it. I am not going to ignore my discomfort for appearances. We already have real problems in society because people don't understand consent. I don't have an issue with red flag characters being depicted. I have a problem with people making excuses and denying or minimising what is clearly horrible behaviour.
He is written to be problematic like in the book, this isn’t a teaching moment because it’s based on his character.…
Makes sense if the drama version itself is making me feel uncomfortable. I was fighting with myself to not call him a red flag but I can't deny it anymore. 🥲
I've seen the post that said that the author of the original novel (Chai Ji Dan) now thinks of her novel as problematic,…
Thank you! I didn't find WSW being in pain funny at all. It showed me that CC didn't take WSW's lack of experience into consideration at all. As you mentioned, I would have thought they would have used lubrication and he would have taken it easy but does that is not something CC cares about as long as he gets his pleasure. No wonder WSW was running and hiding from him. Frankly, WSW had a real reason to be angry. They just downplayed it all for the sake of CC's image. CC's behaviour in this situation is really a nightmare for me. It brings up a lot of real life issues and cases for me so it is hard to ignore. Now if they show CC getting angry because of WSW's initial motivation of approaching him, i'll be even more pissed off because that is nothing compared to this,
I've seen the post that said that the author of the original novel (Chai Ji Dan) now thinks of her novel as problematic,…
This! Other people are making it seem like it's okay. That doesn't make it okay for me. I can't get rid of my discomfort. In a healthy relationship CC would have sat down with WSW and gone over his concerns as to how they can make it pleasurable for him so he isn't in pain and terrified of the next time it happens. People downplaying this is making me annoyed.
Aside from CC being a problematic character, we've all seen throughout the series that CC quits when WSW doesn't…
So you're saying no doesn't always mean no? That's very problematic. Again, just because the show turned it into a comedy doesn't mean I have to find it funny.
Aside from CC being a problematic character, we've all seen throughout the series that CC quits when WSW doesn't…
Are you sure he wouldn't have moved in on him or that's just what you're hoping the case to be? Because the way I saw it is CC cannot control himself when he gets overwhelmed and WSW is made to give in. He crossed many lines in the past as well. Because this show is light-hearted doesn't make his actions okay. Seeing his partner in pain and he still didn't understand why WSW was trying to avoid him and respect it or talk it out because his needs are more important to him.
When he had WSW's friend manipulate him under the threat of rape, I was trying to take it as a joke too. But the actions in the clinic were not funny to me. Even if the show tries to make it seems like WSW was okay with it, I don't have to feel good about it because if it was happening to me, I would be afraid especially of a person that can overpower me. Shows don't always depict healthy relationships so at best I can say this is one of them.
ok,tired, not gonna read all replies - a) the early on scene i agree with you, b) the todays scene you refer to…
What I can say is that I remember reading reviews of the movie 50 shades of grey (which I haven't watched nor read the source material besides a short sample) and there were a lot of criticisms about how a BDSM relationship was depicted. Those that practice BDSM felt the relationship was abusive and problematic even though that is not how the female character perceived it and went along willingly. For me WSW not having a problem with it is also a problem. I know this show is supposed to be light-hearted but lack of consent shouldn't be turned into comedy IMO. I understand all of CC's emotions and they are valid but this show is trying to downplay WSW's feelings by making him fake angry or CC would come across as a rapist which he seems to take lightly (based on his earlier actions). So as you said, this episode did trigger something in me sand brought up other emotions I felt from his past actions. Even if I go along with what everyone is saying, there still seems to be the fact that CC seems to lose control a lot when he becomes overwhelmed and that itself is very unhealthy.
All chi cheng’s actions are wrong, I’ve been saying it all the time, ever since the beginning he forced a…
I have also been reading him as a red flag. The whole dynamic would be a lot worse if it was with a man-woman pairing but I've been trying to ignore it since they are two men even though WSW is no match for CC. There are a lot of boundaries that Chi Cheng crossed even before today's episode but eventually he held back after a certain point. I was just not enjoying today's episode. I didn't even find him being unable to walk funny. I thought Chi Cheng would be more understanding after that. It turned out to be opposite. They brushed it under the rugnas well. I don't know how it is in the book but I was disappointed with how it unfolded in the drama.
I've seen the post that said that the author of the original novel (Chai Ji Dan) now thinks of her novel as problematic,…
Yes, exactly! He said he can force himself on anyone but WSW. That's good that the author understands the problem with her character. I feel like the show could have made further changes. Anyway, not ignoring that the show is entertaining. This is just something I have a hard time with. Basically anything rape, SA related makes me feel uneasy. I also did not find it funny that WSW was in pain the morning and could not walk or sit. Makes sense that he would want to avoid CC after that,
But that's the thing. He IS problematic. Very problematic as a matter of fact. He's also caring towards the ones…
They can be many things but forced sex is traumatic and abusive. It feels conflicting. CC is someone who claims to understand what he is doing and still does it. And I'm finding it hard to digest since I'm supposed to be rooting for these two. It's one thing for it to be rough which it might have been the first time. But at least it was consensual. I don't know if they plan to address these issues.
I won't call that "censoring" because the whole series would be lmfao. They just have a different style…
That's why I said, this is already bold for China and I don't just mean today's episode. Even showing the two masturbating is not something we normally see in dramas let alone Chinese ones. I think they've done well without being too explicit actually. Plus the main thing is that the plot is interesting. Hopefully it maintains what it has built up with typical tropes. But you make a fair point about each country having their own style. Revenged Love definitely feels fresh for that reason.
One of the reasons I have an issue is in real life many toxic people deny rape because they claim the men were seduced either because of a woman flirting, how she dressed, just for going over to the man's place, just for accepting a ride, just for being in a club, just for being out late at night, etc. They deny rape because a woman didn't verbally say no, didn't resist hard enough, etc etc. Besides that people mock male victims of rape.
So when I see a drama where a man is clearly resisting and telling his partner no but his partner is overpowering him, that sets off alarm bells in my head.
Was WSW wrong for trying to seduce CC? Most definitely. Was he wrong for lying? Of course. But it still doesn't mean he deserves to be forced.
I don't know if this is a BDSM couple or it is just CC who might be into BDSM. I haven't read the book so I didn't really make any presumption about them. But from what I understand about those that practice BDSM is they always have a safe word so that the other partner clearly understands when they have to stop versus when it is playing a role. From what was depicted, CC and WSW have not at all discussed their personal sexual preferences because WSW is still trying to accept himself and his sexuality just for being attracted to CC. So it makes sense that his fears or concerns lie beyond the act of sex. In this circumstance, it is natural for him to feel shame and even more so for being caught in the act. And CC forcing him before he has come to terms with his sexuality, is also terrible.
I am not sure what the drama age gap is like but if it is anything like their real life age gap and just based on CC's experience (not only with sex but also have been in a long-term relationship), CC should have been the one to take the lead into discussing WSW's insecurities. But they clearly do not know how to communicate with each other.
My take away is that this is a very unhealthy relationship and even abusive relationship even if WSW (nor CC) don't recognise it as such and it should be okay to call it that. In real life, many people put up with abuse because they don't know what a healthy relationship looks like. That is what I get from WSW.
Also, I don't deny that this show is entertaining. It is well made and I am happy this show exists and hopefully it is just the first of many for China.
I don't know how the rest of the drama will go but if they managed to tone down their character flaws from the book then I do hope they work on their communication as well because I would like to root for this pairing.
Apologies for the long message from my end as well or for being too repetitive. Hope you can understand why I am critical of CC's actions.
Now if they show CC getting angry because of WSW's initial motivation of approaching him, i'll be even more pissed off because that is nothing compared to this,
That's very problematic.
Again, just because the show turned it into a comedy doesn't mean I have to find it funny.
When he had WSW's friend manipulate him under the threat of rape, I was trying to take it as a joke too. But the actions in the clinic were not funny to me. Even if the show tries to make it seems like WSW was okay with it, I don't have to feel good about it because if it was happening to me, I would be afraid especially of a person that can overpower me. Shows don't always depict healthy relationships so at best I can say this is one of them.
For me WSW not having a problem with it is also a problem. I know this show is supposed to be light-hearted but lack of consent shouldn't be turned into comedy IMO. I understand all of CC's emotions and they are valid but this show is trying to downplay WSW's feelings by making him fake angry or CC would come across as a rapist which he seems to take lightly (based on his earlier actions).
So as you said, this episode did trigger something in me sand brought up other emotions I felt from his past actions. Even if I go along with what everyone is saying, there still seems to be the fact that CC seems to lose control a lot when he becomes overwhelmed and that itself is very unhealthy.
But you make a fair point about each country having their own style. Revenged Love definitely feels fresh for that reason.