I've seen the post that said that the author of the original novel (Chai Ji Dan) now thinks of her novel as problematic,…
Thank you! I didn't find WSW being in pain funny at all. It showed me that CC didn't take WSW's lack of experience into consideration at all. As you mentioned, I would have thought they would have used lubrication and he would have taken it easy but does that is not something CC cares about as long as he gets his pleasure. No wonder WSW was running and hiding from him. Frankly, WSW had a real reason to be angry. They just downplayed it all for the sake of CC's image. CC's behaviour in this situation is really a nightmare for me. It brings up a lot of real life issues and cases for me so it is hard to ignore. Now if they show CC getting angry because of WSW's initial motivation of approaching him, i'll be even more pissed off because that is nothing compared to this,
I've seen the post that said that the author of the original novel (Chai Ji Dan) now thinks of her novel as problematic,…
This! Other people are making it seem like it's okay. That doesn't make it okay for me. I can't get rid of my discomfort. In a healthy relationship CC would have sat down with WSW and gone over his concerns as to how they can make it pleasurable for him so he isn't in pain and terrified of the next time it happens. People downplaying this is making me annoyed.
Aside from CC being a problematic character, we've all seen throughout the series that CC quits when WSW doesn't…
So you're saying no doesn't always mean no? That's very problematic. Again, just because the show turned it into a comedy doesn't mean I have to find it funny.
Aside from CC being a problematic character, we've all seen throughout the series that CC quits when WSW doesn't…
Are you sure he wouldn't have moved in on him or that's just what you're hoping the case to be? Because the way I saw it is CC cannot control himself when he gets overwhelmed and WSW is made to give in. He crossed many lines in the past as well. Because this show is light-hearted doesn't make his actions okay. Seeing his partner in pain and he still didn't understand why WSW was trying to avoid him and respect it or talk it out because his needs are more important to him.
When he had WSW's friend manipulate him under the threat of rape, I was trying to take it as a joke too. But the actions in the clinic were not funny to me. Even if the show tries to make it seems like WSW was okay with it, I don't have to feel good about it because if it was happening to me, I would be afraid especially of a person that can overpower me. Shows don't always depict healthy relationships so at best I can say this is one of them.
ok,tired, not gonna read all replies - a) the early on scene i agree with you, b) the todays scene you refer to…
What I can say is that I remember reading reviews of the movie 50 shades of grey (which I haven't watched nor read the source material besides a short sample) and there were a lot of criticisms about how a BDSM relationship was depicted. Those that practice BDSM felt the relationship was abusive and problematic even though that is not how the female character perceived it and went along willingly. For me WSW not having a problem with it is also a problem. I know this show is supposed to be light-hearted but lack of consent shouldn't be turned into comedy IMO. I understand all of CC's emotions and they are valid but this show is trying to downplay WSW's feelings by making him fake angry or CC would come across as a rapist which he seems to take lightly (based on his earlier actions). So as you said, this episode did trigger something in me sand brought up other emotions I felt from his past actions. Even if I go along with what everyone is saying, there still seems to be the fact that CC seems to lose control a lot when he becomes overwhelmed and that itself is very unhealthy.
All chi cheng’s actions are wrong, I’ve been saying it all the time, ever since the beginning he forced a…
I have also been reading him as a red flag. The whole dynamic would be a lot worse if it was with a man-woman pairing but I've been trying to ignore it since they are two men even though WSW is no match for CC. There are a lot of boundaries that Chi Cheng crossed even before today's episode but eventually he held back after a certain point. I was just not enjoying today's episode. I didn't even find him being unable to walk funny. I thought Chi Cheng would be more understanding after that. It turned out to be opposite. They brushed it under the rugnas well. I don't know how it is in the book but I was disappointed with how it unfolded in the drama.
I've seen the post that said that the author of the original novel (Chai Ji Dan) now thinks of her novel as problematic,…
Yes, exactly! He said he can force himself on anyone but WSW. That's good that the author understands the problem with her character. I feel like the show could have made further changes. Anyway, not ignoring that the show is entertaining. This is just something I have a hard time with. Basically anything rape, SA related makes me feel uneasy. I also did not find it funny that WSW was in pain the morning and could not walk or sit. Makes sense that he would want to avoid CC after that,
But that's the thing. He IS problematic. Very problematic as a matter of fact. He's also caring towards the ones…
They can be many things but forced sex is traumatic and abusive. It feels conflicting. CC is someone who claims to understand what he is doing and still does it. And I'm finding it hard to digest since I'm supposed to be rooting for these two. It's one thing for it to be rough which it might have been the first time. But at least it was consensual. I don't know if they plan to address these issues.
I won't call that "censoring" because the whole series would be lmfao. They just have a different style…
That's why I said, this is already bold for China and I don't just mean today's episode. Even showing the two masturbating is not something we normally see in dramas let alone Chinese ones. I think they've done well without being too explicit actually. Plus the main thing is that the plot is interesting. Hopefully it maintains what it has built up with typical tropes. But you make a fair point about each country having their own style. Revenged Love definitely feels fresh for that reason.
I have some criticism regarding today's episode. This isn't the first time we have seen Chi Cheng be forceful with WSW but forcefully having sex with him in the clinic was not what I expected. Especially since it is clear that WSW was nervous for the first time and then he was in pain afterwards. The show could have used this as a teaching moment on how to be gentle. On top of that WSW learning he was manipulated into it. He should have actually been angry about all this and not just pretending to be angry.
WSW has also lied to CC but it doesn't seem to compare.
There was another scene early on in the drama where CC leaves some guy to be raped by his men. Of course, they don't say rape but they wanted to have fun with him and the man was begging CC not to. Just before leaving he instructs his man not to let them kill the guy. Unless there is serious problems with the subtitles, this is quite problematic.
I'm not sure why such choices were made for this character but it's making him come across like a very problematic person despite them showing him to be extremely caring in other ways.
I am wondering why people thought there would be an NC scene in this episode. Considering it's China, the scenes are already quite bold. I don't think it needs one either. Just want to know where this rumour came from?
I have a question. Can someone explain what happened between Chi Cheng, his ex and Guo Cheng Yu? They explained…
What I understood is Chi Cheng and his ex were together 3 years then Guo Cheng Yu slept with him and so they now go after each other's lovers? Is this right? Is there more to it? Why is Guo Cheng Yu also keeping snakes?
People are complaining wayyy too much about certain scenes, not being like the leaked clips. Only a few months…
I know you're not seriously advocating for that site but genuinely as a PSA no one should use PH as they upload nonconsensual videos, revenge porn, minor videos, etc and refuse to take them down at the request of the people in the videos. So please avoid it like the plague.
Now if they show CC getting angry because of WSW's initial motivation of approaching him, i'll be even more pissed off because that is nothing compared to this,
That's very problematic.
Again, just because the show turned it into a comedy doesn't mean I have to find it funny.
When he had WSW's friend manipulate him under the threat of rape, I was trying to take it as a joke too. But the actions in the clinic were not funny to me. Even if the show tries to make it seems like WSW was okay with it, I don't have to feel good about it because if it was happening to me, I would be afraid especially of a person that can overpower me. Shows don't always depict healthy relationships so at best I can say this is one of them.
For me WSW not having a problem with it is also a problem. I know this show is supposed to be light-hearted but lack of consent shouldn't be turned into comedy IMO. I understand all of CC's emotions and they are valid but this show is trying to downplay WSW's feelings by making him fake angry or CC would come across as a rapist which he seems to take lightly (based on his earlier actions).
So as you said, this episode did trigger something in me sand brought up other emotions I felt from his past actions. Even if I go along with what everyone is saying, there still seems to be the fact that CC seems to lose control a lot when he becomes overwhelmed and that itself is very unhealthy.
But you make a fair point about each country having their own style. Revenged Love definitely feels fresh for that reason.
WSW has also lied to CC but it doesn't seem to compare.
There was another scene early on in the drama where CC leaves some guy to be raped by his men. Of course, they don't say rape but they wanted to have fun with him and the man was begging CC not to. Just before leaving he instructs his man not to let them kill the guy. Unless there is serious problems with the subtitles, this is quite problematic.
I'm not sure why such choices were made for this character but it's making him come across like a very problematic person despite them showing him to be extremely caring in other ways.
Details would be appreciated.