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The first episode didn't really interest me more than confuse me, but then it got better and although it isn't the best series out there, I thought it was pretty good. Unlike other bl's at least it tried to tackle some issues ie. parental neglect/pressure, safe sex etc. And all the characters did grow eventually.. after the trillion misunderstandings they all had. So sure it was a bit silly but I don't get why it's disliked as much as it is?

Okay but the scene wasn't even real (or at least we don't know how much of it was) so how could it be representative of their trust? We already established that MR deeply trusts LC and would allow LC to see him at his most vulnerable from the scene where he was calling out for him, and then the whole undressing bathroom bit. If the writers wanted to illustrate this trust more then we would have seen a scene where MR asks LC to help him out or something, and then the dream sequence would have occurred in a way less sensual, natural-lighted way. But the dream that LC had was very clearly meant to illustrate how the way he thinks of MR has changed. He imagined a scenario where he helped MR in a low lit, steamy, red tinted room; the only reason for this would be to show he was aroused. Also MR was in different clothes which shows it was probably a dream. So I don't get how a scene that didn't actually happen can show how 'LC trusts MR completely'?

No I think LC was in the bathroom, because knowing how dangerous it can be when someones drugged, I don't think he would've left MR alone.
But yes he probably just glimpsed what was happening, and because he was aroused and now sees MR in a different light he had the dream.

Okay personally I'm really enjoying Li Cheng and Mu Rens' story. At first I thought I wouldn't like it because of the whole fujoshi plot. I thought it would be a bunch of fake moments until one time while they were pretending to like each other, they'd stare into each others eyes, romantic music would start playing and wHaM.. they'd suddenly develop "feelings". But interestingly I think the fj plot is just there so Mei Fang and the boss can point out the feelings Li Cheng already had. And I don't mind that. I like the way the plots kinda changed from the fujoshis just being fujoshis, to them being a source for Li Cheng to question his emotions. I also like how LC's character has developed. It was nice to see that he isn't just the unserious 'funny' guy, but someone who really proactively cares for his friends. The way he accepted Xing Si and stayed with MR throughout the whole incident was great.

It's disappointing though how after such a serious scene there were yet again no real consequences for the perpetrator, and how MR dealt with everything was glossed over. I understand this is supposedly a comedy series and MR is meant to be this really strong character but still. Also the romanticising in the bathroom scene was weird. I know it was a dream (probably meant to tackle LC realising for the first time that he's aroused by MR) but the writers putting that in takes away from the seriousness of what happened.

Other than that I still strongly dislike Yong Jie. I feel sympathy for him and want him to get help.. but there's no excusing what he did. He may be socially inept, but he obviously isn't socially unaware, since he already acknowledged that he knows what he does is wrong. So even though its probably futile, I hope he doesn't end up with XS. He needs to learn that XS isn't entitled to match the type of love he has for him just because he desperately wants him to.

I think it's because the clothed scene is Licheng's dream, that's why we saw him waking up shocked. In reality, he was in the room while Mu Ren was doing stuff, but I don't think he was involved like in the dream.

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I agree, I really liked his acting in UWMA, that's why I'm thinking here it might be the character direction too. But who knows, maybe its just easier for him to play a character who's normally cold than one who's overly sweet like Nubsib is.

If this series pulls a YYY and reveals Nubsib's an alien, I honestly won't be surprised lol. I don't know if it's intentional or just weird directing/acting, but sometimes Nubsib just doesn't seem like a person to me? More a caricature of one.

Anyways, this episode was kind of confusing, and I really want to know if there's more to Gene's reaction than meets the eye or not. I mean I understand he's an introvert and also really defensive, but it just seemed like he was really overreacting. Also, I kinda hate the bad communication trope. I get it adds more drama but it's so frustrating, and this one was the worst I've seen. Like Nubisb could have literally recounted his whole life story in the 5 hours they spent staring at each other... honestly the whole scene just reminded me of how thankful I am for characters like Ae (LBC) and Vlad (GSP), who waste no time explaining themselves to avoid conflict.

Side note: Mork is so intriguing, I really want to see more of him. And Tum is a fashion icon.

The production quality is so pretty I really like it! Imo the story is going by a bit fast though and the scenes are really abrupt (I hope this was just done so they could introduce all the characters and plot they wanted in the first ep, and from now we slow down a bit). But so far it's interesting, and love all the actors.

Exactly, everyone is entitled to their opinions and as long as their not harmful it shouldn't be a problem. And it would be boring if we all thought the same anyways. Also same, sometimes I misunderstand due to cultural differences so its interesting to hear from other people.
But yes, I appreciate the discussion too!

I totally would as well. I don't like violence at all, I'd much rather someone defend me with words or a conversation if necessary. And jumping to violence or revenge straight away is sort of a red flag; I guess it makes the plot more dramatic though.
Yeah the different storylines definitely clash, honestly though I'm just glad the HIStory franchise didn't end because of all the controversy last year, so I'll watch no matter how weird it gets haha. I'm glad we think the same though; this feels like one of the calmest discussions in this comment section lol

That's true I didn't agree with Li Cheng successively punching him till he fell down. If they really had to have the fight it should have ended with one punch.

It still irks me that he doesn't think what he did was wrong though. I get him wanting to appease his brother and restore harmony, but I want him to take responsibility for his actions too. He does need to be treated with compassion but that doesn't mean I'll overlook that he needs to be compassionate to others as well. But yes since he has his own troubles, as of now that may be difficult, but as the series develops I hope his character does too.

Also it's important to note that he stated he will only apologise after they fight, even though Li Cheng conceded and said "one day they will fight fair and square". And Mu Ren was the one who stated "adults shouldn't be petty" and tried to help Yong Jie. So I don't see Mu Ren as the antagonist at all. Also I don't think Mu Ren was revelling in Yong Jie being beaten up, but the fact Li Cheng cares for him. But I get where you're coming from.

That's true he made somewhat of an attempt but I don't think he was sincere. He was clearly only doing it so his brother wouldn't be disappointed and he even stated so; which seeing as he's the one in the wrong, is ridiculous. I don't know I just feel like he lacks empathy with everyone but his brother, and I absolutely hate that trope. If they decide to go further and address mental health then that's different, but there's a difference between struggling with forming attachments with others and just being an ass; right now he simply seems like the latter. As their story develops I hope I can maybe understand and sympathise with his character more though. And yes I totally get the "fourth wall" thing; I wish they'd done it consistently from the start though because it felt so random. I can totally see them dropping it with no explanation too.

I agree the two contrasting storylines seem so weird to put together. If the show was focused on one of the couples ie the brothers, I think I'd have less of a problem with how complex they are. But I feel like there won't be proper character resolution because they keep trying to switch between these two opposing plots

Thoughts so far: this series is somehow better and worse than I anticipated.

Although it isn't ideal, the fujoshi storyline doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would (except for when Mei Fang takes photos of them *eyeroll*). The main cp are cute and I can see something there. But the step-brothers... I don't think I'll be able to support them ever... Even if we put the incest and I guess age difference aside, the younger brother is just not it. Especially after what he did this episode. And he really had the audacity to not apologise. Also Li Cheng keeps looking at the camera... why?

Overall though I somewhat like the show so far, its kind of funny and lighthearted everytime that one brother isn't on the screen. I think if you don't compare it to the HIStory 3's and don't take it too seriously its way more enjoyable.

adding onto things to enjoy, I also like teng mu ren's trenchcoat collection

No problem and yes that would be very weird/bad.

NC is an abbreviation of “no children”. It refers to age restricted content normally of a sexual nature.

I would hope most viewers who ask for lots of NC scenes don’t mean non consensual!

I'm pretty sure that's purposefully done as a lot of this series is a parody. So either she is a parody of the typical overzealous fujoshi type characters in bl's or she's a parody of a real person in the industry and its shade. Either way I don't think she's meant to feel normal or natural, because a lot of what she pushes gene to do/write is what's under criticism in the show. Her weirdness kind of emphasises the absurdity of some of her requests. At least that's how I see it

Haha thanks I try. Also love your name

Thank you thank you *hair swish* I really put my heart and soul into it so I'm glad you appreciate it *fake cries*