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I have a question about Thee's reference of "lemur". Is there some wordplay or a significance of this word in Thai language/culture?

In EP9 I thought it was just a random word, but I started rewatching the series, and in EP1 when Peach saves Aran from Thee's men, Thee says "don't think you can get away from me, my little lemur". Or is it just a nickname he gave Aran in his mind?

>On a different note: does it really de-escalate an abusive person's stress? An abusive person doesn't need an excuse to hit someone or verbally attack someone. They don't think anything they do is wrong anyway.

May I ask you how do you the connection here? Do you think that if the act of violence de-escalates an abusive person's stress then it would be OK that they use that as an outlet, or that then it would be OK to endure their outbursts? I think these are 2 separate things but I am confused as what other connection could be put in here.

To your previous point, I cannot tell you how long in my life I wanted to have an access to a rage room, and how often I wanted to scream with all my might. In my case, I know a satisfaction of hitting somthing with all my might, as I played tennis professionally, but after I quit it, I no longer had it in my life anymore so I longed for it long and hard. I can really empathise with the emotion you described, and I wish you very much to find the ways that will allow you to express and feel your anger in a healthy way, without bottling it inside.

As for me, the research on this then also becoming a pattern made me reflect on it. As of now, I think that screaming and hitting things different things. I gotta say, as a woman, it is very hard to assess difference of various angry ir frustrated behaviors because all of them are socially tabooed, and when this taboo is already established, everything behid the line gets the same color and the same weight. But there is a difference there as well.

I finished the series and I am sitting with a wide grin on my face.
It was such a pure joy, fun, loud laughter and occasional blush of a series.
They managed to deliver a lifetime of cringe with such sincerity that it was no longer cringe and yet it stays so funny.
Thank you everyone who worked on this series, it is a gem.

@pjsart I used to this the same way as you do.

But there has been a research that showed how this not only de-escalates the stress, but makes a person letting rage out this way get accustomed to violence - it is then easier to hit a person as well.

And letting rage out on human beings also de-escalates stress for those who engage in abusive behaviors, for example.

I get your take on it, and some more clarity indeed would be helpful.
When I think of P'Nuchy's works though, I think that part of her artistic language, especially when it comes to the character's emotions, is very subtle. For example, I realized that Koh is strongly drawn to Jira from the get go only after rewatching the series - in the points like him not only drinking wine that Jira left covered by the book, but also purposefully turning it so that to touch the same spot where Jira's lips were.

We also need to remember that all characters are in a state of burnout. It is not uncommon to start behaving "strangely" at this time. He is drawn in by the feeling that he finally can be healed. He has no idea why. But the hard part in those situations is "why not", because it feels like you then deny oxygen for healing to yourself.

I see I am not the only one thinking the culprit is the doctor.

Generally, I get the Thee dramatic music and Peach calm music vibes from this series - murder mystery and romance live their own lives in the same space 😄

Pheem describes himself as very logical. Giving in to your emotions for the first time can come to this kind of fever dreams I guess. One can't jump over the development stages, and unfortunately, learning to process the pain and heartbreak is a part of it.

yes to all you've said.

Only I don't hate his needy for love character, as people pleasing and fear of abandonment are part of me, so this emotion resonates with me. He loves for the first time, and it is like having a typically childhood sickness in an adult age - it is much harder.

But he has a good friend by his side who tells him all that sad truth and stands by him. So he has a chance to learn.

It is absolutely irrelevant for the matter of love, you are correct. I think there is a whole number of things coming together here:

- it shows Pheem's way of thinking, where love is a prize for achievments
- it is an echo of his life long competition with Koh - and the fact that he never won against Koh in anything and he hates Koh, but also himself for that
- it is a desperate attempt to reason and negotiate his way out of a pain of broken heart, which never works

I felt heartbroken for his obvious helplessness in the face of his weaknesses and pains.

At the same time this does not mean I think he and Jira should get together. That adds my pain for Pheem's pain, as last time a man broke my heart, it took me years and years to heal.

But I see how this would not be a good relationship. Pheem was never honest before, so we haven't really seen them having even a glipmse of an actual relationship till now. They are hot together, but Pheem was never honest about himself, so it did not click.

I shivered for Jira understanding and knowing how Pheem's behavior is very, very coinciding with the first showings of violence in abusive behaviors.

Then again, Jira gets inspired by messiness of human nature. The way he cried and drew was so, so beautiful. My applauses to Gun.

I trust P'Nuchy to tell a meaningful story :)

Preach!

Off is majestic, he is so real in every scene, even more so when he has no lines.

How can I admire him and dislike his character so much at the same time?

Looking at Koh, I wonder how I could sympathise with killers but I cannot find the same kind of sympathy towards a rich guy leading the AI expansion.

Him admitting that he used to have fun playing with people's feelings really appaled me.

Rage room scene Dew was magnificent. I noticed how scared Jira was, how brave and how honest. Each time he flinched, I narrowed my eyes - nobody deserves to feel unsafe in another person's presense.

And I could not take my eyes away from Pheem, finally - finally! - telling the truth. Not the redacted version of himself and his feelings, but the honest response to falling in love for the first time. We learn how he actually views that feeling - it is about being pathetic and not getting what he wants (another red flag: what he feels entitled to).

But it is this honesty that finally breaks the emotional barrier between him and Jira, and Jira's charcoal is finally flying over the canvas to capture what he sees. It is what Pheem wanted to hide and not show to Jira that opens up a connection - and maybe an answer as to whether Jira can be romantically attached to Pheem as well as he cares for him.

I felt touched and pained at how Pheem listed his achievments. He used it as some sort of shield that cannot save him and does not protect him from the pain of unrequited love.

It is dangerous and unsafe, though, as it does border with entitlement, and I am very glad that Pheem has such a friend as Mawin, who keeps it real while obviously caring for him. He will need him to come back up from that rock bottom. I hope he takes Mawin's advice to take time for himself.

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nah, if they are all red flags, they do deserve each other 😄

And yeah - Aran and Tawan should NOT move in together. Letting a person with an obssessive fixation and tendency to violence live together with you is a horrible idea. Tawan will never leave, no matter how Aran might want him to at some point.

First image of Thee's face in the episode and I burst out laughing, knowing that something is coming 😂

Yes - and Jira feels it, which made him freeze already 3 times at the moments where they could connect.

Wooh, what and episode. What an amazing performance from everyone involved.

It is painful how Jira wants to be as honest as possible and to care for his own best interests, and how all the things that matter for that are in conflict with one another - and how the one thing that keeps him next to Koh inflicts a wound on all the other parts of himself.

It is touching albeit worrysome to see Pheem processing being in love for the first time, going at it in a wrong way - haven't we all found ourselves on that path, perhaps many times in our lives? People pleasing and molding ourselfes into someone that people will stay with?

It is sorrowful to see how again and again, a person with the most power in the room inflicts the same kind of trauma on the people close to him as he himself had to sustain and did not heal - in Koh's case it is a broken trust.

People heal people, yet all these wounds can be healed with a proper distance from one another and some healing done apart from one another.

I agree with your points on impact of Koh's actions - he broke many things (including, thankfully, the things that kept Pheem attached to him).

One thing I want to disagree with was that he knew that the answer would be Iris. He had 3 tries - and he took guesses using the flowers that were on Jira's paintings of him. Last episode he learned that one of them was tulips (and not roses, as he falsely assumed), so he started with them. Having both flowers prepared he learned that it were irises - and then he called the butler to decorate his room with the "correct" flowers.

So he did not know that these were irises from the start. It does not make his actions less diabilical in the big picture, of course.