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Okay okay, now I understand, but no, that's not what I meant, I wasn't talking about a general development, I was referring to her as a character, anyway, it may be that only I perceive her that way, very static, since her powers were sealed she has been trapped in the illusion of "BJS doesn't love me" and "BJS is to blame for everything" although someone told me in the comments that she had accepted the blame she had in all that mess, but I really can't remember a scene like that, even in episode 27, after knowing the truth, she says "everything I suffered was because of him" Well, to be honest, his good intentions did make things worse.

XJS has been shown possessing 3 different bodies, I guess that's how he did everything, not sure, his plan started when BJS was in prison, so HRY started being manipulated from the moment she was trapped as a mortal onwards, not before, that's what I understood.

I guess between the two of us, it just comes down to taste. I loved MM, one of my favorite dramas from my queen Bai Lu, I can't count the number of times I've seen the scene where she finds out he's going to die and kisses him crying during the proposal, top top

I agree and disagree with what you say, it is based on misunderstandings, but I would not have done the same, when BJS asked her not to leave with the grandson, she should have stayed, why? because at that point her actions no longer affected her, she knew that BJS was covering up his crimes, which made him guilty too, even so she left, created all that chaos and ended up resentful with him

" BJS had no right to make decisions on her behalf " agree, this just made the mess a lot of worse, and if he was going to do it, he should at least explain it to her, not act like he was the bad one, who hurt her physically by sealing her, also leaving an emotional wound.

Both made decisions that affected the other without consulting them, putting what they wanted first, but they didn't consider the damage they would cause. She ended up resentful, turning a blind eye to her own mistakes, and he was resentful because he didn't understand any of the hatred she had and why she was doing all of that.

I didnt said the drama was about development, i said that i didnt lke Hua Ruyue because she feels like a static chraracter in terms of development, but to be hoenst, i don't understand what you mean when you said this drama isn't about development, its a fact that every drama its about development, every drama has a plot, wich has a main conflict, a non developing drama will not present any significant advancement or development in the plot, characters, or main conflict. Everything would remain stuck in the same situation in which it started, what would be the point of doing this? the plot needs development, and so the characters. if not the feud will stays as it was and the beggining, he living in the nine heavens and she in her sect. development its not about they being together as a couple, its about their grudges, for better or for worse

As for the plot holes, let's just say I exaggerated with "a lot"

I know, but, it's like they talk for everything, except for what really matters, that is, her making decisions that would affect them both, and him saving her and receiving punishments and tortures without telling her anything 😐, if you see her criying at least tell her why u r doing it, they are all like “why did you do this ? why did you do that”., and they both only confess when they are caught or exposed

The problem when you like an actress a lot, is that, even if you don't like the drama, you have a feeling that makes you want to watch it, I didn't like this character of Hau Ruyue so far, too static, I feel that she hasn't developed, I like the plot of the drama, but I feel that it has a lot of plot holes, and that makes me feel that the grudge between them, has basis, but they are not strong if you think rationally.

for the personalities they have, I think it is quite logical that she does not have a job as a god, Baijuesi is according to Hua Ruyue the personification of a god in terms of behavior, but she is impulsive and hot headed, if she had a job like Bai Juesi, she would have already started a war against the heavens for how they treat humans hahaha.

I believe that most of the problems would not have existed if they had communicated properly, her creating problems on the sly by saving humans from their fate, and him saving her without telling her of the consequences of her actions.

I still feel the same way thought😂

both are guilty of what happened to her son, but she started it all, thats why im saying that weak and biased, she blames him alone when she was the one who set it all in motion, he made it worse by wanting to save her from punishment, maybe he should have let her be punished, but that could have left her completely broken and maybe the baby would not have been even born, but he chose to play the hero without explaining anything, that was the worst mistake, she is guilty too, wanting to play the hero against the will of the heavens, which we already saw that they are much more powerful, bending Bai Juesi as if nothing in combat and her at the same time.

I don't remember a part where she has accepted her faults, in which episode was it? the only thing I remember is her blaming Bi Juesi, even in the last episode I saw today.

I understand that you see the heavens as a reasonable entity, but I see them as rigid and cold, thats why i think, Would he have pitied her? the emissary has shown himself as a rigid guy in the whole drama, who gives in only when offered something of equal or better value, it is likely that he would not have pitied her, because for the heavens the most important thing is the law, literally almost killed beaten Bai Juesi and then punished him, the most important figure, the guardian of the nine heavens torturing him daily for 10 years, I find it difficult that he would have pitied her, because for the heavens every being has a destiny and must be fulfilled without interference, the most likely is that he would have said that it was the destiny of that child not to be born or something like that, as neither blinked whenHua Ruyue spoke of the famine and the indiscriminate slaughter caused by the dragon, babies, children dying of starvation, etc.

I see that you don't have the intellectual capacity to see beyond the fact that her son died, yes it is painful, but that doesn't justify turning a blind eye to your own mistakes, of course she is partly to blame and that makes her attitude irrational and unjustified, because she blames Bai Juesi but she doesn't see that she caused everything, even more with today's chapter, she doesn't behave like a god, she behaves like an immature girl, even knowing that there are more powerful beings above her that are watching, even so she decided to go against the heavens knowing the consequences, and when the consequences came, the only thing she did was to blame the others, she promised him that she would no longer interfere with the fate of humans, and then she went and saved the grandson of the butler, ok, but even so it was not enough for her, she decided to go with him (even when he was already safe) even when
Bai Juesi asked her not to leave, not content with all the disaster she had already caused, she helped to kill the dragon, who had made merits with the heavens to return to his homeland, she had the opportunity to stop, but she made the irreversible mistake when she went on a trip with the grandson, do you think that an unborn baby would have endured 99 thunderclaps a day for 5 months and still be born? when it was already draining the life force of Hua Ruye ? the fate of the baby was sealed even before birth, and all forged by the recklessness of his actions, it is not my fault that you do not have the ability to see beyond the emotional guilt that want to convey, you can only give an emotional opinion and non-objective opinion.

I'm sorry to say it, but I still think the same, and with what they revealed today, I think it even more strongly, she has been reckless, arrogant and naive, and he, too, he has been a fool in love, wanting to play the silent hero without thinking of the consequences.

she acted without thinking about the consequences, believing that she could bear the punishment, if Bai Juesi had not received the punishment for her, she would have received 99 thunders daily for 10 years, and the baby for 5 months, do you think the baby would have been born anyway? She was arrogant, blaming others when she was the one who make that mess, and he was dumb, if you are making her suffer, at least explain her why, do not play the martyr hero

Wise words friend, I think the main problem in this drama is that everyone acted in ignorance of the consequences, Bai Juesi hiding what he did for her, Hua Ruyue, contradicting the law of heaven because she knew the consequences but not the real weight when the punishments were carried out.

Not saying its ok, but, i think they are, because she caused everything by wanting to play God (the heavens in this case) and he by wanting to play the martyr hero who suffers in silence for love(due you are alrady making her suffer, just explain her why), even if they had good intentions, that does not exempt them from the consequences of their own actions. Maybe if they were the heavens themselfs, but they were not.

Exactly, pride and pain won't let her admit it, she just wants to have someone to blame without taking her share of the responsibility.

Of course she is partly to blame, just like BJS for acting without explaining to her that he was also suffering the consequences of her rebellion, it's simple, it all originated because she acted against the rules, even knowing the consequences, if she would have stopped the child would have been born with BJS and HRY being together, but she was used to do what she wanted without consequences just because BJS always covered her “crimes” if he didn't seal her powers, as I said before, she was going to be punished, we already saw in today's episode that she was going to receive a punishment of 10 years being hit 99 times by lightning daily, do you think the baby would have been born enduring 99 lightning daily for 5 months ? the destiny of that baby was sealed before it was born, if BJS did not receive the punishment instead of her, maybe it would not even have been born, and everything was originated by the soft side she had towards humans, yes, she is free to oppose the law of the heavens if she wants, but she can not blame others when she suffers the consequences of her own acts.

I totally agree, that was one of the worst mistakes he made, deciding for her without consulting her, and even worse, staying silent, if you are already making her suffer, explain to her why.

I understand where you are coming from, I had that opinion for a short time, but I'll tell you why I discarded it.

" Saying she won't do it again was just to ease his worry but it was going against her nature. And that never was going to last."

that's manipulation, that's lying to get out of a tight spot by promising something you won't deliver, and then she talks like he broke his word because he didn't want to take the same stance as her, but she doesn't take into account that she was the one who caused that by breaking her own promise to BJS.

" After that she's on a roll. So whatever good he thought he was doing for her was actually the catalyst for everything wrong that happened after "

that was not the cataclysm, everything originated because she did not stop interfering with the destiny of mortals, that was the root of the problem, she sould stop with the buttler, but she did not, Bai Jiusi had to clean up every time she did it, creating barriers to hide her spiritual energy so that the empyrians did not punish her, until she took it to another level where he could no longer hide it, even leaving him alone when he asked her not to go with the butler's grandson, who was already safe. do you remember that the envoy said he had to take Hua Ruyue to the nine heavens or whatever to punish her? it wasn't that he wanted to punish her, it was that he wanted to avoid a worse punishment.

"Anyway that's my take on it. I'll add he made no effort to understand what was important to her and like that's after hundreds of years that they were together. Like when she says it's all my fault I felt like I'm looking at some battered wife explaining why she deserved to be hit."

just like HRY said, BJS was the personification of a god, not a human, it was normal that he didn't understand that, and as we already saw no normal effort was going to make him understand, it was only possible with a superhuman effort, using a guilt trip, still, I think that makes the fact that he protected her even when he didn't share her opinion and didn't empathize with that, more valuable, but no one appreciates that, not even her, saying and swearing that he doesn't love her, I honestly don't understand why she dismisses everything good he did for her, like it was nothing, and now they use the guilt trip to give more weight to her arguments which I sincerely believe are full of double standards.

he did commit mistakes, to be honest, both of them are a mess whn it comes to make important decisions, for me the root of the problem was her, but he made it bigger by concealing her crimes over and over

its kind of a mess to be honest, she stabbed him in the heart with an artifact , and sealed him (she had her reasons for doing so, but I found them somewhat weak and biased.), I am up to date with the episodes, but I was a little disappointed with the truth, to be fair, I think his grudge is justified, I feel she caused a mess because of her rebellious personality and she blames him for not thinking the same way as her.

I also think she is just as guilty of her son's death, after all she caused all that chaos by repeatedly intervening to save the Meng Family, while Bai Jiusi had to clean up her mess, she always said “I won't do it again” and did it again, I see it as double standard, she was the first one to not keep her word, but I don't see anyone talking about it.