Eleison

I got into it after the first five episodes. :)

It's good, just dated.

This screenwriter loves to take some of her leads through a lot of growth as the drama progresses. I hope you enjoyed it!

I'm definitely crying more watching NIV 2. 😂 In NIV I didn't hate/skip the villains (I wanted to watch everything), but there are a few villains in NIV 2 I can't abide. They're awful.

Thanks for all this; very helpful!

It reminds me a bit of Russian names and rules around surnames and all the nicknames they have. 😅

I didn't want to use a chart because I was afraid it would spoil me about reveals! But gosh, it would have helped. 😅

Oh, and I like your username! :)

At least in Season 2 it's Pingjing and Pingzhang, which look quite different. After making my way through Season 2, that's the only thing I think the screenwriter could have improved about Season 1. Ease us into the names. 😅 There were way too many names/people to keep track of at the beginning of Season 1 (you almost need to keep a chart with you!). 😂

No, I'm still pretty new to Cdramas. Only seen 7 or so, the really highly rated ones. 😅 I did that with Kdramas when I got into those and worked my way down, haha.

She does soften a bit as it continues (I think they actually write her character differently as it goes--she gets more pleasant! But I hear you. She's A LOT).

And I don't think it's accurate to call her a "strong woman" (in an admirable sense), though. I din't agree with people who say she's a girl boss or things like that. She (along with the ML and his brother) are people in need of healing and restoration. None of them are good pictures of healthy or whole people. They improve and grow a lot by the end, of course, but they all have a long way to go. (As real people, they would be very hard to interact with).

That's what I kept in mind and it helped me see things differently. So neither the ML or FL in my mind are good pictures of any kind of healthy dynamic, and that allowed me to view the FL more compassionately.

Yes, everything this screenwriter does is for a purpose, but I feel like her villains in Season 2 are much harder to figure out than in Season 1. They're more of a puzzle!

Yes, very much so! But also what makes is very sad... 😭

Yes, there were definitely tears when Pingzhang died. How could I help it? 😅

Waiting for some development with Pingjing. The Emperor just died and Pingjing is back in Jinling. I know dad is going to die soon, too. Poor Pingjing!! 😭

NIV 2; finished season 1 a few weeks ago and it was incredible. Liking Season 2 a lot, too, but it's more heartbreaking. 💔

Yes, they're SO GOOD.

I visit this page every now and then just for kicks, and I continue to puzzle over where all the thoughtful people went on the Kdrama pages. (There are a few still, to be sure!)

Why is everyone on this thread (and honestly the same is true of some other Cdrama threads I've visited) so much nicer, articulate, and genial? Every time I come back it's a breath of fresh air. 🤷‍♀️

Here I actually feel like I'm seeing/talking to human beings rather than stone walls that insult people who disagree with them. 😐

I just finished Nirvana In Fire; very little romance and a male-heavy plot, but absolutely incredible as far as dramas go. Probably has risen to the rank of best drama I've ever seen (and I have seen quite a few... 😅).

Watching NIF 2 and it's also quite good and has a lot more romance. Same screenwriter, so excellently written and more endearing, precious characters.

Yes, I have noticed the hints, but he seems to think he's still doing the "right thing" but doesn't realized he's been baited--hook, line and sinker--by Pu Yang Ying. He keeps "helping" Changlin but it seems deep down he knows he's actually helping Yang Ying, right?

He doesn't seem smart enough to really be as sinister as Pu Yang Ying, though.

Also, I read one commenter who said it bothered her that she couldn't identify a reason Yang Ying had such a fixation on taking out Ping Zhang. I was wondering, is it possible Yang Ying has such a vendetta against Ping Zhang specifically because he's the antithesis of himself, especially after considering how Yang Ying murdering his own brother? He probably hates seeing what Pingjing and PinZhang have because he wasn't that person for his brother. Ping Zhang is all the things Yang Ying can never be, and maybe even feels haunted by. I don't know if that can be extrapolated, but he treated his brother so differently than Pingjing and PingZhang treat each other. I haven't quite got to PinhZhang dying or Pingjing waking up, but I know Pingjing will NOT be pleased PingZhang sacrificed himself for him.

I like that in NIV Lin Chen pointed out to Chang Su's devotees that Chang Su would never allow himself to live on if they sacrificed themselves for him. He couldn't face them dying so he could live. I wonder if Ping Zhang ever considered how Pingjing would feel if PingZhang took the hit for him? Pingjing could be inspired by his sacrifice OR, just as likely, live in bitterness and guilt...

Personally, I would rather die than wake up and find out my sister sacrificed herself for me.

😂😂😂

Did he end up winning you over in spite of his hair? 😅

The contrast of Puyang Ying and Chang Su in Episode 24 is stark. Eeek, he's so gross it hurts.

And of course Pingzhang accepts death to save Pingjing.💔 Duuuude, don't be THAT perfect. 😭