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Oh you're still talking? Sorry, I have a much more engaging conversation going on.

I totally get what you're saying. That's why I specifically mentioned Thai and Chinese, and I should've specified English when I said "West", because those are the "mainstream" industry that produced BLs, with English being, as you said, the lingua franca of the world, so you can't ignored it prevalence as well as the cultural implication since you have to translate BL from its original language to English in a way that the English speakers could understand.

And I am aware that there are other languages that I haven't even consider because I was not familiar with it, and we're not even touching on other form of literature like Drama, Poem, etc,

And yes, of course it can, as much as the target language allow it, but then again, there are already tons of translation techniques to allow a more concise translation without getting rid too much of the nuance from the original words. And this is actually why I love Chinese a lot.

For example, the main characters in Word of Honor is called Wen Ke Xing, which means "Traveler" coming home, but since his name was written using character for "Water", which was intentional because the first time he appeared was him rowing boat at a river, "traveler by water".

This is what I meant by Chinese was built for the author to be more detailed and intentional.

I feel like it's the old Muslim community out there, where the rule is "don't ask don't tell" and only the rich and powerful get to be whoever they want. And because they are in authoritarian regimes, I don't think things will change anytime soon unless the people took up arms.

I think this one has the closest vibe to Blue Canvas of Youth (not that the other recommendations are bad lol)

of course you can't your eyes would be stuck on the cave roof you live in.

I haven't read any pieces from Africa, but I have read a lot from Japanese, Thais, English, German, and some other Asian works. And I am not saying anything about those amazing pieces of works that I read are better than the other, what I am trying to say is, if we're talking about writings, Chinese literature would have a lot more depth because of their language system alone if the author cares enough to do it. I am not saying that other languages cannot do it, but Chinese literature is built to be sophisticated which is a direct result of their history and competitive literary practices.
I am strictly speaking of the writing style because each culture and language has different ways of writing, like how Indonesians/Malays love their dramatization while Thais are more straightforward"-ish," if you understand what I am saying. Chinese on the other hand, thanks to their competitive attitude in literature, thanks to their national exam, Confucianism, and just their history in general, their writing style focuses a lot on "sophistication", caring about small little details from letter characters to intertextuality, and as I said, their extensive language frameworks also built to allow author to be even more detailed and intentional with their choice of words

Because those 5 are the mainstream BLs, hello? Like, BL isn't in a huge production in the West, in case you don't know, which of course you don't. If I do think BL means gay stories, I'd list literally every series that has gay relationships in them, but I didn't. And I am not about to write a comparative study just to explain to you how BL genres work cause that would literally require me to list Shounen Ai mangas from ages ago which is too much effort for a rando on the internet.

It's bewildering that I have to explain this to someone with a literary degree, but then again, you probably got that ages ago as well, which sort of makes sense.

Oh my God. Let me make it clear what your problem is.
You think "Genre" is culturally exclusive? Have you ever heard someone said "Coming out of age Japanese" genre despite growing as a Japanese person was culturally different than the West? Why wouldn't you call "Coming of Age" genre as "Coming of Age English" then? The one with the gap in Logic is you.

What, so a genre that was "originated" from the West like "coming of age" should be applied to the East as "Coming of Age", but a genre that is popularized by the "East" like BL cannot be applied to the West, like make it make sense. We are literally in 2024, Globalization is a thing from years ago, get out of your cave.

Who said anything about adapted being a book made it BL? I was literally saying that Western BL has been a thing for a while before it was hitting mainstream media from the films it was adapted from? And LGBTQI works is literally an umbrella terms which other genres are included it in.

Oh, I used English just because people are more familiar with it, Young Royals and SKAM existed years ago as well. And if you have literary degree then you should've known that just because the language is different, the literary elements to which you objectively asses a work of literary is not different. I am Asian who grew up reading Asian books and studied English literature, so yeah, I have empirical experience on it.


let's be honest, "Gap in logic" just you being butthurt that you can't even fathom the basic concept of "Literary Elements is the same in every language and culture". That or you're just bad at literature.

China had already negates their history even before the cultural revolution, but their literature remain the strongest

Bruh, where are you living recently? In a cave? Heartstopper was adapted from a comic, Red White and Royal Blue was adapted from a novel, and literally Wattpad filled with English bl, and i am not even counting Fanfictions because it counted as bl too in Asia, trust me, I am Asian, gay, and had been reading bl since before it got famous, i know.

P.S i also studied literature which included theories about Genre, so yeah, I am qualified to say Western BL DOES exist

Chinese has developed its literature far before the West did, they have started Printing Press and Industrialism while the west transitioning from Antiquity to Dark Age, only for their progress to be stopped for literal thousands of years by rampant corruption. While they regressed in term of Industrialization, the literary side actually maintain the sophistication and even improved which is why Chinese literature will always be 100x better than the West could even dream of, especially contemporary literatures, like just compare Thai BL vs Western BL vs Chinese BL, and you'll see the stark difference in writing.

What Comparison? Nobody's comparing anything? You said to watch Step by Step to learn, and I simply stated with anecdotes that that's a bad idea. It's like you saying "Look for health diagnose online", and I simply said, "No."

It's called criticism. You'd know what it is and what good quality is if you hadn't learned from step by step, that's how bad it is.

And you're still wrong 🤡🤡🤡

Another proof you're the one who didn't know what you're talking about. You are right they didn't like, but it's definitely not "very good". It was written poorly and in a bad Faith. If it was "very good" people wouldn't be mad. It's not rocket science, just logic

In the episode where Nam Gyu... Gone, there is a monologue where Go Young said he would have a life filled with warmth and love if he was brave to be with Nam Gyu. So Go Young do like Nam Gyu, but he was conflicted because of Kyle (i just don't think the director really understand this because Nam Gyu scene definitely wasn't given as much care, #JusticeForNamGyu), and their relationship really change Go Young as a person, and that after being alone, he became more into serious relationship than casual flings

No, i didn't. A lot of people actually have negative expectation when IFYLITA was announced because of Deep hub. Just look up step by step accusinf ZeeNunew of queerbaiting. It was huge.

You don't know it happened because you live in a cave???

I think this is literally the best "Adult" drama that the characters acted like an adult. Like, Miyata was such a mood and was spouting facts every single time.