It's a Chinese / Korean drama, so of course 2ML got an obsession with the female lead and it's not just him. All…
Ah, but the primary target audience is Johnny Huang's followers who like action movies and police thrillers.... SML Wang Tian Chen did not capture my attention much before this drama ; only remember he was playing a support role as a more remote relative of the emperor in Joy of Life and that he invited Fan Xian to the poetry contest there. Wen Peng in LSIW does look obsessed but quite suspect as possible serial killer. Not really the usual simpish case, lol. Happy watching to you, dooh, if you are continuing after episode 3...
Of course, the latest update from her close friend is she is already in the process of recovery and we all hope…
Hmmm it may not be that easy to rely on "own agency". Added stress although differently. Chen Zheyuan apparently tried to break free but finally is back with his former "handlers"; I read somewhere that he was among the high profile well wishers who expressed their concern and get-wells to Zhao Lusi.
Arranging a schedule in itself is not necessarily evil but could be seen as a proof they are not just throwing away a "spent shell" after having pressed all juice from it. It can even be seen as a sign of faith in the actress coming back after necessary time for recovery ?
I was amazed to hear in a video that Smile Wei purportedly said she had noticed Rosy looking in bad health since November 9, and the report also mentioned aphasia (was it Smile Wei who leaked it?) so the rumor went from speculations about dehydration and hypoglycemia to outright stroke. Although stroke is possible at any age, it is usually a dire diagnose, despite there are also not severe strokes that only cause discomfort with blind spots and maybe a tell tale sagging to one side of face. A stroke ? That was alarming news.
I was sitting in audience about how to recognize and care for stroke sufferers, so I have some notions about that... besides having among my relatives one who had a brain hemorrhage but recovered after months of work enough command to give speeches and to run the semi marathon. This proves that even with severe stroke, the prognosis is not always : "tied to wheelchair with paralysis and broken career".
News next that Rosy could speak and move a bit and now needs rest are somewhat reassuring. Although her Weibo still down is ominous.
Speculating on the "since Nov9" mention : strokes can seldom be pointed to a sure cause (except direct hit to head and concussion), so was it a stroke? Usually there are no warning signs over months before.
Of course, high blood pressure, burnout, depression from repeated attacks such as those she suffered on the Net after the exhilaration of playing in The Story of Pearl Girl and bantering with friends Liu Yuning and Daddi Tang, all those sudden heartaches and worries in November-December may have taken a toll on her usually cheerful mood and weakened her health.
She still had pluck and gentleness enough to voluntarily help promote her long past co-star Zheng Yecheng's latest drama with Tan Songyun (Brocade Odyssey), among the many Tang and Song dynasty costume dramas airing this winter 24-25 season...
Some people's comments about this fine young lady to accuse her of all sorts of sins are despicable. I just hope that she will bounce back, not too burnt from this ordeal, and that we shall enjoy her presence on screen for many more years (though perhaps we should not clamor for "the next drama", to push her finishing too many in one year). She always was a workaholic, but certainly needs some pause, not too long, not a stop in career, now that she has achieved so much : Olympic torchbearer, so many highly successful dramas despite the haters, her care for animals, her love of dance, singing, and playing the guzheng, her lovely and playful brand ambassadorship (remembering her singing a snippet of Wolf's temptation by Phoenix Legend, once during a brand event coinciding with the airing of Chen Zheyuan's old drama The Princess and The Werewolf, as though she was supporting that drama virally despite not playing a role in it, just out of friendship)...
Sending warm vibes of well wishes to our dear Rosy.
Now there are rumors of stroke. I really hope that is not true.
Although it is possible to recover to large extent from strokes if not too severe, they do leave person in a more fragile state, needing months of recovery, speech therapy, and sometimes problems walking or at worst, sufferer left paralyzed in a wheelchair.
Smile Wei's observation of Zhao Lusi whom she described to be in fragile health since November 9 is worrying, and also the mention (by her?) of aphasia which is a speech disorder often associated with strokes, which can be light and without many consequences (seeing bling spots, or butterflies with eyes closed) or severe (brain hemorrhage, ruptured aneurysm) and cause paralysis, memory loss and long lasting aphasia. Repeat strokes are possible and can happen at any age (I attended once a seminar about them and what care could be given, and one case examined was that of a 14 year old who was living a healthy life in a stable family with normal sports exercising and no special stress like bullying or other pressure.) What is tragic too is that it is usually difficult to point to one (avoidable) cause, except direct hits to head and concussion. Excessive weight loss or gain are only one suspect; depending on age, "excessive" weight loss can nevertheless be beneficial such as in the case of Chen Feiyu who went from very overweight to slim and handsome, healthy young actor, or for depression sufferers...
We don't know what Rosy is suffering from exactly, could be anything from adverse reaction to a covid vaccine (happened), or poisoning, burn-out, allergy...
Her Weibo is down. Her friends and co-stars have expressed concern and support but not directly on their own social media. Latest news is she can speak and move a little again, so let's send all our most heartfelt well wishes instead of looking to assign blame.
The government lives under their mistress's skirt, they play favoritism, if their mistress is an actress and she…
You ought to remember how much ZLS was criticized for NOT heeding the waif-like look criteria and appearing round faced and almost chubby for years. Indeed pressure from THE PUBLIC and NETIZENS may have contributed to her choice of conforming more to young slim adult.
But I have a feeling her mishap could be due to a virus or a poisoning too.
My son was down with gastro enteritis for three weeks recently because of a campylobacter (detected by blood analysis) probably from what he ate at the company restaurant. Even if you prepare your own meals, it is not a guarantee that you can't be poisoned or catch some bug. And contrary to poison, detectable by a silver needle in dramas, or by killing off a pro "taster" attendant in medieval times, such bugs take up to three weeks before wreaking havoc with the health or even life of those who caught it.
It's quicker with allergies, and I only knew that I was fiercely allergic (I mean anaphylactic shock syndrome, I was rescued from brink of death...) when I happened to eat a meal of oysters at 27 ; I have confirmed since that I absolutely cannot eat certain shellfish.
So instead of blaming her or the government or even the public and netizens, I only send my well wishes to Zhao Lusi. Can't believe the callousness of some people on the comments pages.... She is a human being, for god's sakes!
Beginning of ep 20 solidifies that Professor Badass is my favorite 🫶character in this drama. While everyone…
yes that was neat. vroom back crashing into another vehicle to throw assassin, using the door in lieu of weapon, lol Was she asked to pay for the damage? Just smiling...
There are a lot of mixed comments, likely because this is a drama that will really depend on your expectations…
You raised Huang Jingyu's personal issue, but should then also have mentioned that the allegations against him were ruled as invalid by a court ruling when he sued for defamation. No use stamping him again and again with suspicion. But it is quite possible that some still linger with that and dislike the "muscle man" specialist. It's unfortunate that they can't appreciate just the drama which is on purpose I think still in "muddy waters" plotwise, and the characters which are not cut out as "clear"/"unclear" for most.
It was interesting to see how JCY handled the possible suspicions leading to LY. Why had she behaved like she did, hiding her covert side investigation? She could not be a prime evildoer suspect since it had been established that she too had been a murder target (although JCY saved her. Providentially , since he was not supposed to be near to watch out at the time). <> We should now be able to rule out the actor among the suspects, after the events in episode 20. As for the rest....
To me the romance part does not seem central, not yet at least. Opposite to your view of it, my feeling about the drama is simply "police and investigation drama" with tacked-on romance that seems not to mesh much with anything, even as trigger element. My view of it is still : the main "couple" are and have been together like fish in the bowl on the table but not swimming on same side of glass... There is no steam there, none to lose. Perhaps there will be later. The main actress Sun Qian is very pretty and cuddly at times, I think rather skillful at playing an ambiguous and unclear character who may have excuses as PTSD sufferer or plain "low witted" and "uncoordinated" as she presented herself once. Johnny Huang is his usual self, softening at times his act to show that even investigators can do mistakes and be swayed by the sentimentality that is showered on them. His character is clearly not a "love at first sight" one... so he has to deal with unknown and almost alien feelings to sort out how he can react or embrace those. The two character had a brief past together but broke for no really good reason; he kept thinking of her instead of moving on, but was that love? That's as debatable as what she said about her take on "love". They are not the simple cookie-cut pair who stay together like mandarin ducks.
But if audience "on the fence" come looking for humdrum romance and steam first, then, as I mentioned tongue-in-cheek, I suggest the very flawed and jubilation-level reaching funny Embrace In The Dark Night (besides, that one is mercifully short, lol. I totally agree with the 6.0 Douban rating it achieved, btw: for such a short and over-the-top mini drama, it was and remains remarkable. I was tickled to bits by it, thinking it could become a cult item. Just for steam and not much challenge for brain - it's all muscles and sizzle in EITDN.).
DataWin Film and Television Observation for #BrocadeOdyssey#TanSongyun's performance in BO showcased her delicate…
Very positive! Ok, even though I wrote "completed" on my Companion piece, on Dec.23, I will add this into the Popularity section about the drama so it does not get lost in the avalanche of comments or X messages :)
someone who watches dramas too often will have high expectations with the drama they watch, especially when they…
Wow are you a multiple account holder that has a mission to weed out dissenters from your biased views? Going to slap pop psychology labels on those who dont agree with you? If you are even qualified in psychology. Why are you still lurking here : do you feel a NEED to get last word in? Have it your own way then, I will save myself from the annoyance of reading your "opinions" and negativity : by blocking you. It is absolutely true that there are bigger things to worry about and I have other fish to fry than trying to make sense of the entitled feelings from someone who poses as "officialdramalover" and "seasoned watcher" (ehhhm pfff). No good day to you from me this time. Good grief. I am out of here.
someone who watches dramas too often will have high expectations with the drama they watch, especially when they…
Agree with you, but not on bashing a drama from only hearsay or reading negative comments of details. Appreciate that you are not a mere artist hater and don't hesitate to say you like Tan Songyun, although you have not watched that many of her dramas to support that; I do see you liked The Sword and the Brocade, which got bashed by some because of subject and age difference between leads - but I agree with your liking there, amused that in Brocade Odyssey there also was an instance of "hero returning post haste" from (battlefield/disaster area) in spite of ambushes on the way, to save his "endangered flame" ; Brocade Odyssey is both more serious about the brocade stuff and more comedic than TSATB : I was chuckling at those Qianniu guards dropping like apples from the eaves, and the ministers popping up like garden dwarves later in the midst of the wilderness (these were a bit exaggerated, I give you that, but offered a moment of levity that was not unwelcome for me) . As you say, everyone has own taste, so no need to fuel those who actively spread negativity to ruin it for those who find value in a show, even flawed. I know you did find stuff you liked, language wise too, to balance what did not agree with your views on editing. Although I personally wouldn't go as far as stating that just because being from Singapore, all viewers there will have same opinions and sensitivity as you have about editing : everyone is different and indeed has own tastes. :)
Award recipient co director Shào Chāngyǒng is behind the super popular Blossom, just aired, btw.
You did not know why the actor I hinted to had to be AI face lifted? That's ok, since the lawsuit he has started against those who dragged his reputation to tatters has not reached a verdict. He was too important to be cut out completely but the unfortunate event did affect all plans for normal post production and airing. and of course the drama suffered from the scramble to rescue it. Shooting was from 2023, September 12 to January 2024 and the full flare of the trouble led the actor to put his career on hold in August to sue, but of course disturbance started earlier hence the redesign. Perhaps some events were then redesigned also to make his Zhao character more into an expendable villain, which made it exaggerated and some scenes choppier, as you say. I am just speculating.
Considering the trouble that production went through, and the amount of effort they had put in to get the brocade right, including Tan Songyun's personal involvement in the clip for the craft (it's linked and GIFed in my Companion piece), and also the efforts to quote poetry on screen (sorry, I did not screenshoot and discuss it in companion piece, and I am too tired to do so now, but I was glad some viewers noticed) ...
So for all these reasons I am inclined not to go bashing this drama... The downer is also that the shows that could have found their audiences later are now going to have increasing difficulties finding them, at least in the fringe of international viewership which flourished since 2015. 2025 is not going to be easy for many. But let's try to stay positive nonetheless.
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SML Wang Tian Chen did not capture my attention much before this drama ; only remember he was playing a support role as a more remote relative of the emperor in Joy of Life and that he invited Fan Xian to the poetry contest there.
Wen Peng in LSIW does look obsessed but quite suspect as possible serial killer. Not really the usual simpish case, lol.
Happy watching to you, dooh, if you are continuing after episode 3...
Arranging a schedule in itself is not necessarily evil but could be seen as a proof they are not just throwing away a "spent shell" after having pressed all juice from it. It can even be seen as a sign of faith in the actress coming back after necessary time for recovery ?
I was amazed to hear in a video that Smile Wei purportedly said she had noticed Rosy looking in bad health since November 9, and the report also mentioned aphasia (was it Smile Wei who leaked it?) so the rumor went from speculations about dehydration and hypoglycemia to outright stroke. Although stroke is possible at any age, it is usually a dire diagnose, despite there are also not severe strokes that only cause discomfort with blind spots and maybe a tell tale sagging to one side of face. A stroke ? That was alarming news.
I was sitting in audience about how to recognize and care for stroke sufferers, so I have some notions about that... besides having among my relatives one who had a brain hemorrhage but recovered after months of work enough command to give speeches and to run the semi marathon. This proves that even with severe stroke, the prognosis is not always : "tied to wheelchair with paralysis and broken career".
News next that Rosy could speak and move a bit and now needs rest are somewhat reassuring. Although her Weibo still down is ominous.
Speculating on the "since Nov9" mention : strokes can seldom be pointed to a sure cause (except direct hit to head and concussion), so was it a stroke? Usually there are no warning signs over months before.
Of course, high blood pressure, burnout, depression from repeated attacks such as those she suffered on the Net after the exhilaration of playing in The Story of Pearl Girl and bantering with friends Liu Yuning and Daddi Tang, all those sudden heartaches and worries in November-December may have taken a toll on her usually cheerful mood and weakened her health.
She still had pluck and gentleness enough to voluntarily help promote her long past co-star Zheng Yecheng's latest drama with Tan Songyun (Brocade Odyssey), among the many Tang and Song dynasty costume dramas airing this winter 24-25 season...
Some people's comments about this fine young lady to accuse her of all sorts of sins are despicable. I just hope that she will bounce back, not too burnt from this ordeal, and that we shall enjoy her presence on screen for many more years (though perhaps we should not clamor for "the next drama", to push her finishing too many in one year). She always was a workaholic, but certainly needs some pause, not too long, not a stop in career, now that she has achieved so much : Olympic torchbearer, so many highly successful dramas despite the haters, her care for animals, her love of dance, singing, and playing the guzheng, her lovely and playful brand ambassadorship (remembering her singing a snippet of Wolf's temptation by Phoenix Legend, once during a brand event coinciding with the airing of Chen Zheyuan's old drama The Princess and The Werewolf, as though she was supporting that drama virally despite not playing a role in it, just out of friendship)...
Sending warm vibes of well wishes to our dear Rosy.
Smile Wei's observation of Zhao Lusi whom she described to be in fragile health since November 9 is worrying, and also the mention (by her?) of aphasia which is a speech disorder often associated with strokes, which can be light and without many consequences (seeing bling spots, or butterflies with eyes closed) or severe (brain hemorrhage, ruptured aneurysm) and cause paralysis, memory loss and long lasting aphasia. Repeat strokes are possible and can happen at any age (I attended once a seminar about them and what care could be given, and one case examined was that of a 14 year old who was living a healthy life in a stable family with normal sports exercising and no special stress like bullying or other pressure.) What is tragic too is that it is usually difficult to point to one (avoidable) cause, except direct hits to head and concussion. Excessive weight loss or gain are only one suspect; depending on age, "excessive" weight loss can nevertheless be beneficial such as in the case of Chen Feiyu who went from very overweight to slim and handsome, healthy young actor, or for depression sufferers...
We don't know what Rosy is suffering from exactly, could be anything from adverse reaction to a covid vaccine (happened), or poisoning, burn-out, allergy...
Her Weibo is down. Her friends and co-stars have expressed concern and support but not directly on their own social media. Latest news is she can speak and move a little again, so let's send all our most heartfelt well wishes instead of looking to assign blame.
https://kisskh.at/discussions/love-song-in-winter/133620-some-gif-to-enjoy?page=last&p=3211232#p3211232
But I have a feeling her mishap could be due to a virus or a poisoning too.
My son was down with gastro enteritis for three weeks recently because of a campylobacter (detected by blood analysis) probably from what he ate at the company restaurant. Even if you prepare your own meals, it is not a guarantee that you can't be poisoned or catch some bug. And contrary to poison, detectable by a silver needle in dramas, or by killing off a pro "taster" attendant in medieval times, such bugs take up to three weeks before wreaking havoc with the health or even life of those who caught it.
It's quicker with allergies, and I only knew that I was fiercely allergic (I mean anaphylactic shock syndrome, I was rescued from brink of death...) when I happened to eat a meal of oysters at 27 ; I have confirmed since that I absolutely cannot eat certain shellfish.
So instead of blaming her or the government or even the public and netizens, I only send my well wishes to Zhao Lusi. Can't believe the callousness of some people on the comments pages.... She is a human being, for god's sakes!
It was interesting to see how JCY handled the possible suspicions leading to LY. Why had she behaved like she did, hiding her covert side investigation? She could not be a prime evildoer suspect since it had been established that she too had been a murder target (although JCY saved her. Providentially , since he was not supposed to be near to watch out at the time).
<> We should now be able to rule out the actor among the suspects, after the events in episode 20. As for the rest....
To me the romance part does not seem central, not yet at least. Opposite to your view of it, my feeling about the drama is simply "police and investigation drama" with tacked-on romance that seems not to mesh much with anything, even as trigger element. My view of it is still : the main "couple" are and have been together like fish in the bowl on the table but not swimming on same side of glass... There is no steam there, none to lose. Perhaps there will be later. The main actress Sun Qian is very pretty and cuddly at times, I think rather skillful at playing an ambiguous and unclear character who may have excuses as PTSD sufferer or plain "low witted" and "uncoordinated" as she presented herself once. Johnny Huang is his usual self, softening at times his act to show that even investigators can do mistakes and be swayed by the sentimentality that is showered on them. His character is clearly not a "love at first sight" one... so he has to deal with unknown and almost alien feelings to sort out how he can react or embrace those. The two character had a brief past together but broke for no really good reason; he kept thinking of her instead of moving on, but was that love? That's as debatable as what she said about her take on "love". They are not the simple cookie-cut pair who stay together like mandarin ducks.
But if audience "on the fence" come looking for humdrum romance and steam first, then, as I mentioned tongue-in-cheek, I suggest the very flawed and jubilation-level reaching funny Embrace In The Dark Night (besides, that one is mercifully short, lol. I totally agree with the 6.0 Douban rating it achieved, btw: for such a short and over-the-top mini drama, it was and remains remarkable. I was tickled to bits by it, thinking it could become a cult item. Just for steam and not much challenge for brain - it's all muscles and sizzle in EITDN.).
https://kisskh.at/discussions/shu-jin-ren-jia/132940-brocade-odyssey-companion-piece?pid=3196074&page=2#p3196074
(scroll down till end of that "post" since it starts at "Popularity" title)
Have it your own way then, I will save myself from the annoyance of reading your "opinions" and negativity : by blocking you.
It is absolutely true that there are bigger things to worry about and I have other fish to fry than trying to make sense of the entitled feelings from someone who poses as "officialdramalover" and "seasoned watcher" (ehhhm pfff). No good day to you from me this time. Good grief. I am out of here.
As you say, everyone has own taste, so no need to fuel those who actively spread negativity to ruin it for those who find value in a show, even flawed.
I know you did find stuff you liked, language wise too, to balance what did not agree with your views on editing.
Although I personally wouldn't go as far as stating that just because being from Singapore, all viewers there will have same opinions and sensitivity as you have about editing : everyone is different and indeed has own tastes. :)
If you check on the screenwriters and authors pages or just here on my Companion piece which summarized and illustrated many details including those, you will find there is no connection with the writers of Destined.
https://kisskh.at/discussions/shu-jin-ren-jia/132940-brocade-odyssey-companion-piece?pid=3196034&page=1#p3196034
Award recipient co director Shào Chāngyǒng is behind the super popular Blossom, just aired, btw.
You did not know why the actor I hinted to had to be AI face lifted? That's ok, since the lawsuit he has started against those who dragged his reputation to tatters has not reached a verdict. He was too important to be cut out completely but the unfortunate event did affect all plans for normal post production and airing. and of course the drama suffered from the scramble to rescue it. Shooting was from 2023, September 12 to January 2024 and the full flare of the trouble led the actor to put his career on hold in August to sue, but of course disturbance started earlier hence the redesign. Perhaps some events were then redesigned also to make his Zhao character more into an expendable villain, which made it exaggerated and some scenes choppier, as you say. I am just speculating.
Considering the trouble that production went through, and the amount of effort they had put in to get the brocade right, including Tan Songyun's personal involvement in the clip for the craft (it's linked and GIFed in my Companion piece), and also the efforts to quote poetry on screen (sorry, I did not screenshoot and discuss it in companion piece, and I am too tired to do so now, but I was glad some viewers noticed) ...
So for all these reasons I am inclined not to go bashing this drama... The downer is also that the shows that could have found their audiences later are now going to have increasing difficulties finding them, at least in the fringe of international viewership which flourished since 2015.
2025 is not going to be easy for many. But let's try to stay positive nonetheless.