is there any love triangle in these drama For Leads ?? Need Spoiler
Yes, but it’s not made super clear until late in the show, and since he was never even remotely on her radar from the start, it’s not really much of a SML.
I can see why some people thought this was draggy in the middle. Things really do move along fairly quickly, but the FL is basically aiming for the same goal for 20 episodes. She tries lots of things to get whey she wants and the circumstances around her and her relationship to others changes, but her basic desire remains stagnant. There are only so many schemes she can dream up without much changing before it gets a bit repetitive. It redeemed itself nicely in the final episodes so overall it was a good show.
I quite liked this show despite its maddening inconsistency. Every episode was full of stuff that happened then didn’t happen. The FL would say “I’m leaving,” as she’s walking away, then half an episode later she’s still there, then much later again she’s still there. The bad guy would strangle someone but there still alive in the next scene. One of the characters was supposed to die if he interfered with the spirit world but does so repeatedly in nearly every episode without dying.
Promises would be made then forgotten. Consequences would be discussed but then dropped over and over. It’s as if the story found it too inconvenient to stick to the narrative it had painted in the past. Yet still , I was able to look past it and enjoy the show for what it was: a twisty tale of ghosts, dragons and mythology.
I’m in the very small 👌🏾(Almost non existent) group of people who actually enjoyed the version. I know…
I think the problem is it really had no resolution. I don’t think stories have to have happy endings but they really should have an ending of some kind (and marriage scenes during the credits don’t cut it because we have no sense of how they got to that moment or if it was even just the guys wishful thinking) She never found out his true intentions. in my opinion it looks like they planned a season two but decided part way through to wrap it up with her leaving.
I really liked the first season but I have a hard time getting into this season. It's so confusing and sometimes…
I personally found it jarring. The filming, dialog, and pace are so different. It feels like a low budget show compared to the first season. The special effects also seem less convincing. It’s like they were sped up, and the physics are all wrong. It will be forgiven if the plot is good, but the transition is taking some getting used to.
I just finished episode 13 and I’m really liking this show. At first I thought the change in the policeman’s flashback of the accident was the writers trying to refine or improve the story. Then they switched back to the original flashback and I couldn’t figure it out. But the smirk at the end of this episode is the nail in the coffin. Things are not as they seem.
I am so mad @ this series. I’m absolutely infuriated. To say some of the things that has happened before I dropped…
I haven’t really watched much of this, but I have seen the FL try to make the ML jealous in an attempt to manipulate him into helping her write a business plan. When he offers her material for her plan she refuses and uses material she went to another man to get. She deliberately provokes him and pretends not to care when a women confesses to the ML. She’s gotten the best of the ML several times because she’s pretty scheming and not at all a pushover. From what little I’ve seen, I’m not sure you couldn’t call her emotionally abusive.
All that may be beside the point. Stories are full of bad people. Othello murdered his wife. Oedipus killed his father and married his mother. You could get furious at Scrooge for using his money and position to abuse his employees. In the end it wasn’t the horrible person he was at the start but who he became that made the story.
Without spoilers all I can say is it was an unsatisfying show that left me feeling the woman didn’t end up with…
This was not a great drama. In the first three episodes, the FL shows obvious and strong interest in the ML. She gets jealous and yells at him to never bring another woman into his house. She mishears his confession and becomes obsessed enough to later ask him point blank what he said. Yet, the moment he confesses clearly and unambiguously she becomes a different person, pushing him away.
She goes on a series of dates with the second male lead, who’s a very nice guy. When he asks, point blank and repeatedly, if she has feelings for anyone else, each time, without qualification she responds with a firm no. This is at complete odds with her own behavior, with things she has said to herself. It’s s lie. This is extremely odd. First, because it’s totally unfair to the SML who is open, honest and sincere in his pursuit of her.
Second, because if she has no feelings for the SML there’s no reason to lie to him. She could simply say she’s confused about her feelings, or she doesn’t know, or yes, but a relationship is impossible with the ML. The only reason to hide her feelings is she doesn’t want him to go away. She wants to keep seeing him, and lying to him to string him along makes her a bad person. Doubly so given her prior jealous outburst to the ML and the fact she knows the ML had feelings for her and never even hints to him that she’s dating someone else. If she was serious about ending her relationship with the ML a simple “I’m seeing someone else” would have done it.
Third her lying about her feelings to a direct question from the SML tells you everything you need to know about their relationship. The SML is up-front, caring and above board, while she hides her feelings. That’s not a recipe for a successful relationship. She’d always wind up unhappy because she denies her feelings and he’d wind up pushing her around without even knowing it. There was even a divorce in the show for a similar reason. The man was happy but the woman was not and never once let the guy know.
After the appearance of the SML, the FL only spends with the Ml when circumstance force her to do so to further their joint plan to avoid relocation to Alaska. On the other hand, her frequent dates with the SML were voluntary and so only make sense if she wanted to see him and spend time with him. Since she never expressed to herself or anyone else how she felt about the SML, her behavior is all we have to go on, and it paints a picture of a woman who is more strongly drawn to the SML than the ML. The cherry on the top was that her last minute refusal of the SML, was not because she didn’t love him, not because she was in love with someone else, but because she wanted to live alone. The inevitable conclusion was she had stronger feelings for the SML but just didn’t see it working out with the him because he was a normal guy who wanted a normal married life. So she “settled” for the ML where he would accept them being married but living apart. Totally unsatisfying..
Without spoilers all I can say is it was an unsatisfying show that left me feeling the woman didn’t end up with the guy she was the most I’m love with. I’ll put my more detailed thoughts in a response to this post.
I think the problem is not just the writing. The director Baek Soo Chan has many dramas with similar flaws on…
No better sign of confused writing exists than the ending. We have a many year separation during which, if the woman had her way, she’d have gone in blind dates and, and presumably been married when he returned . Okay, I can’t say that’s isn’t realistic or even bad. But minutes after we learn that, she sits in a church appearing to still be very broken up about his absence, as if she never moved on. Well, make up your mind. Is she still waiting for him or has she moved on.
Then we find out why he came back, but it doesn’t make sense at all with the reason he gives for staying. Being introduced to a relative takes a few minutes then he’s back in the afterlife. If he was allowed to visit earth as a vacation whenever she’s reincarnated then why did he have to wait to do that until she had a new relative to introduce him to. It makes no sense.
What makes it worse is that the director didn’t demand a little more consistency or logic in the motives behind the events of the story. IMHO they were both at fault.
In the original manga, it doesn't develop like in episode 9/10 where Amagi-Shachou keeps pictures of Satou-San…
I think it hurts the show when nothing really resolved. As far as I can tell , it end with everything the same as the ten episodes before it. At least the Manga storyteller understood the importance of things going somewhere.
I liked this show a lot. It was good to see the main character change so much and then have to deal with the mess he’d made of his life. The female lead was equally as interesting. She was strong enough to put up with him and keep giving him crap for the evil stuff he’d done. I think I liked that part the most. From the start, she’d given up on him as a partner but never gave up on him as someone she wanted to see be a better person..
This was a great show on every level. They really knew how to take a fairly simple idea and toy with it teasing out so many good twists and interesting situations. The acting was great, it was well made and thoroughly enjoyable.
I found the way the FL could't just confess everything so frustrating
There comes a point where the plot is built on frustration over keeping the leads apart. That point usually comes when the actions of the characters stop making sense and any logic behind their actions is lost to the desire to create drama.
This was a pretty good show that turned into a great show in the last episode. As such, it stand as a testament to the power of having a killer ending.
For the first fifteen episode this was a pretty good show with a few rough edges. For example, the male lead sells his role as a loner who shuns people and disdains the police. He’s so convincing that it makes his change of heart seem abrupt and not altogether believable. Likewise, the woman’s attraction to her childhood friend and fellow policeman is portrayed a bit too well for too long, making it perplexing and difficult to believe that they didn’t get together right away.
Many of the side stores seem to come out of the blue, such as the woman haunting the highway. Had the groundwork been laid earlier, it would have seemed less choppy. Still, the story is interesting, the humor good, and the plot and acting are first rate so it is enjoyable, despite a few head scratching moments.
All these nit-picky points get forgotten in the final episode. Somehow the writing, direction and acting all come together to create an ending that was greater than the sum of its parts. Multiple threads get pulled together and explained and even some of the prior abruptness becomes more acceptable. In the end this was a highly satisfying snd enjoyable show.
This was a very strange show, that was made difficult to enjoy by it’s own odd choices. For starters, the male lead barely appears in the first 10% of the show, and when he does, he interacts with practically no one. He comes from the past, but we never see his life in the past. We never see his personality, his ambition or lack thereof, or his relationships. So he is an almost total stranger. By contrast we are presented with great detail on the female lead and the second male lead’s present life, dreams, their weaknesses and struggles. We even know the minor characters better than we do the male lead, which is just bizarre.
Almost right away we get more than one accidental kiss. Yet, because the male lead is a virtual stranger, they might as well have been accidental kisses with the extra walking by on the street. They seemed irrelevant, or even worse, odd. It was as if the show were saying: see this guy , you don’t know him, but he winds up with the girl, so pay attention.
It didn’t get better until late in the show. The male lead had few meaningful interactions through the first half of the show. So we never really got to know who he was or what happened to him in the past. Which made any chemistry between the female lead and the male lead almost impossible. Their romance generated little emotion or interest because he felt like a mere prop to deny the second male lead’s desire for the girl. In that sense, it was a show that generated more sympathy for the second male lead for not getting the girl than it did for the primary relationship. It was odd to find I cared more about the third relationship between Bo Hee and Tae Hyun’s than the three main characters.
A similar problem affected the whole series. When you mix time travel with a past which is largely not portrayed and therefore poorly understood, you get confusion. Almost right away, the male lead tries to get back to his own time, but I don’t know why. I never saw his past so I found it hard to care about him getting back to something I knew so little about. Then he tries to find some money he left behind, but I just couldn’t care. Why would I care if he finds the money or not when I don’t know who he is, how he got the money or what he wants it for.
The show does eventually bring us around to understand and root for the male lead, and so I found it enjoyable in the end. Still, it was a rough road and unnecessarily so. If they’d have just let us know who the male lead was so we could root for him the whole ride would have been so much more enjoyable.
Also, I want to counter and say that the main character in my opinion falls for the right guy for her aspirations…
I don’t get what you mean. In the show I watched, she didn’t end up with anyone in the end. She decided her job was more important than a relationship.
Promises would be made then forgotten. Consequences would be discussed but then dropped over and over. It’s as if the story found it too inconvenient to stick to the narrative it had painted in the past. Yet still , I was able to look past it and enjoy the show for what it was: a twisty tale of ghosts, dragons and mythology.
All that may be beside the point. Stories are full of bad people. Othello murdered his wife. Oedipus killed his father and married his mother. You could get furious at Scrooge for using his money and position to abuse his employees. In the end it wasn’t the horrible person he was at the start but who he became that made the story.
She goes on a series of dates with the second male lead, who’s a very nice guy. When he asks, point blank and repeatedly, if she has feelings for anyone else, each time, without qualification she responds with a firm no. This is at complete odds with her own behavior, with things she has said to herself. It’s s lie. This is extremely odd. First, because it’s totally unfair to the SML who is open, honest and sincere in his pursuit of her.
Second, because if she has no feelings for the SML there’s no reason to lie to him. She could simply say she’s confused about her feelings, or she doesn’t know, or yes, but a relationship is impossible with the ML. The only reason to hide her feelings is she doesn’t want him to go away. She wants to keep seeing him, and lying to him to string him along makes her a bad person. Doubly so given her prior jealous outburst to the ML and the fact she knows the ML had feelings for her and never even hints to him that she’s dating someone else. If she was serious about ending her relationship with the ML a simple “I’m seeing someone else” would have done it.
Third her lying about her feelings to a direct question from the SML tells you everything you need to know about their relationship. The SML is up-front, caring and above board, while she hides her feelings. That’s not a recipe for a successful relationship. She’d always wind up unhappy because she denies her feelings and he’d wind up pushing her around without even knowing it. There was even a divorce in the show for a similar reason. The man was happy but the woman was not and never once let the guy know.
After the appearance of the SML, the FL only spends with the Ml when circumstance force her to do so to further their joint plan to avoid relocation to Alaska. On the other hand, her frequent dates with the SML were voluntary and so only make sense if she wanted to see him and spend time with him. Since she never expressed to herself or anyone else how she felt about the SML, her behavior is all we have to go on, and it paints a picture of a woman who is more strongly drawn to the SML than the ML. The cherry on the top was that her last minute refusal of the SML, was not because she didn’t love him, not because she was in love with someone else, but because she wanted to live alone. The inevitable conclusion was she had stronger feelings for the SML but just didn’t see it working out with the him because he was a normal guy who wanted a normal married life. So she “settled” for the ML where he would accept them being married but living apart. Totally unsatisfying..
Then we find out why he came back, but it doesn’t make sense at all with the reason he gives for staying. Being introduced to a relative takes a few minutes then he’s back in the afterlife. If he was allowed to visit earth as a vacation whenever she’s reincarnated then why did he have to wait to do that until she had a new relative to introduce him to. It makes no sense.
What makes it worse is that the director didn’t demand a little more consistency or logic in the motives behind the events of the story. IMHO they were both at fault.
For the first fifteen episode this was a pretty good show with a few rough edges. For example, the male lead sells his role as a loner who shuns people and disdains the police. He’s so convincing that it makes his change of heart seem abrupt and not altogether believable. Likewise, the woman’s attraction to her childhood friend and fellow policeman is portrayed a bit too well for too long, making it perplexing and difficult to believe that they didn’t get together right away.
Many of the side stores seem to come out of the blue, such as the woman haunting the highway. Had the groundwork been laid earlier, it would have seemed less choppy. Still, the story is interesting, the humor good, and the plot and acting are first rate so it is enjoyable, despite a few head scratching moments.
All these nit-picky points get forgotten in the final episode. Somehow the writing, direction and acting all come together to create an ending that was greater than the sum of its parts. Multiple threads get pulled together and explained and even some of the prior abruptness becomes more acceptable. In the end this was a highly satisfying snd enjoyable show.
Almost right away we get more than one accidental kiss. Yet, because the male lead is a virtual stranger, they might as well have been accidental kisses with the extra walking by on the street. They seemed irrelevant, or even worse, odd. It was as if the show were saying: see this guy , you don’t know him, but he winds up with the girl, so pay attention.
It didn’t get better until late in the show. The male lead had few meaningful interactions through the first half of the show. So we never really got to know who he was or what happened to him in the past. Which made any chemistry between the female lead and the male lead almost impossible. Their romance generated little emotion or interest because he felt like a mere prop to deny the second male lead’s desire for the girl. In that sense, it was a show that generated more sympathy for the second male lead for not getting the girl than it did for the primary relationship. It was odd to find I cared more about the third relationship between Bo Hee and Tae Hyun’s than the three main characters.
A similar problem affected the whole series. When you mix time travel with a past which is largely not portrayed and therefore poorly understood, you get confusion. Almost right away, the male lead tries to get back to his own time, but I don’t know why. I never saw his past so I found it hard to care about him getting back to something I knew so little about. Then he tries to find some money he left behind, but I just couldn’t care. Why would I care if he finds the money or not when I don’t know who he is, how he got the money or what he wants it for.
The show does eventually bring us around to understand and root for the male lead, and so I found it enjoyable in the end. Still, it was a rough road and unnecessarily so. If they’d have just let us know who the male lead was so we could root for him the whole ride would have been so much more enjoyable.