There’s a difference between organic diversity and forced "straight" relationships that exist to make things…
"... it’s as black-and-white as you’re making it"
It's not black-and-white thinking, I'm acknowledging how often they’re treated as such
"... romanticize stuff like forced love, toxic relationship"
So do "straight" stories. Ever seen Twilight? Fifty Shades of Grey? Toxicity isn’t a "BL-exclusive" problem. It’s a media problem. The difference is that "straight" media gets to have all kinds of toxic stories. BL gets put under a microscope the second it does something wrong
"... made for straight audiences"
"Straight" identifying women enjoying BL doesn't invalidate the genre. BL provides more consistent, unapologetic, explicit gay love stories than any media out there
"... if side gay couples in straight shows are just “background decoration,” then why is it suddenly a problem when a queer show has side straight couples as decoration?"
Because the "straight" storylines aren't background decoration
Side gay couples in "straight" media get barely any development. "Straight" couples in BLs are given entire arcs
"Have u even watched the episodes?"
I have, and I know about the side lesbian storyline
I don't need to conduct a full analysis of the drama to address the specific problem at hand
There’s a difference between organic diversity and forced "straight" relationships that exist to make things…
"And please no matter which western straight show I start there are side gay couples"
Those side gay couples in "straight" media are background decoration for "diversity" points. "Straight" identifying people and gay people criticize them all the time, saying that's not representation
BL is one of the only spaces that doesn't treat gay love as a side dish. And it should stay that way
"Do you live under a rock?"
If you continue acting like "more BLs = no problems," I might consider moving under one for peace and quiet
I am liking this series so far but to be fair i haven't seen any hate comments herehate comments would be hating…
Some of you "queer" people preaching inclusivity have no problem being condescending and talking down to other "queer" people or the "straight" identifying people who agree with us
"Maybe arrange a protest do something that will be actually helpful rather than being a key board warrior activist?"
Typing out a dismissive comment about my "keyboard warrior" activism ... Isn’t that being a keyboard warrior?
We do know what we want: a faithful adaptation that doesn’t mess with the heart of the original story or slap…
Well said! Despite frustration with certain parts of the drama, some people want to see it through. Critiquing parts of the drama doesn't equate to being ungrateful for its existence
the gay people downvoting it cos of the straight second lead couple
How do you know the numbers of gay or "straight" identifying individuals offended by the adaptation? Do you have reliable data or sources to support your claim?
I'm "queer," and I'm offended. Many others feel the same. "Straight" identifying or not, they're supportive of gay stories and feel disappointed that they're diminished or excluded
I am liking this series so far but to be fair i haven't seen any hate comments herehate comments would be hating…
"Some straight women immerse themselves in queer content, but when real queer voices speak up, they’re either ignored or condescended to"
You realize a bunch of us raising our eyebrows at this adaptation are "queer" and card-carrying members of the LGB community, right?
Disagreeing with you is "playing the victim card," and you claiming a "straight" identifying person has "talked down" to you isn’t "playing the victim card?" You're framing things to suit your agenda
I am not straight and I have no issues with this drama thankfully cause I never saw the manhwa. I actually found…
There’s a difference between organic diversity and forced "straight" relationships that exist to make things more "comfortable" for mainstream audiences
"I like how some straight shows include side BL (although it might be censored)"
Most "straight" shows don't do that. There's no reason for most BLs to include "straight" storylines in them
"I will probably get blasted for siding this"
From where I’m standing, it’s the people unhappy with this forced change who are being called names and dismissed
Everyone crying in the comments about the side cp when yoodam and shiwoo are such useless characters 😭 contribute…
"I believe you people just mad there are s8 story"
Why wouldn't we be mad?
The script writers developed a "straight" relationship between Chan Yeong and Ji Yu, which doesn't exist in the manhwa. Their presence and influence on Hee Su's development could've been achieved within the context of a friendship. Interjecting a "they're more than just friends" angle is unwarranted and "useless" (your word)
Why should the second gay couple's story "appear from season 2 onward?" The timeline could've changed in the adaptation
The writers' ability to generate a new storyline between two friends shows that the same changes could've been done for the second main gay couple. They could've strengthened the second gay couple's connection to Hee Su's story. Doing so, both gay storylines would coexist and contribute to Hee Su's development in an organic manner
"... yoodam and shiwoo are such useless characters"
They're not useless. They're useful for themselves. They have their own aspirations and love stories to tell, which add layers of depth and authenticity to Hee Su's environment. Their value isn't tied to their role in Hee Su's love story, so removing them for not being servants of Hee Su's journey would be short-sighted of you
Criticism doesn’t mean something is ‘rent-free’ in someone’s head. People analyze and discuss media all…
"... can't be said the same to Chanyoung and Jiyu bcs they are vital for the Heesu's development"
The script writers developed a "straight" relationship between Chan Yeong and Ji Yu, which doesn't exist in the manhwa. Their presence and influence on Hee Su's development could've been achieved within the context of a friendship. Interjecting a "they're more than just friends" angle is unwarranted
The writers' ability to generate a new storyline between two friends shows that the same changes could've been done for the second main gay couple. They could've strengthened the second gay couple's connection to Hee Su's story. Doing so, both gay storylines would coexist and contribute to Hee Su's development in an organic manner
""The second couple in the manhwa is just as irrelevant as this mdl's conversations, keeping or removing them won't add something extra for Heesu, the MAIN LEAD"
They're not useless or irrelevant. They're useful and relevant for themselves. They have their own aspirations and love stories to tell, which add layers of depth and authenticity to Hee Su's environment. Their value isn't tied to their role in Hee Su's love story, so removing them for not being servants of Hee Su's journey would be short-sighted of you
Have you read the manga?? Because in the manga Hessu helping Seungwon to get jiyu is how he develops his feeling…
@Amigo_Love and other fans of the drama are skilled, don't you think? It’s a skill to cram that much arrogance, condescension, and emptiness into a single comment
Have you read the manga?? Because in the manga Hessu helping Seungwon to get jiyu is how he develops his feeling…
That was a long-winded way of saying, "your opinions make me uncomfortable, stop thinking for yourself"
"BL is one of the *few* spaces that centers queer love"
Why mess with the one space that’s dedicated to non-straight stories and experiences?
Mainstream media is teeming with "straight" storylines. We should keep BL focused on what it’s meant to do
"One side couple doesn’t erase the central relationship"
It takes time and attention away from what should've been another central "queer" relationship
"If anything, it reflects the fact that queer people exist in a broader world, not some isolated, queer-only vacuum"
"Queer" stories don’t have to include "straight" storylines to prove that point
"So you are saying out of 90 minutes, the 5minsutes that's was given to straight CP is annoying you and spoiling your mood?"
The answer is, "yes"
Imagine watching a mystery, thriller, and for 5 minutes, the detective stops solving the case to start baking cookies, knitting a scarf, giving a TED Talk on migration, and taking a nap. How would that feel?
The "straight" storyline shifts the focus from what some of us came here for
"I guess heterosexuls do have a right to complain when in a straight focused series gives 5 minutes of its attention to the side queer couple"
That comparison would work if "straight" stories were systematically erased from media for decades. Gay works are censored. "Straight" works aren't. Every major movie, drama, and TV show centers on "straight" storylines. And adding a side gay storyline isn’t "taking over," it’s catching up
Then again, most people would call a gay storyline being added to an adaptation of a "straight" work forced, unnecessary, or distracting. The same should be said about "straight" storylines being added to adaptations of gay works
I care about the drama and expect better
Are we allowed to criticize something after it’s derailed the story? Do you wait for a house to burn down before calling the fire department?
A storyline might not ruin everything in episode one or two, it eases into it
"... the girl was the lead"
She's one of the main leads
"PIPE DOWN"
You first
It's not black-and-white thinking, I'm acknowledging how often they’re treated as such
"... romanticize stuff like forced love, toxic relationship"
So do "straight" stories. Ever seen Twilight? Fifty Shades of Grey? Toxicity isn’t a "BL-exclusive" problem. It’s a media problem. The difference is that "straight" media gets to have all kinds of toxic stories. BL gets put under a microscope the second it does something wrong
"... made for straight audiences"
"Straight" identifying women enjoying BL doesn't invalidate the genre. BL provides more consistent, unapologetic, explicit gay love stories than any media out there
"... if side gay couples in straight shows are just “background decoration,” then why is it suddenly a problem when a queer show has side straight couples as decoration?"
Because the "straight" storylines aren't background decoration
Side gay couples in "straight" media get barely any development. "Straight" couples in BLs are given entire arcs
"Have u even watched the episodes?"
I have, and I know about the side lesbian storyline
I don't need to conduct a full analysis of the drama to address the specific problem at hand
Those side gay couples in "straight" media are background decoration for "diversity" points. "Straight" identifying people and gay people criticize them all the time, saying that's not representation
BL is one of the only spaces that doesn't treat gay love as a side dish. And it should stay that way
"Do you live under a rock?"
If you continue acting like "more BLs = no problems," I might consider moving under one for peace and quiet
"Maybe arrange a protest do something that will be actually helpful rather than being a key board warrior activist?"
Typing out a dismissive comment about my "keyboard warrior" activism ... Isn’t that being a keyboard warrior?
I'm "queer," and I'm offended. Many others feel the same. "Straight" identifying or not, they're supportive of gay stories and feel disappointed that they're diminished or excluded
"Queer" shows shouldn't have "straight" side couples for the same reason
You realize a bunch of us raising our eyebrows at this adaptation are "queer" and card-carrying members of the LGB community, right?
Disagreeing with you is "playing the victim card," and you claiming a "straight" identifying person has "talked down" to you isn’t "playing the victim card?" You're framing things to suit your agenda
"I like how some straight shows include side BL (although it might be censored)"
Most "straight" shows don't do that. There's no reason for most BLs to include "straight" storylines in them
"I will probably get blasted for siding this"
From where I’m standing, it’s the people unhappy with this forced change who are being called names and dismissed
Why wouldn't we be mad?
The script writers developed a "straight" relationship between Chan Yeong and Ji Yu, which doesn't exist in the manhwa. Their presence and influence on Hee Su's development could've been achieved within the context of a friendship. Interjecting a "they're more than just friends" angle is unwarranted and "useless" (your word)
Why should the second gay couple's story "appear from season 2 onward?" The timeline could've changed in the adaptation
The writers' ability to generate a new storyline between two friends shows that the same changes could've been done for the second main gay couple. They could've strengthened the second gay couple's connection to Hee Su's story. Doing so, both gay storylines would coexist and contribute to Hee Su's development in an organic manner
"... yoodam and shiwoo are such useless characters"
They're not useless. They're useful for themselves. They have their own aspirations and love stories to tell, which add layers of depth and authenticity to Hee Su's environment. Their value isn't tied to their role in Hee Su's love story, so removing them for not being servants of Hee Su's journey would be short-sighted of you
"... since when they have a fans that care them"
They're one of my favorite couples
The script writers developed a "straight" relationship between Chan Yeong and Ji Yu, which doesn't exist in the manhwa. Their presence and influence on Hee Su's development could've been achieved within the context of a friendship. Interjecting a "they're more than just friends" angle is unwarranted
The writers' ability to generate a new storyline between two friends shows that the same changes could've been done for the second main gay couple. They could've strengthened the second gay couple's connection to Hee Su's story. Doing so, both gay storylines would coexist and contribute to Hee Su's development in an organic manner
""The second couple in the manhwa is just as irrelevant as this mdl's conversations, keeping or removing them won't add something extra for Heesu, the MAIN LEAD"
They're not useless or irrelevant. They're useful and relevant for themselves. They have their own aspirations and love stories to tell, which add layers of depth and authenticity to Hee Su's environment. Their value isn't tied to their role in Hee Su's love story, so removing them for not being servants of Hee Su's journey would be short-sighted of you
"BL is one of the *few* spaces that centers queer love"
Why mess with the one space that’s dedicated to non-straight stories and experiences?
Mainstream media is teeming with "straight" storylines. We should keep BL focused on what it’s meant to do
"One side couple doesn’t erase the central relationship"
It takes time and attention away from what should've been another central "queer" relationship
"If anything, it reflects the fact that queer people exist in a broader world, not some isolated, queer-only vacuum"
"Queer" stories don’t have to include "straight" storylines to prove that point
"So you are saying out of 90 minutes, the 5minsutes that's was given to straight CP is annoying you and spoiling your mood?"
The answer is, "yes"
Imagine watching a mystery, thriller, and for 5 minutes, the detective stops solving the case to start baking cookies, knitting a scarf, giving a TED Talk on migration, and taking a nap. How would that feel?
The "straight" storyline shifts the focus from what some of us came here for
"I guess heterosexuls do have a right to complain when in a straight focused series gives 5 minutes of its attention to the side queer couple"
That comparison would work if "straight" stories were systematically erased from media for decades. Gay works are censored. "Straight" works aren't. Every major movie, drama, and TV show centers on "straight" storylines. And adding a side gay storyline isn’t "taking over," it’s catching up
Then again, most people would call a gay storyline being added to an adaptation of a "straight" work forced, unnecessary, or distracting. The same should be said about "straight" storylines being added to adaptations of gay works