Weird take. Korea have ton of good webtoons & webnovels. Why straight-washing a BL story when they have really…
"The comfort of the actors/actresses also matters .. maybe they don't want to do it"
Then they shouldn't have done it. They don't get to say "yes" to the gay roles and "no" to everything that makes the characters gay
"Manhwa and the adaptation doesn't really need to be the same (in my opinion)" "So what if they straightwashed it"
No one's demanding a frame-by-frame remake. We’re asking for the core identity of the characters and relationships to be respected. And they weren't, by the author and producers
Add one gay character to a straight story and it’s called "woke agenda." Straightwash a gay story and it’s suddenly "creative freedom?" Please. That’s not an adaptation. That's the hypocrisy of the straight agenda ripping out the heart of the gay story
"How is it disrespectful ?? It was pre-decided"
A story, once released into the world, belongs to its audience as much as its author. Straightwashing it would be an act of disrespect towards all those who found comfort and representation within its pages
What are you "pissed at?" Other people disagreeing with you? "We got to see through his point of view all the…
No one twisted these actors’ arms to take on non-straight roles. They auditioned, read the script, and agreed. Why the discomfort? They have a responsibility to immerse themselves in their roles. To let personal discomfort interfere and dampen the characters' gayness for image preservation is a selfish betrayal of the gay characters and community they agreed to represent
Actors who chase self-interest and self-preservation at the expense of their professional responsibilities and the trust between them and their audience are being selfish
"Who are you to them lol ? Just a fan or a criticizer !?"
One of the people their industry relies on for views, ratings, and hype. The moment we ask for something in return, we’re cast as villains threatening their livelihoods. They care little about us, and we owe them the same disregard they’ve shown us
"Changing society needs only little steps made by younger generations"
You call it baby steps, I call it a U-turn into homophobia
Nothing would happen. The removal of so-called "love" would encourage people to tap into other adrenaline-pumping pursuits
My experience of surviving without relationships stands as a counter-argument to the pervasive "love is all you need" narrative propagated by media and society at large
Wow, super surprised by the number of people dismayed by representations of high schoolers having sex. A) Uh,…
"And you know what has always gone over well? Adults judging teens for their choices"
You know what else hasn’t gone over well? Adults sexualizing teenagers and their frequent lapses in judgment
"Don’t like, don’t watch" doesn't work for media. Teenagers internalize messages about boundaries, relationships, and self-worth from the 15+ media they consume. Trivializing teenage "sexual" activity and pregnancies, presenting them as glamorous or consequence-free, would create a skewed perception of sexuality among teenagers
My dislike for most "sexual" content is magnified when teenagers are involved. It's a deal breaker for me
The second part of your complaint is exactly why I felt a bit mixed about the whole show. It does look like they…
"The whole show is about a school enforcing anti-dating policy" "The story starts by merging two single-sex schools together, to facilitate interactions between the two sex"
The decision to merge two single-sex schools to promote opposite-sex interactions, only to restrict those interactions, is contradictory and counterintuitive. If I were in a position of authority, I'd have maintained the original single-sex structure to prevent the increased likelihood of inappropriate opposite-sex interactions and teenage pregnancy that occur in co-ed schools. I prefer the more focused, sheltered atmosphere of single-sex schools
What are you "pissed at?" Other people disagreeing with you? "We got to see through his point of view all the…
Homophobia being a part of one’s culture or norm is no reason for the rest of the world to tolerate it. If some of us gay Asians can reject homophobia within our own cultures, so can and should others
"Korean actors are not like Thai BL actors, their agency plays a big part in their choice of drama"
Actors needing permission slips to play fictional roles is performative censorship. Yet another bad habit Korea could afford to outgrow
"They don't have to risk their job just cause they want to satisfy a group of fanbase!"
It's not the fanbase's fault that actors are pressured to avoid non-straight roles to protect their careers. The underlying problem is society's fear of diversity
People are saying Heesu is the one with side role .. but no ! We got to see through his point of view all the…
What are you "pissed at?" Other people disagreeing with you?
"We got to see through his point of view all the time ... He's the main character"
The main character of a story isn't always the narrator or the one whose eyes we see through, it’s the character whose experiences hold the greatest weight and significance
The adaptation devoted more time and energy to other characters' arcs and experiences than Hee Su's. Hee Su felt like a side character
"You know people of Korea .. nd what they're like (Majority of asians are big time Homophobic)"
Cultural norms change. They don't excuse staying stuck in outdated thinking. And we should stop using past examples as a reason to not move forward or expect better
"We already know how Nam Yoon-su main lead of "Love in the big city" got so much hate for working in a BL"
Why are you babying him? He knew what he's doing. Actors accept job offers knowing their careers come with a mix of risk and reward
"Be thankful that they gave us a good quality BL atleast"
I'm grateful they didn’t give us a blurry, pixelated webcam version filmed in someone’s basement. That’s where my gratitude ends. I'm not grateful they straightwashed the original story, and I won't glorify the adaptation as the ultimate achievement in BL storytelling or gay representation
Both "Heesu in the Background Of Class 2" and "Dementia in Class 2" (suggested by someone in the comments) should be the official titles. The adaptation was mostly based on vibes and not the source material. It forgot what and whose story it was supposed to be telling
actually this might just be me i read this story over 3 years ago and can’t remember anything except that it…
"Dementia in Class 2" deserves to be the official title. The adaptation was mostly based on vibes and not the source material. It forgot what story it was supposed to be telling
"Realism" is the duct tape some commenters and reviewers have been using to hold this broken adaptation together
Were relatability and realism the goal? The producers dodged both for some of us. One glance at high school life in Asia would reveal countless students buried in books. The only thing the high schoolers in my school and I had time to be in a relationship with was our textbooks. And things haven't changed in university. Instead of slamming my head against a desk, I'm slamming it against my dissertation proposal. The wall doesn't get softer, and I can't relate to university romance, let alone a high school one. A true-to-life, relatable Asian high school story would focus less on romance and more on the heartbreak of seeing the word "exam" on the board
Kinda peeped it was going to be bad when the author said the drama has its own ‘charm.’ It’s like a polite…
The author’s been politely clapping, trying to frame the adaptation as a masterpiece, the way a parent/guardian would frame their kid's questionable kindergarten art. We’re the brutally honest relatives giving it a slow, respectful boo. Everyone’s pulling their weight
Honestly, it feels good to see all the hate this show is getting, since I’ve been a certified hater ever since…
We've been singing the "this straightwashed adaptation sucks" anthem since the dawn of time ... or at least since the day it was released. Others were determined to ignore our wisdom
"That’s like complaining that dragons don’t follow the laws of aerodynamics"
Dragons are mythical creatures with no direct real-world equivalent, whereas omegaverse appropriates and manipulates real-world, familiar terminology related to species, sex (man or woman), gender roles, and pregnancy. This connection to reality warrants a closer examination and criticism
The extreme fantastical essence of omegaverse demands a linguistic framework that distances itself from the real world. "Man" and "pregnancy" clash with and undermine the fantasy. You should coin new terms that better encapsulate omegas' fantastical, non-human characteristics
It's intellectual laziness to shut down criticism of dragons, omegas, etc, on the basis that they're fictional. Fiction is a product of the societal norms and biases present at the time of its creation that influences and is influenced by its consumers. Deconstructing it using real-world reasoning and analysis, we become better equipped to identify its underlying messages, agendas, and biases. It'd promote a more critical, thoughtful engagement with fiction
"The entire point of fiction—especially fantasy and AU genres—is to imagine things differently"
Omegaverse doesn't imagine things differently, it assigns the alpha the traditional role of the husband or authoritative head of household, and the omega, that of the pregnant wife. Top or bottom, they mimic heteronormative gender norms and violate each other's bodies
I’m of the belief that omegaverse is a Frankenstein’s monster stitched together from the ugliest parts of patriarchy—heat cycles in place of free will and consent, bodies stripped of autonomy and reduced to baby-making machines. The difference is that the omegaverse version of patriarchy growls and "mates"
"By that logic, every sci-fi/fantasy story with non-human reproduction is straight"
It is straight
"Maybe step outside your rigid little box ..."
The omegaverse box is the rigid box. Alphas do this, omegas do that. They're bound and limited by pre-established gender roles and expectations
"... wasting your precious 'every fiber' on something you could simply... ignore"
You didn't ignore my comments, why would I ignore tropes that I dislike?
Speaking sense would require a working understanding of the human body
Pregnancy isn't a function of men or males. And a creature that resembles a man but has the capabilities of a woman can't be classified as a man or human male. The creature (e.g., omega) would be a woman with a masculine appearance or a humanoid from another species with a combination of male and female features. The story would be entirely, or partially, straight in both instances
Then they shouldn't have done it. They don't get to say "yes" to the gay roles and "no" to everything that makes the characters gay
"Manhwa and the adaptation doesn't really need to be the same (in my opinion)"
"So what if they straightwashed it"
No one's demanding a frame-by-frame remake. We’re asking for the core identity of the characters and relationships to be respected. And they weren't, by the author and producers
Add one gay character to a straight story and it’s called "woke agenda." Straightwash a gay story and it’s suddenly "creative freedom?" Please. That’s not an adaptation. That's the hypocrisy of the straight agenda ripping out the heart of the gay story
"How is it disrespectful ?? It was pre-decided"
A story, once released into the world, belongs to its audience as much as its author. Straightwashing it would be an act of disrespect towards all those who found comfort and representation within its pages
Actors who chase self-interest and self-preservation at the expense of their professional responsibilities and the trust between them and their audience are being selfish
"Who are you to them lol ? Just a fan or a criticizer !?"
One of the people their industry relies on for views, ratings, and hype. The moment we ask for something in return, we’re cast as villains threatening their livelihoods. They care little about us, and we owe them the same disregard they’ve shown us
"Changing society needs only little steps made by younger generations"
You call it baby steps, I call it a U-turn into homophobia
My experience of surviving without relationships stands as a counter-argument to the pervasive "love is all you need" narrative propagated by media and society at large
Or as I'd like to call it, a certified waste of time
You know what else hasn’t gone over well? Adults sexualizing teenagers and their frequent lapses in judgment
"Don’t like, don’t watch" doesn't work for media. Teenagers internalize messages about boundaries, relationships, and self-worth from the 15+ media they consume. Trivializing teenage "sexual" activity and pregnancies, presenting them as glamorous or consequence-free, would create a skewed perception of sexuality among teenagers
My dislike for most "sexual" content is magnified when teenagers are involved. It's a deal breaker for me
"The story starts by merging two single-sex schools together, to facilitate interactions between the two sex"
The decision to merge two single-sex schools to promote opposite-sex interactions, only to restrict those interactions, is contradictory and counterintuitive. If I were in a position of authority, I'd have maintained the original single-sex structure to prevent the increased likelihood of inappropriate opposite-sex interactions and teenage pregnancy that occur in co-ed schools. I prefer the more focused, sheltered atmosphere of single-sex schools
"Korean actors are not like Thai BL actors, their agency plays a big part in their choice of drama"
Actors needing permission slips to play fictional roles is performative censorship. Yet another bad habit Korea could afford to outgrow
"They don't have to risk their job just cause they want to satisfy a group of fanbase!"
It's not the fanbase's fault that actors are pressured to avoid non-straight roles to protect their careers. The underlying problem is society's fear of diversity
"We got to see through his point of view all the time ... He's the main character"
The main character of a story isn't always the narrator or the one whose eyes we see through, it’s the character whose experiences hold the greatest weight and significance
The adaptation devoted more time and energy to other characters' arcs and experiences than Hee Su's. Hee Su felt like a side character
"You know people of Korea .. nd what they're like (Majority of asians are big time Homophobic)"
Cultural norms change. They don't excuse staying stuck in outdated thinking. And we should stop using past examples as a reason to not move forward or expect better
"We already know how Nam Yoon-su main lead of "Love in the big city" got so much hate for working in a BL"
Why are you babying him? He knew what he's doing. Actors accept job offers knowing their careers come with a mix of risk and reward
"Be thankful that they gave us a good quality BL atleast"
I'm grateful they didn’t give us a blurry, pixelated webcam version filmed in someone’s basement. That’s where my gratitude ends. I'm not grateful they straightwashed the original story, and I won't glorify the adaptation as the ultimate achievement in BL storytelling or gay representation
Were relatability and realism the goal? The producers dodged both for some of us. One glance at high school life in Asia would reveal countless students buried in books. The only thing the high schoolers in my school and I had time to be in a relationship with was our textbooks. And things haven't changed in university. Instead of slamming my head against a desk, I'm slamming it against my dissertation proposal. The wall doesn't get softer, and I can't relate to university romance, let alone a high school one. A true-to-life, relatable Asian high school story would focus less on romance and more on the heartbreak of seeing the word "exam" on the board
Omegaverse is homophobia in heat, it's not homophobic to dislike it
Dragons are mythical creatures with no direct real-world equivalent, whereas omegaverse appropriates and manipulates real-world, familiar terminology related to species, sex (man or woman), gender roles, and pregnancy. This connection to reality warrants a closer examination and criticism
The extreme fantastical essence of omegaverse demands a linguistic framework that distances itself from the real world. "Man" and "pregnancy" clash with and undermine the fantasy. You should coin new terms that better encapsulate omegas' fantastical, non-human characteristics
It's intellectual laziness to shut down criticism of dragons, omegas, etc, on the basis that they're fictional. Fiction is a product of the societal norms and biases present at the time of its creation that influences and is influenced by its consumers. Deconstructing it using real-world reasoning and analysis, we become better equipped to identify its underlying messages, agendas, and biases. It'd promote a more critical, thoughtful engagement with fiction
"The entire point of fiction—especially fantasy and AU genres—is to imagine things differently"
Omegaverse doesn't imagine things differently, it assigns the alpha the traditional role of the husband or authoritative head of household, and the omega, that of the pregnant wife. Top or bottom, they mimic heteronormative gender norms and violate each other's bodies
I’m of the belief that omegaverse is a Frankenstein’s monster stitched together from the ugliest parts of patriarchy—heat cycles in place of free will and consent, bodies stripped of autonomy and reduced to baby-making machines. The difference is that the omegaverse version of patriarchy growls and "mates"
"By that logic, every sci-fi/fantasy story with non-human reproduction is straight"
It is straight
"Maybe step outside your rigid little box ..."
The omegaverse box is the rigid box. Alphas do this, omegas do that. They're bound and limited by pre-established gender roles and expectations
"... wasting your precious 'every fiber' on something you could simply... ignore"
You didn't ignore my comments, why would I ignore tropes that I dislike?
You keep doing you, and I’ll keep doing me, disliking omegaverse with every fiber of my being
Pregnancy isn't a function of men or males. And a creature that resembles a man but has the capabilities of a woman can't be classified as a man or human male. The creature (e.g., omega) would be a woman with a masculine appearance or a humanoid from another species with a combination of male and female features. The story would be entirely, or partially, straight in both instances