it was my first time watching an ongoing drama while actively checking mdl comments and i think that was a big…
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Could someone explain to me that why does the younger brother wants to stop their marriage as I don’t understand…
As it seems, the brother things that FL is not good enough for Do-han. She's a 'failed' actress and not suitable for future company boss. Usually, the children of chaebol are supposed to marry children of powerful people.
I watched it only because of Sung Hoon whom I've since I first saw him in My Secret Romance (even though I didn't…
What about his age? He's 40 and still looks fine, in my opinion. In this drama, he wasn't supposed to portray a teenager or someone in his 20s but a man in his 30s. I'm always glad to see an aging actor who looks "his age".
good, don’t watch it. this masterpiece doesn’t deserve to be watched by an insecure man child.
#2 In short, Goffman's theory is that everybody is an actor in real life who plays different roles depending on the context. (Of course, "all people" is short for more or less healthy people and does not include, for example, comatose people.)
#3 Yes, that's right but I doubt that Over9000 was interested in the actor's actual sexuality. At least, I hope so because everything else would be either creepy or suspicious. It's no coincidence that I mentioned the woke agenda after he used that word because that's exactly what many of the wokists do: checking if an actor is "pure" enough to play a fictional character. If you want to encourage somebody to reconsider his point of view, the best approach is usually to try to understand his point of view, and to speak his language.
In my personal opinion, everybody is entitled to his personal preferences even if I don't share them. Life is too short to waste one's time with watching dramas just to please other people.
i m pretty sure those arent your normal cigarettes cant have your actors become addicts or ruin their health i…
If those were fake cigarettes, I'm really awed because they looked so real (to me as a non-smoker), and the actors also looked as if they were actually smoking on screen.
Thanks to you, I've just figured out that there are herbal cigarettes. I cannot believe, though, that it does not affect your health in any way if you smoke them the whole day for multiple weeks, and so do the people around you.
Also, the herbal cigarettes in the videos on Youtube do not look like actual cigarettes when being smoked. I somehow doubt that they added special effects to each cigarette in this drama because that would be very expensive.
good, don’t watch it. this masterpiece doesn’t deserve to be watched by an insecure man child.
#1 Yes, there are people who show their religion. In my country, those people are not perceived well if they are within my country. Showing one's religion is associated with zealotry. Also, I never claimed that all feminine men were gay.
#2 Do you know "habitus"? And do you know Erwin Goffman's "The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life", a very important sociological book? (Important if you are interested in human social interaction.) Of course, those are concepts/theories, not the truth™. However, they explain certain behaviours I'm interested in well.
#3 I wasn't talking about conversations. Acting gay in public while no other gay people and only strangers are around is not a conversation, it's a rutting call. (Same for the straight macho.)
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Yes, I'm very interested in the difference between normal and not normal. That's not a secret. I don't think, though, that there is a clear separator because there are so many different factors. However, just because there is no clear separator does not mean that there were not different categories. The "normal" part is the area where you thought I thought the clear separator was.
In my opinion, the romance was interesting in the first few episodes. However, as the drama proceeded, the main…
What makes you think that I were angry at FL? I didn't write that anywhere. Unlike the brother, she's not a cheater but made a few mistakes in my opinion.
If you read carefully, you'll notice that I was mainly adressing the bad writing. The drama repeats multiple times that FL and Do-han were best friends but, as @Onelastgoodbye stated, there is no "best friends" vibe.
In good fiction, you always have to "prove", not just claim. You named yourself after a drama in which the ML is supposed to be Italian. If he had never spoken any Italian while in Italy, nobody would have bought the Italian part. The writers proved that the claim regarding Italian was true.
If this drama here had better writing, we would get proper explanations. Even IF FL decided to focus on the brother only, there would have been scenes where she discussed that matter with her best friend, and where she at least tried to help him find a solution for his problem. In the end, they made a contract, she agreed to help him with his plan. Every decent human is true to one's word, or, if there is a good reason why one cannot be true to one's word, one would at least tell the other person about it as fast as possible.
In the eyes of the society, her best friend might look like a loser who cannot control his cheating wife. Remember that the purpose of the whole marriage is to make Do-han look "good" in the eyes of the society. FL is a grown-up woman, so she knows it. So do the writers who are Koreans.
If it is still not clear what I mean, here's an analogy: Imagine the ML of "Vincenzo" was claimed to be an Italian lawyer with mafia connections, yet you never hear him speak Italian in Italy. When he acts as a lawyer, he not even once takes a book on law, or mentions a paragraph, or consults anyone. Yet the drama constantly mentions that he's a lawyer. He shows up in court, and once the judge sees him, Vincenzo wins the case because the judge got persuaded by Vincenzo's good looks. However, this is not comedy, the writers expect you to believe that it works this way in real life. ML is also claimed to be part of the mafia. Yet you never see any weapon, no explosion, no mafia guys. It's just a claim. And the whole drama consists of ML flirting with the woman while eating in Subway and advertising products and companies. Would you have enjoyed it as much as you did if it had been like I described? Or did you just like it because of the main lead?
If you don't think you had enjoyed that drama, would you have complained? If so, how dare you complain because the Italian mafia lawyer is flirting with FL, so he does not have time to do the mafia and lawyer stuff, and since FL is Korean, he does not need to speak Italian. Promises he made to the mafia? Well, that's not important if you have a future wife in front of you, so think twice before criticising ML.
If the writers had dropped the unnecessary "barista love story" side story, which does not contribute to the main story in any way, there would have been room for solving problems, and to focus on building the romance up. I mean why are we supposed to be interested in the ML's assistant's love story while Do-han, one of the main characters, gets neglected storywise?
When I watched episode 8 (I think), I had to check a few times whether I accidentally skipped an episoded because Ah-jeong and Ji-han were suddenly a lovey-dovey couple not worrying about anything. I was like "wait a second, when and how did that happen? And what about Do-han? Did FL and/or Ji-han speak with him, and I missed that part?".
I'm not that into romance but, like you, I enjoy it a lot if it is built-up properly, so I can reenact the "stages" step by step.
one of my fav makjangsthe plot was messy i loved it lolthe FL and mother in law were so pretty i loved themthe…
His acting skills are indeed limited but I was surprised how vivid he became in the hotel room scene after his character and FL got married and he wanted to share the bed. That's when I thought: Why does he show some acting skills only when his character is horny? XD
I like both of these actors but I can't really see a woman Shin Hyun Been's age realistically date a 23 year old…
It depends on the actor. I recently watched a drama (Perfect Marriage Revenge) where FL was 30+, and her husband was supposed to be her age. When he showed up, I was like "eww, why did they pick a guy who's barely 18 yo for this role? Who is supposed to believe he's 20, let alone 30?". Then I looked up the actor's age: 30. Oops. Believe me or not but I could not unsee the teenager despite knowing that the actor was significantly older than 18.
He was so cute and funny in "Just between Lovers". A man baby throwing a tantrum all the time. You just couldn't take his character seriously (which was obviously done on purpose, not saying that his character was a joke due to bad acting).
This might be controversial but wondering if anyone else is thinking this; I have a problem with Moon Sang Min's…
You are not the only one. However, I think his stiff acting it fits the "business man" character. Ji-han has always been calculating since he was a child. Since Moon Sang-min is at least able to show a range of facial expressions, I don't complain. I have seen way worse actors in the main role in romance dramas.
Moon Sang-min is still very young and hasn't been in many dramas yet. Also, he seems to be quite tall, so he'll probably have to figure out a way to move his arms without slapping FL's face or boobs each time. There is hope that he'll improve his acting further while gaining more experience in future dramas. :)
Reading the comments here.....so let me get this straight...jihan and ANJ are terrible people because they want…
I don't think that Do-han is pissed because she fell in love. I think he is pissed because she dates his brother behind his back instead of telling him about that. And he is pissed because his brother chased after her when he was still "straight". So his brother obviously betrayed him. Why "betrayed"? Well, why should a rich straight male marry a poor, "unsuccessful" actress if not for love?
This whole situation reminds me of a very nice guy who loved to "rescue" women out of a relationship with a boring guy. He, the white knight, then happened to be those women's next boy friend, and got mad when those women cheated on HIM, the perfect guy. Whenever I asked him why he is surprised that a cheater cheats on him, he claimed that she hadn't cheated with him on the first guy because that first guy had been some loser she hadn't loved anymore anyway. This is how he met almost all his gfs, and almost all of them eventually cheated on him. From his point of view, his life was full of romantic love stories with a tragic ending. The biggest love story ever told. He even told me that somebody should write a novel about him.
For other people, he was rather a cheater and enabler full of himself. I despise guys like him, and Ji-han reminds me of him.
Anyway, instead of discussing this whole disaster after Ji-han learnt about the nature of the marriage, he suddenly acts like the biggest victim on earth making Do-han look like a monster even though Ah-jeong knows that Do-han is gay, and that the marriage is fake. She gets money to be Do-han's wife.
Who on earth is supposed to agree with this behaviour? One has to ignore and forget a lot of things to find this story romantic. Maybe children think that it is normal that the people in real life are supposed make room once the main character shows up. Like the "main characters" in the tiktok videos. I think most adults expect a bit more "realism" to be able to relate to the characters and the situation.
I found the flirting relatively entertaining but I cannot look beyond the fact that Ji-han is basically a cheater because he chases after his brother's fiancée long before he learnt about the fake marriage and Do-han's homosexuality. Since Ah-jeong is poor and an "unsuccessful" actress, there is no other reason for a rich, straight Do-han to marry her, if not for love. Ji-han basically betrays his brother knowing that he might break his heart.
When Ji-han realised that he was romantically interested in Ah-jeong, wanted to date her, and she reciprocated his feelings, he should have confessed to his brother. Instead he decided to date and kiss her behind his brother's back.
When his brother found that out and got angry, we were supposed to get angry at him for not making room for the "sweet main couple". Very romantic. :/
In my opinion, the romance was interesting in the first few episodes. However, as the drama proceeded, the main…
SML = second main lead, so Do-Han is a main character.
It is ok that he has to make room. He is gay, so he and FL won't be a couple anyway.
What I don't like is how he gets treated in this story. The drama starts with the claim that he's FL's male best friend. They trust each other. He and FL make a contract, and both will benefit from it. So far, so good.
However, getting disposed just because the some straight penis comes into FL's life contradicts the claim that Do-Han is FL's best friend. They need to discuss the problems as best friends but this simply does not happen. Instead, we are supposed to accept that best friends have to make room immediately and wait until FL is single again to be supportive until the next straight penis shows up.
In other dramas, the FL has got female best friends, and those FLs never treat their female best friends as disposable characters. Those best friends are never expected to make room. If they are angry for some reason, the problems get sorted out. The new guy in FL's life never replaces the best female friend.
Why is this not the case with the gay male best friend? It's not like the straight guy has to worry that the gay guy might suddenly decide to become straight and chase after FL.
For most people, best friends means more than disposable acquaintance. If Do-han had been introduced as a stranger, it would be understandable why he has to make room within the story.
That's my point. Not the fact that Do-Han obviously cannot demand that FL stays single forever.
But why tf grandpa hates jihan so much bro? He just throw jihan to protect dohan. i am not saying dohan is selfish.…
What makes you feel that the grandpa hates Ji-han? Did I miss anything?
From what I understood, the grandfather is the only one who accepts Ji-han and Do-han as family members. We saw in many episodes that Ji-han gets supported and promoted in the company. In one of the last episodes, the grandpa even mentioned in front of Ji-han's collegues that he is the grandpa, which is a big deal.
However, we must not forget that Ji-han and Do-han are known as the offspring of a cheater. This is a major stain on their reputation. The grandpa knows very well that a little mistake could make Ji-han and Do-han lose everything, so it makes sense that he is strict with them and basically teaches them how to avoid any scandals.
Long story short, I don't think that the grandpa hates Ji-han. I think he loves the two brothers a lot but cannot show it because he is a respected cheabol who must not show any affection/weakness.
How's the romance? Slow burn or fast paced? Any love triangles?
In my opinion, the romance was interesting in the first few episodes. However, as the drama proceeded, the main characters should have told Do-han that they were dating. At some point, it just felt like cheating.
When Do-han figured it out, his brother got angry making himself look like the biggest victim, and the writers obviously want us to believe that he basically is the victim here. And now we are supposed to root for the main couple without asking any questions, so the writers do not have to sort all the problems out. Do-han, despite being a main character, now rather feels like a support character. He is obviously supposed to accept the main couple, and to make room for them. This does not feel right to me, and for this reason, I'm not invested in the love story anymore.
The premise of the drama is very intriguing. Unfortunately, it does not get explored well. The latest episodes mainly focus on the ordinary love story and basically demoted the male main character Do-han to a mere support role. We don't know yet what the remaining two episodes might contain.
If you watch this drama mainly for the romance, you'll probably enjoy it. If you want to see more of the Do-han side, well, you'll probably get disappointed us.
All in all, this drama is still entertaining, in my opinion. I'm looking forward to the ending.
#3 Yes, that's right but I doubt that Over9000 was interested in the actor's actual sexuality. At least, I hope so because everything else would be either creepy or suspicious. It's no coincidence that I mentioned the woke agenda after he used that word because that's exactly what many of the wokists do: checking if an actor is "pure" enough to play a fictional character. If you want to encourage somebody to reconsider his point of view, the best approach is usually to try to understand his point of view, and to speak his language.
In my personal opinion, everybody is entitled to his personal preferences even if I don't share them. Life is too short to waste one's time with watching dramas just to please other people.
Thanks to you, I've just figured out that there are herbal cigarettes. I cannot believe, though, that it does not affect your health in any way if you smoke them the whole day for multiple weeks, and so do the people around you.
Also, the herbal cigarettes in the videos on Youtube do not look like actual cigarettes when being smoked. I somehow doubt that they added special effects to each cigarette in this drama because that would be very expensive.
#2 Do you know "habitus"? And do you know Erwin Goffman's "The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life", a very important sociological book? (Important if you are interested in human social interaction.) Of course, those are concepts/theories, not the truth™. However, they explain certain behaviours I'm interested in well.
#3 I wasn't talking about conversations. Acting gay in public while no other gay people and only strangers are around is not a conversation, it's a rutting call. (Same for the straight macho.)
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Yes, I'm very interested in the difference between normal and not normal. That's not a secret. I don't think, though, that there is a clear separator because there are so many different factors. However, just because there is no clear separator does not mean that there were not different categories. The "normal" part is the area where you thought I thought the clear separator was.
If you read carefully, you'll notice that I was mainly adressing the bad writing. The drama repeats multiple times that FL and Do-han were best friends but, as @Onelastgoodbye stated, there is no "best friends" vibe.
In good fiction, you always have to "prove", not just claim. You named yourself after a drama in which the ML is supposed to be Italian. If he had never spoken any Italian while in Italy, nobody would have bought the Italian part. The writers proved that the claim regarding Italian was true.
If this drama here had better writing, we would get proper explanations. Even IF FL decided to focus on the brother only, there would have been scenes where she discussed that matter with her best friend, and where she at least tried to help him find a solution for his problem. In the end, they made a contract, she agreed to help him with his plan. Every decent human is true to one's word, or, if there is a good reason why one cannot be true to one's word, one would at least tell the other person about it as fast as possible.
In the eyes of the society, her best friend might look like a loser who cannot control his cheating wife. Remember that the purpose of the whole marriage is to make Do-han look "good" in the eyes of the society. FL is a grown-up woman, so she knows it. So do the writers who are Koreans.
If it is still not clear what I mean, here's an analogy: Imagine the ML of "Vincenzo" was claimed to be an Italian lawyer with mafia connections, yet you never hear him speak Italian in Italy. When he acts as a lawyer, he not even once takes a book on law, or mentions a paragraph, or consults anyone. Yet the drama constantly mentions that he's a lawyer. He shows up in court, and once the judge sees him, Vincenzo wins the case because the judge got persuaded by Vincenzo's good looks. However, this is not comedy, the writers expect you to believe that it works this way in real life. ML is also claimed to be part of the mafia. Yet you never see any weapon, no explosion, no mafia guys. It's just a claim. And the whole drama consists of ML flirting with the woman while eating in Subway and advertising products and companies. Would you have enjoyed it as much as you did if it had been like I described? Or did you just like it because of the main lead?
If you don't think you had enjoyed that drama, would you have complained? If so, how dare you complain because the Italian mafia lawyer is flirting with FL, so he does not have time to do the mafia and lawyer stuff, and since FL is Korean, he does not need to speak Italian. Promises he made to the mafia? Well, that's not important if you have a future wife in front of you, so think twice before criticising ML.
When I watched episode 8 (I think), I had to check a few times whether I accidentally skipped an episoded because Ah-jeong and Ji-han were suddenly a lovey-dovey couple not worrying about anything. I was like "wait a second, when and how did that happen? And what about Do-han? Did FL and/or Ji-han speak with him, and I missed that part?".
I'm not that into romance but, like you, I enjoy it a lot if it is built-up properly, so I can reenact the "stages" step by step.
Moon Sang-min is still very young and hasn't been in many dramas yet. Also, he seems to be quite tall, so he'll probably have to figure out a way to move his arms without slapping FL's face or boobs each time. There is hope that he'll improve his acting further while gaining more experience in future dramas. :)
This whole situation reminds me of a very nice guy who loved to "rescue" women out of a relationship with a boring guy. He, the white knight, then happened to be those women's next boy friend, and got mad when those women cheated on HIM, the perfect guy. Whenever I asked him why he is surprised that a cheater cheats on him, he claimed that she hadn't cheated with him on the first guy because that first guy had been some loser she hadn't loved anymore anyway. This is how he met almost all his gfs, and almost all of them eventually cheated on him. From his point of view, his life was full of romantic love stories with a tragic ending. The biggest love story ever told. He even told me that somebody should write a novel about him.
For other people, he was rather a cheater and enabler full of himself. I despise guys like him, and Ji-han reminds me of him.
Anyway, instead of discussing this whole disaster after Ji-han learnt about the nature of the marriage, he suddenly acts like the biggest victim on earth making Do-han look like a monster even though Ah-jeong knows that Do-han is gay, and that the marriage is fake. She gets money to be Do-han's wife.
Who on earth is supposed to agree with this behaviour? One has to ignore and forget a lot of things to find this story romantic. Maybe children think that it is normal that the people in real life are supposed make room once the main character shows up. Like the "main characters" in the tiktok videos. I think most adults expect a bit more "realism" to be able to relate to the characters and the situation.
When Ji-han realised that he was romantically interested in Ah-jeong, wanted to date her, and she reciprocated his feelings, he should have confessed to his brother. Instead he decided to date and kiss her behind his brother's back.
When his brother found that out and got angry, we were supposed to get angry at him for not making room for the "sweet main couple". Very romantic. :/
It is ok that he has to make room. He is gay, so he and FL won't be a couple anyway.
What I don't like is how he gets treated in this story. The drama starts with the claim that he's FL's male best friend. They trust each other. He and FL make a contract, and both will benefit from it. So far, so good.
However, getting disposed just because the some straight penis comes into FL's life contradicts the claim that Do-Han is FL's best friend. They need to discuss the problems as best friends but this simply does not happen. Instead, we are supposed to accept that best friends have to make room immediately and wait until FL is single again to be supportive until the next straight penis shows up.
In other dramas, the FL has got female best friends, and those FLs never treat their female best friends as disposable characters. Those best friends are never expected to make room. If they are angry for some reason, the problems get sorted out. The new guy in FL's life never replaces the best female friend.
Why is this not the case with the gay male best friend? It's not like the straight guy has to worry that the gay guy might suddenly decide to become straight and chase after FL.
For most people, best friends means more than disposable acquaintance. If Do-han had been introduced as a stranger, it would be understandable why he has to make room within the story.
That's my point. Not the fact that Do-Han obviously cannot demand that FL stays single forever.
From what I understood, the grandfather is the only one who accepts Ji-han and Do-han as family members. We saw in many episodes that Ji-han gets supported and promoted in the company. In one of the last episodes, the grandpa even mentioned in front of Ji-han's collegues that he is the grandpa, which is a big deal.
However, we must not forget that Ji-han and Do-han are known as the offspring of a cheater. This is a major stain on their reputation. The grandpa knows very well that a little mistake could make Ji-han and Do-han lose everything, so it makes sense that he is strict with them and basically teaches them how to avoid any scandals.
Long story short, I don't think that the grandpa hates Ji-han. I think he loves the two brothers a lot but cannot show it because he is a respected cheabol who must not show any affection/weakness.
When Do-han figured it out, his brother got angry making himself look like the biggest victim, and the writers obviously want us to believe that he basically is the victim here. And now we are supposed to root for the main couple without asking any questions, so the writers do not have to sort all the problems out. Do-han, despite being a main character, now rather feels like a support character. He is obviously supposed to accept the main couple, and to make room for them. This does not feel right to me, and for this reason, I'm not invested in the love story anymore.
If you watch this drama mainly for the romance, you'll probably enjoy it. If you want to see more of the Do-han side, well, you'll probably get disappointed us.
All in all, this drama is still entertaining, in my opinion. I'm looking forward to the ending.