Kaleidoscopic

Not the same, this is a semi-remake. Remember the script the ML writes at the end of the movie? This is supposed to be that, with him doing things differently and changing their ending. Or maybe it is a parallel universe he dreamed about. But you get the point.

They only reveal everything about him around ep 35

He is actually a good guy. He is only pretending to be evil to protect the ML and expose the villains from the inside. This only gets revealed towards the very end though.

I could tell you but it will be a major spoiler. Is that ok?

Finished it and????? so they just decided to completely forget about the Queen aging down which, knowing the whole plot......

??????

I mean sure, it could be to keep the road open for S2 but seems quite stupid that Li Bing NEVER thought of it.

Things to take away from ep 16:-

1) HW, unsurprisingly, is still very much in love with HH.

2) CJxDH, goodbye my loves. Maybe in a parallel universe.....😭😭😭😭

That's it. And oh! Does YJ have a cult? Am I going to have a believer come knocking on my door soon to tell me about their lord and savior?

There had been rumors before the show started that JWxJE will be endgame. Of course, that is just ONE of the several rumors floating around. Nevertheless, it is an exciting possibility to think about. There was the Haeeun and Hyungyu couple from last season which happened over a short period of time as well and despite the girl being very much into her ex so if that happens now as well, it will be fun. Makes for a nice story. Jongeun also comes off as pretty cool and Juwon is well-liked so it all comes together. IF. Who knows, let's see.

Ep 15:-

First of all, a round of applause for the ladies, especially Seokyung, for doing what the men didn't have the balls to do and saving this episode. THANK YOU. I have to admit, for the thousands of ways I had envisioned the JExJW drama happening or not happening, never in a million years could I have imagined it happening because of SK being petty ROFLMAO. It will be divine retribution if it actually becomes endgame and I will be HERE for it. Had been on the verge of dropping this but Seokyung, being the toxic queen we all knew she is, gave the show a new life LMAO. Girl, keep at it. Wreck havoc.

As for the others - Changjin needs to grow a backbone, still don't know how Yujung has managed to evade the weekly witch-hunts, Hyewon was being....Hyewon. Though at least DJxHW feels way more genuine than JWxYJ. KT & HH being the therapists of the night was hilarious.

P.S. Previews are misleading but just to take the ep 16 one on face value for the moment - Hyewon cracked me up. Hwihyun could be on the other side of the damn planet and sneeze in the general east direction and Hyewon would be like "Omg! Does he like me?!!"

I can just imagine the devastation he must have felt to finally hear her say love after months of dating, but in the negative. Poor guy.

Yeah....and there's a HUGE difference between not saying I love you and saying "I don't love you". I mean I like her otherwise (AND I am rooting for her to bring some drama into Juwon's life) so this is not to hate on her in general but really hated how she couldn't even say a simple "I did not regret our relationship" to Kwangtae at the end. I get being honest but girl come on, there's a time and place for it. Besides, it is not like she didn't lie with the "I don't love you" thing already so she could have totally said a white lie there and given Kwangtae some peace and closure. It is not like the world will end *eyeroll*. Stop adding to the trauma if you really know where you were wrong.

Oh they have loads of chemistry! But alas! I do think that Dahye can still get serious....if only she feels that Changjin wants to as well. But Changjin is way too hung up over his ex which in turn also makes her close herself off and keep going back to Dongjin. It is funny because both of them are people whose exes haven't given them even an atom-sized hope of getting back together but they still. refuse. to. move. on. Dahye I can still understand but Changjin, man, come ON.

Finally some baby steps between Hwihyun and Seokyung! I want them both to breathe some new life into each other and the show. Too bad about the Dongjin date, such a wasted opportunity. If only HH & SK had talked more before that. The possibility of a late surprising couple is the only thing keeping me afloat with the JWxCatfish rumor losing more & more ground to stand on.

Dahye Changjin PLEASE notice what you two have and stop going after your exes!

Jongeun is great and she better leave the house with a man. Liked her date with Dongjin more than DJxHW. Funny, considering I had been waiting to see some development in them right from the start but I have honestly gotten tired of them, individually and together.

LMAO love how direct and outspoken Sangjeong is regarding all her messed up ex related feelings. Also love that Minhyung understands and takes it in stride. Was also great to see her little platonic moment with DJ & Juwon.

Speaking of, still not on the Juwon and Yujung train. Theirs is a case of good timing and no other options (in Juwon's case). The only other girls Juwon has gone on dates with are Dahye and Sangjeong. DH was way too early and clearly not over her ex. Sangjeong was more available so Juwon did put in 1% of effort afterwards but SJ had no interest in him. Yujung however was available and invested right as he decided to try it out with other people after the SK fight. And of course, Hyewon was very clearly moping. That is the only reason why JWxYJ have managed to come this far. If YJ were to start something with someone else, Juwon would honestly give up without caring too much. Seokyung is the only one he truly likes so far. Jongeun may have a chance but with so little time left and her going on a date with Changjin next......SIGH.

Now, I haven't been the biggest fan of Kwangtae (neither the biggest hater) but him at the end did make me want to give the poor guy a hug.

P.S. Juwon is so attuned to Seokyung. Did you guys see him whip his head in her direction when she let out a small little sigh after the messages, despite the noise around him? Yeah....

EP 14 Thoughts

No rant this time, phew.

Aww I will hold out hope still

It has been a bit lonely for sure haha

nice to have our own little corner

Hm we have started to go in circles so I think it is best to conclude things here. Apart from ep 13, Hyewon's motivations have always been understandable, that was never the point. Most of my actual criticism of her actions stem from ep 13 which you also agree was not a good look on her. As for Hwihyun who is the main subject, we have completely differing reads on him that are pretty set so I don't think we can debate that any further, especially since that is the crux upon which the whole blame game balance rests. Funnily enough, I had been about to type in my previous comment that HH couldn't have been clearer in their last conversation but you saw his words as the complete opposite. So clearly we are not going to get any further on that.

P.S. Hyewon had started to say "Did you see my message before sending me one?" but trails off because she thought Dongjin said something and, upon realizing that he hadn't, she goes on to repeat the sentence in its entirety. The Korean subtitles also indicate as much. The English one doesn't.

P.P.S. Sangjeong is also my favorite girl. Give me a man version of him and I will be more than willing to fly halfway around the world to propose to him.

"Hwihyun's actions are reasonable" does not equate to "Hyewon's actions are unreasonable".

Aw thank you!

First of all, I just want to say, thank you for a sane comment haha. Comments like these are rare around here.

Everyone on this show are half and half on their exes and will be going back and forth until the end of the show, which is completely ok. So the difference then comes in how they express this. As such, the difference between Hwihyun and Hyewon is that HH, if he finds himself pulled towards HW only for her to not reciprocate, will never go confront her about it and get mad at her. He doesn't think of it as a "fault" because that is what everyone is here to do. He respects her decisions, as he should. If it doesn't work out then it doesn't work out. HW does not think like that and her resulting actions manifest in more negative ways, which is why it is less ok. What she wants is basically for HH to grovel for her regardless of whether she likes him or not, and it is honestly driving her mad that it isn't working out the way that she wants, it isn't a simple indecisiveness over whether she wants him or someone else. All the few conversations they have had have all been HW blaming him and getting angry at him for everything, even when just joking. She never simply tells him that hey I like you and may want to get back together but you are confusing me. She is just you did this, you did that, you you you. Basically, "everything wrong about me is because of you" without taking any responsibility for her emotions. Putting all the blame on him like that, painting herself as the victim, is why I called it gaslighting. Like the conversation in his dorm. She was on the offensive from the start, forces him to tell her who he is interested in, and then gets mad at him for being honest because it hurts her. Why does it hurt her? She never says. Her focus is just always on how HE is hurting HER. It is all in the way you frame it.

"Hwi-hyun is that he’s not the kind of guy to give a definite yes or no to pursuing someone" - that is actually different from what I was saying. I added a "until things are set in stone" after my sentence. Seokyung is a good example of this. Until HH is sure that the opposite party is okay with receiving his advances, he isn't going to be overt about it. Because if he comes on strong it may make them uncomfortable, like in KT and YJ's case. And everyone has different thresholds for what they consider "crossing the line" so he is being cautious. He is also a man after all. It doesn't come out of a place of cowardice of having his feelings known or only going for the easy target. It is not ambiguity but taking it slow. He isn't going to start professing love until he is sure of his feelings and that the person he likes is ok with being wooed by him. Same goes for his interactions with HW. He actually wasn't being that ambiguous neither did he give up cause he thought she wasn't going to be easy. The impression she gave off during their first meet was that she was completely over him and wasn't even thinking about getting back together, i.e., in his eyes, if he did try to woo her, it would just make her uncomfortable. Considering that is their first one-on-one and only conversation for ages, it is going to leave a very strong impression. As such, he isn't going to bombard her with his feelings in the house. You can see this with SJ as well in ep 13. All she did was cry and blurt out that she had really missed MH but she regretted it immensely because she didn't want to make her ex uncomfortable. It is the same sentiment and there is nothing wrong with it. HH still expressed as much as he thought he could without crossing any lines. He DID show interest. However, he is also connecting with other people in the house. Couple that with the fact that HH & HW aren't able to significantly connect with each other, it is quite ok for him to move on and is certainly not because of something as sinister as not finding her an easy target. It is more about missed timing. They haven't seen each other in a year. They have to reconnect before they can start pursuing each other.

Regarding your last point, yes. I have said this before as well but the biggest problem with HH & HW is miscommunication. Major miscommunication (and also some bad luck) due to plain personality differences. Neither of them are villains (or were, until ep 13 but more on that later). My post was mainly to defend HH to the 3rd person POV, us. Because you cannot deny the hate that HH is getting and that IS going to affect him in real life. Otherwise, as I say in my next comment, both are understandable in their actions. Emphasis on BOTH. Heck, that candy episode was some delicious entertaining angst better than any drama and neither of them was at fault for it. They just had two very different trains of thought.

That said, in ep 13 HW definitely comes across as more problematic. Even the panelists were done with her. Because again, she wasn't actually trying to have a proper conversation with HH but kept going in circles with the same blame.