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It says 14 episodes on Gagaoolala so who knows... Seems more logical to me given the pace of the drama. Otherwise, I pretty much agree with everything you said...

HOWEVER!!!

I must add that:

1// I'm fed up with the soundtracks. 2 songs for 12/14 episodes??? Seriously anybody would be fed up at this point.

2// WHY OH WHY Did they need to RUIN Ja's gorgeous looks with this lame ass wig! I'm sure the director finds it funny but it's not, it's making my eyes bleeeeeeeeeeeeeed.

I hope the next time jump won't ruin First's looks with another wig from hell.

Well they did ^^

Not confusing anything. That's what's written in the description. If you click the link it leads to the GMMTV series.
I think its pretty obvious the stories are related plot-wise even if both series are from two different channels.
It's not really important anyway...

I disagree. Don't bother. There's close to no plot whatsoever. Boring as hell. The parent story Tonhon Chonlatee is actually way better... I'm currently watching it and I'm truly having a blast. The top reviews bombed it but the show is actually pretty funny and sweet.

As for Ai Long Nhai... I don't feel any chemistry between the two leads... And Nhai pretty much hates any form of skinship... I'm not asking for Love in the Air level but it would be great to have a character who actually really seem in love instead of ALWAYS coming out with any excuse he can think of to avoid being touched by his boyfriend.

Is Nhai seriously in love with his boyfriend? Even if you're not entirely comfortable with being touched there's a limit under which it becomes not believable particularly when you already had sex before.

Anyway, I already bored myself out for 11 episodes so I'll be finishing it but if you really want to give a go and realize it's not for you... Just so you know.... It doesn't get better.

Still in the middle of episode 15 (34mn 58) and I'm VERY DISAPPOINTED in Mr. Song.

Mme Li has become a serial killer but she would never have gone that road if the father wasn't like this. He pushed Mr Zhang to commit suicide but apparently one life wasn't enough to learn his lesson.

Even if he got a shock when learning Tian was homosexual did he need to say such cruel thing to his son? Plus, he knows him, how come he immediately believed Tian had killed Dong.

Mr Song, I hope you redeem yourself by the end of the episode. Parents can be disappointed by their kids but the reverse is also true.

You don't deserve both of your sons. They're both too kind for their own good.

ALSO!

Don't worry Tian. You won't end up in prison. The Not-So-Dead Doctor will pop out in episode 16 or 17 to put the blame on the right persons. I'm expecting Mr Song to confess to the crime to he police to save his wife and his son from this tragedy.
After all, he needs to redeem himself once he realizes he's the one responsible for all this drama.

SO. Just finished episode 14 and...
I just wanted to BRAG HERE that I WAS RIGHT!
I mentioned last week in a comment that I was sure the Doctor was still alive and that he was the one who saved Jiu.

There's NO WAY the Mother nor Jia would have saved Jiu and Ma. The ONLY reason they can still be alive is because of the antidote that the Doctor developed... I need to find my comment back

HA!
So talking about the death of the Doctor quoting myself a week ago:

"My guess is he actually warned his bodyguard to stay around him while he talked to Tian's mother so that they could add the revival powder or whatnot after she thought he was dead. Also, my guess is he's probably the one who saved Jiu at the end of episode 14."

Also me answering a comment that said the Mother helped Tian:

"Is it explicitly said that she saved him? Because I mean, at least up to episode 14, Jiu is a liability to her. I mean from what I've gathered they realize Tian wants to commit suicide in episode 15 so basically she might have met Jiu alive and decided against killing him knowing that she needs him in order to keep her son alive. But again I don't understand Thai so this is just me guessing.

We don't see the Doctor... But Ma was left dead in episode 14 and the guy's still alive so I'm sort of expecting that twist.

Just my 2 cents."

Keep in mind that I personally don't like to spoil myself I watch bits and pieces here and there to bear the wait but never the whole picture so I can be mistaken about some elements.

Last but not least again me:

"She supposedly killed him in bright delight not far from the market and left a body afloat? And nobody has found any corpse yet? Seems weird to me. If he's alive and went to rest somewhere, that would explain a lot."

I WAS RIGHT :D
Yeah I know it's not good to flex but I wanted to indulge myself a little bit. I've only watched a couple of moments from episodes 15 and 16 and I haven't seen the Doctor so I'm expecting him to pop up in episode 17.

There's absolutely no way Ma nor Jiu have survived without his help. I wouldn't even be surprised to know that Tian's father helped the Doctor hide just to avoid raising the Mother and Jia's suspicions.

Anyway... as long as Tian/Jiu and Pin/Yang get their happy ending, they can all off themselves for all I care.

I wasn't expecting Ma's lost fingers. I wish they had done it Korean style and censored the flying sausages. I wasn't prepared and I'm very sensitive to graphic violence. And on top of that, Jia pierced his eyes?

These women are batshit crazy. When they killed Dong they prepared for a long time but I guess, the first murder was the most difficult now they no longer give a fudge and have gone serial killer mode.

This drama is truly addicting but it's very sad to see that basically all that drama would have been avoided if not for these stupid social prejudices.

I wish I could just stay at home and finish this series in one sitting. Good god... SO SO SO SO SO SO SO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD I love EVERYTHING about it :D

Actually I saw it but since I don't understand Thai I didn't know what you mentioned :D Yeah I spoiled myself I don't care. It's already torture waiting for the subs, I just wanted some reassurance that Jiu was alive. If this show doesn't give me a happy ending I'm going to scream bloody murder !!!

I'm still keeping a tiny hope that the Doctor is still alive... She supposedly killed him in bright delight not far from the market and left a body afloat? And nobody has found any corpse yet? Seems weird to me. If he's alive and went to rest somewhere, that would explain a lot.

Is it explicitly said that she saved him? Because I mean, at least up to episode 14, Jiu is a liability to her. I mean from what I've gathered they realize Tian wants to commit suicide in episode 15 so basically she might have met Jiu alive and decided against killing him knowing that she needs him in order to keep her son alive. But again I don't understand Thai so this is just me guessing.

We don't see the Doctor... But Ma was left dead in episode 14 and the guy's still alive so I'm sort of expecting that twist.

Just my 2 cents.

Probably not. My guess is he actually warned his bodyguard to stay around him while he talked to Tian's mother so that they could add the revival powder or whatnot after she thought he was dead. Also, my guess is he's probably the one who saved Jiu at the end of episode 14.

OH MY GOD THANK YOU!
I can now patiently wait for the subs next week. Gosh even without subs ep 13 and 14 were just horrible. Bless the guy who made a mistake :D

You know what? I changed my mind... I started episode 12 but then realized... Each minute felt like an hour and I was enjoying Fahlanruk more than I was enjoying this one... and that show is terrible. It's terrible but I don't have to drag my feet to watch it. It's a terrible mess but at least I'm having fun... Which is not the case with this one. So I'm giving up. Not a bad show... But nah, I want to enjoy myself in my free time. So long War of Y :D

To Sir with Love... That one is a bit more plot based. Very good show and very different from your usual Thai BL fare. Entirely available in English on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7RZWsVvvE1F8bsLopxugdTIqw6fwRQvt

There's an official playlist but for some weird reasons they haven't updated it past episode 4 so I made my own. Last episode of the previous week is usually available in English on Tuesday after the second episode of the week has aired. And the Monday episode usually get subtitled on Thursday.

You know... I hadn't thought about the : "these "ukes" always the bad guys. Implying that these "husbands" (aka men) don't do anything wrong and it is always the "wives" who do wrong. "

But now that you're mentioning it... I can't erase it from my brain... Could be on purpose.. could be unconscious on their part... We don't have the name of the writers which is too bad because we could have checked if it was on purpose by looking at their previous works.

Yeah that "wife" thing as well...

Seriously... I personally read my first BL manga more than 20 years ago... and the thing I really enjoyed at the time was that it showed different dynamics between characters.
Women in shoujo/josei manga were often portrayed as innocent, lacking in self confidence and in need of a man to give it to them because by some mysterious magic these men were able to see their inner strength or whatnot. There were some exceptions such as Hana Yori Dango, but they were far in between. Basically, the women were hero-worshiping their other halves who always assumed the role of protectors.

So what truly drew me in is that we didn't get that dominant/dominated vibe in the BLs I read. Obviously the industry has grown since then, and now there's this whole omega/beta/alpha business in which I found the same clichéd heterosexual dynamic I hated back then (don't start me on this).

To be fair, it's not something you see a lot in K-dramas but I found it's something really prevalent in Japanese romance. The man is always going to say some BS about protecting the woman or whatever, he would always lead, be the "top" or "seme" to use the Japanese term and the woman would always assume the "bottom" role or "uke" which is to follow. The man leads, the woman follows. HOW out-dated this is...

Anyway, I discovered Thai BL at the beginning of the year... Learning Thai was something I had on my bucket list and I needed some shows to get my ears used to the language. I didn't even know Thai BLs were a thing and I was amazed to discover how popular they are. I've got to say no matter how simple the plot, I do enjoy the fluffiness so I'm not complaining, but the "wife" term irks me to no end.

First as you said, these guys are men and while some characters may be portrayed as lady's boys unless they explicitly considers themselves as such, I find using that term pretty insulting.
The other reason is because it just feels like they're pushing that patriarchal mindset back into BLs which is truly unpleasant. "Wives" have certain roles and "Husbands" have others.

It's the 21st century guys. I understand it's Asia and in that area, well, it's still very much patriarchal but come on'! These shows are BLs which means it's OUT of society's patriarchal stupidity, out of Society's conventions and expectations. Why do Thai writers or scriptwriters bring these back in shows featuring only males is beyond me.

Still stuck at episode 11... Just started Love between Fairy and Devil and I'm hooked ( I started last June "The Untamed" but I'm struggling with that one). Love the costumes, the music and the universe... So with my currently airing BL shows + that one + a couple of K dramas here and there, and the occasional Anime and J Dramas... Hmm... It will be hard to pick up "War of Y" again especially since apparently everybody considers the 3rd story the weakest...

Well, think I'll binge episode 12 to 15 during the week to catch up and then will watch as it airs to avoid being stuck for another couple of weeks.

You can easily avoid adds on youtube by using Adblock, Adguard, ublockorigin or other webbrowser extensions. They're free. As for the rest, as you wish. You got the method now...

I explained the method below, just check former messages. I'm also using Nordvpn. I would advise you to use a double VPN connect to Taiwan via Hong Kong server #3 or #7 work well but apply the method I explained in a previous post. It's been posted less than 2 hours ago so you should be able to easily find it.

Advice: I had the same problem a couple of months ago. If you are living in Europe, most Thai series are not available on IQIYI.

1. Use a VPN, and once in the right region, you should get all popular series on the welcome page ( currently Love in the Air, Between US, My Only 12% and Big Dragon). I would advice using a private window so your web browser doesn't keep your cookies. It's available on Chrome and Firefox.

2. Create a new account using ONLY and I insist ONLY an e-mail address (other than the one you previously used for your other account). DON'T USE YOUR GOOGLE ACCOUNT and DON'T USE YOUR PHONE NUMBER. IQIYI uses it as a location reference and once you create your account with that information you're stuck with it no matter how many times you use a VPN. So MAKE SURE you are connected to a VPN when you register and pay in the local currency of the location you chose.

3. If you have problems connecting. Use the QR code with your phone. Make sure your phone VPN is connected to the same location and server, log in on your phone on the app and scan the QR code.

4. Pay for VIP with your credit card. Normally you should see the price in the currency of said location. I personally use a double VPN to get connected to Taiwan through Hong Kong and I paid in HK$. There's currently a 30% sale so I personally was able to extend my subscription to 2024.

To be sure there's no problem, make sure you always use a private browser when connecting to IQIYI.

That works well for IQIYI... But doesn't seem to work as well for we-tv. It's really annoying because just like on Viki, you can hardly use a vpn on the website, it works well on phones...
but not so well on computers.

If you're into Asian shows and you're in Europe. I would advise you to get Gagaoolala and Viki. Gagaoolala doesn't offer more shows if you're from another region so it's well worth getting the subscription.
I would also suggest getting IQIYI using the trick I just explain to you. The website works well.

However I wouldn't insist on We-tv. I used the monthly subscription for Love Mechanics and it was ok 'cuz it was available for everyone... But then couldn't watch Lovely writer so I used my IQIYI trick and the vpn just doesn't work most of the time. The videos have been taken away by an alien they say. which is truly infuriating because I just paid a yearly subscription with a new account. I'm literally fuming.

Anyway, the greatest BL shows are mostly on Gagaoolala and IQIYI... Viki is a bit late but Viki is more for K-dramas anyways.

Hope it helped. Subscribing on youtube is too expensive. Did that once, not gonna do it again.

Hmm... I personally think the show is good... But I'm not enjoying myself. I'm probably among the oldest audience on Mydramalist being older than 35... Meaning by that that I'm too old to get into that shipping business or whatever. For me actors are just doing a job and once the cameras are turned off, I honestly don't care about what they do with their lives. All that shipping and girls screaming and YouTube videos analyzing each and every gestures they do between themselves whenever the cameras are supposedly off make me really uncomfortable and I find all that business really disturbing.

Doesn't mean that I don't enjoy actors with good chemistry to act again together but I also think that actors are actors and BL actors should be allowed to:
1. Act with other actors/actresses, shipping be damned.
2. Act in series which are not BL focused.
From what you see in that industry, few actors have been able to take that jump so far. Most are stuck with the same partners playing romances after romances... And once they get older, will they still get roles or will they fade into oblivion? Because romance focused stories... is mostly for young actors. After the age of 40, whether you're a man or a woman you'll get less and less roles in the genre. These poor guys have to think about their careers.
3. If it's still BL, can we please start to give real stories with more layered plots with gay/lesbian characters? I'm thinking "Not Me" or currently airing "To Sir, with Love"

Anyway back to the main topic, while I understand you need shows that show the dark side of the industry... Well, I already know the world is a filthy place and my dramas are my safe space. I need my escapism and I'm not getting it here. While I empathize with them to a certain degree... I cannot like any of these characters.

The only exception so far was Nott in "New Ship" but again he was the least layered and least complex. The focus on the story wasn't him... otherwise they would have made sure he had some skelettons in his closet.

Had I know, I wouldn't have started it. It's not pleasant to see characters originally sweet and innocent basically stabbing people in the back and becoming douchebags because the world they evolve in is a pretty dirty place. I laughed a lot watching War of Managers because I just couldn't believe how seriously f***ed up they all were. None of these characters were likeable and the only likeable one ended up becoming as f***ed up as the others.... but getting punished for taking revenge on those who basically ruined him and being blamed by the original sinners who ganged up on him not even taking any responsibility for the situation. Talk about being unfair. Scr*** that sh**

Anyway, I'm currently stuck at episode 11. I'm probably going to finish this show and force myself watching it because I've invested too much time and I hate to drop shows once I've passed the middle mark but gosh... I'm so NOT enjoying myself.

So is it worth watching? Yes
Is it enjoyable? Depends on you.

My answer is a big NO. I get so little free time already and life is already hard enough, I don't need Tv to bring me back to reality when I'm trying to relax.
Also, got to watch it when you are in the mood... otherwise It's not gonna be a pleasant trip.

Well, that was my 2 cents.

We'll see... Right now I'm reaching the end of volume 2 and I start to get really invested... But I still don't know about the series... Well, maybe I'll give it a chance up to episode 30... But so far... I've got to say, I prefer the books.