Kathryn_51

it's not the orphans who were in red shirts - the red shirts are prominent in Hyun Woo's school photo in his room. . HW was there. or, I should say, I'm 99% certain he was there. 😊

I'll save you time. her brother was wearing 'white". the person who rescued her had a dark shirt on.

You and I are thinking alike! I'm not sure he would use Grandfather as leverage against Hae-in - but now that grandfather is gone (and how the hell did THAT happen if yoon didn't have the POA???) he definitely can control his mother.

Eun Seong's original plan was for Grandfather to go to prison for embezzlement and then they were going to strike at the business/shareholders. Once he realized that Hyun woo was getting too close to the truth (regarding the convertible bonds), they had to skip that part and take Grandfather down physically (poison).

I posted a list of all the people (plus 1 unfortunate dog) that have died w/in her orbit - it's a pretty long list! So, it's just a theory that she may have caused the death of their baby.

A case could be made (circumstantial, of course) that she has been carefully removing any and all 'heirs" to the Queen's family with some idea that Eun Seong belongs there. I should probably post it in the discussion forum.

Yes, I want confirmation that Poisoner in Chief Madwoman Moh poisoned her and caused the miscarriage.

I think Eun Seong figured out that his mother was continuing to poison him in the hospital - she moved too fast (kicking the family out) for HIS plans to get closer to Hae-in.

Pretty sure Da Hye will return. in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she becomes part of hyun-woos plans to destroy Eun Seong. If she took stolen goods to the US, the little lady is in big. . . . trouble.

I've viewed this drama as the roller-coaster they promised. First 8 episodes were a few twists and turns and the very slow, very long climb up the first steep slope and then it all came down fast in a series of whiplashing twists. So, now we are once again at the bottom. . . .taking a breath, gathering our energy and preparing for the next steep climb.

Anyway, that's how I see it and i didn't expect any progression in their relationship yet, although I wish writers would give one endearing hae-in scene each episode similar to the early morning bedroom scene in Ep. 9. with Hyun Woo.

At a minimum, the viewer should be able to see SOME sort of connection between Hae-in's epiphany in the Episode 8 epilogue and how she is behaving now.😒

i think the point of their dialogue is that hae-in is in a life-and-death struggle and exerting time and energy into sorting out their relationship is not their #1 priority - it's definitely not HIS priority.

However, Hae-in is going to be dead in less than a month if they don't get moving. . . .OR, unbeknownst to them, she's already recovering. 😊

You were right about the "less miserable" dialogue. although it wasn't the precise words that were in the teaser. 😊

Not clear what happened, but the Hong family doesn't rely on nature for pregnancy - they do it via medical procedure (or at least, that was the plan for Hyun Woo and Hae-in). So, if Da Hye was sleeping with Soo Cheol, i'm not sure why she is so certain that the child is not his - unless, there was a plan in advance to switch sperm donor samples.

I would not be surprised if Mistress Bitch has been determined to see to it that there are no Hong heirs that can challenge Eun Seong.

What she says and what she does (actions/non-action) are diametrically opposed. She's been that way from the beginning - defending him to her family but rarely when he was there.

It's a "cliche" about destiny ("was he born to love me?"). Hyun Woo was born to love her and protect her - call it fate, God, aliens, whatever but that is their story, as has been shown over and over again.

Well, she did get married and have a couple of babies (twins!). Perhaps she is trying to ease back into a reasonable schedule for her current life. 😊

So, while we are waiting. . we finally get the battle I’ve been waiting for (from tvN). . . . . “Even though we broke up, I am more serious about protecting my wife than anyone else”
https://twitter.com/CJnDrama/status/1776401936197304339

Article/still cuts for Episode 9, including:
“Baek Hyun Woo is left alone in the Queens Group, where all the members of the family have left, and foreshadows a fight with Yoon Eun-sung. . .he aims to turn the tide with a drastically different attitude than before, such as shaking nervously in front of Yoon Eun-sung.
https://www.newsculture.press/news/articleView.html?idxno=546155

Finally, the Ep. 9 pre-release was dropped a couple of hours ago – there are no words, thus no subs or dubs required. It’s all in Hyun Woo’s actions. So darn . . .captivating.
https://twitter.com/CJnDrama/status/1776384328383250499

Enjoy while you wait!

Thanks. 😊

Alright, Alex Stefan, you piqued my curiosity. I located the trailer to refresh my memory - the unofficial quote I provided (which was kinda close, lol) was said over several different scenes in various outfits, so I don't know if we can predict. But. . .

The full quotation is: Hae-in: 'Being together won't make us happier". Hyun-woo: "But we won't be as miserable."
And then (and this might occur at the same time or not) Hyun-woo "We can work together to be in less despair."

So, I choose to believe it bolsters my original point about the writer's intentions: communicating is a start, but a successful marriage takes WORK and EFFORT. And from my experience - lots and lots of compromise. 😊

As a side note, I enjoy your posts and comments because you enjoy analyzing the drama, not just the characters. Tomorrow should be fun.

Really? I don't recall those outfits in the preview. They have a 'month' to change their minds on the divorce and staying 'together' puts her in danger, do I've figured their reconciliation will take a couple of episodes at least. Regardless, I enjoy watching whatever happens.

I do hope they are going to be teaming up to spy on Eun Seong and his mother. 😊

“If they would just communicate!” That’s been the mantra by most viewers and I remained out of the discussion for the most part because that wasn’t the drama that I was watching.

Actually, i think the whole point of Queen of Tears is that they weren't communicating even when they fell in love and got married. They had different expectations about the marriage. It has been front and center ever since the Epilogue in Episode 1 where they both talked to the video camera about what they envisioned in ten years. From. The. Beginning.

I honestly feel this is what the writer is trying to convey – when a marriage is in crisis, it’s not enough to “communicate” properly. It may lead to greater understanding, but it can also lead to a realization that the marriage may be doomed if they have different expectations, hopes, dreams, goals. That’s where BaekHong is right now.

Writer-nim up-ended the classic kdrama ending - where the couple finally overcomes all obstacles (the awful grandparent, the evil corporation, the evil whatever. . .), have a gorgeous wedding and live happily ever after. For the first 8 episodes, we saw Hyun Woo forced to live in her world. Now Hae-in will live in his world. Thus will begin the real understanding and communication between the two. Plus some great counter-attack/defend/final battle between the good guys and villains.

There's a line in the 3.5 minute teaser that is something like: 'Staying together might not make us happier, but we won't be as miserable." That's kind of THE lesson for ALL marriages that manage to stay together through the ups and downs.

The viewer isn't sure when they actually began to "date". in the first 8 episodes, most of the flashbacks/epilogues were about their courtship up to the point of his proposal. However, this much is certain:

2018 (Christmas) They first meet.
2019 - Spring: Hyun Woo takes Hae-in to Youngdu-ri for the first time where he learns that she has never eaten an ice pop.
Eventually, she visits Youndu-ri on her own and rather than driving home, she stays overnight.
They go on additional dates - the subway, to a restaurant, movie theater and then the aquarium at which time he proposes -
At some point, he discovers who she is, resigns from the company and ghosts her.
2020 - Spring: Hae-in helicopters into Youngdu-ri and proposes to him. They are married within a few weeks.

The next few episodes will probably have flashbacks by Hae-in as she informs her family of her plans to marry, how and why he discovered her real identity, her decision to track him down and then planning for the wedding.

But i could be wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's the whole point of the Ep. 8 Epilogue - Hae-in had an epiphany and she realized that she wanted to be by Hyun Woo's side ( instead of always expecting Hyun Woo to keep his promise to be by her side).

That was her pivot point.