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Totally! Their relationship isn't black and white, is full of grey.

In ep 9, Joe let it all out, he told Ming all the things he wanted to say. He never said anything about the way Ming treated him, what really hurt him was Ming not loving him back. I'm not saying he is into being abused, but he is into bastard cold Ming. And why do I say that? Because Ming never pretended to be someone else and Joe still fell for him.

I'm not supporting Ming, I never say that, he is a psycho. Some people ask for mature BL and then can't handle complex characters. 🤷🏾‍♀️

The big problem is that Joe is into that, some people like toxic relationships. He is making an adult decision, he knows who Ming is, he is not being gaslighted.

What I don't understand is why people want Ming to be a whole different person. I personally like the maturity of Ming and Joe relationship. Ming is toxic AF, but he never gaslighted Joe. Joe knew who he was from the start and he made the mature decision of loving him anyway. In fact, Joe let all his anger out in this episode, and he never acused Ming of the things people hate him more for.

Sol's puppy love was not what Joe wanted. And Joe's love was not what Ming wanted, but was what he needed. They complete each other perfectly.

Exactly! The whole episode was Joe telling Ming "You never loved me". That was his only problem.

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Exactly! I'm so glad that I'm not the only one thinking like that. People are analyzing Joe from their point of view and not from the nature of the character.

That's what I've been saying the whole time! Joe knew from the start that Ming was a red flag. His only problem is that he thinks that Ming doesn't love him. That's what broke his heart.

At some point I secreamed "Ming, I hate you!" 🤣

Totally. It's like "Why are you even here?" 🙄

I hate him in this episode.

Exactly!!! That's the real problem for Joe.

And people keep saying he killed Joe. 😐 Tong was the one who blacklisted him. And, Joe, sweethart, you knew the whole movie thing was shady.

I just noticed that Joe have never acused Ming of pretending to be someone he is not or even for the way he treated him. Why? Because Joe felt in love with Ming, red flags and all. He acused him of not loving him back and wanting Tong, because that's what really broke him.

You're missing the whole point of the car scene. Joe knows who Ming is, he even told him. You can tell anything about Ming, but he never pretended to be nice in front of Joe. Joe isn't blind, he just loves him, flaws and all.

I hate people who pretend to be good. At least Ming never play nice.

Ming is a total red flag, but he never gave up on Joe. Never. When Sol and Wut thought he was dead, he was the one searching for him. He didn't need anything to feel Joe within his new body, just one encounter was enought. Of course he isn't gonna let Joe go, he knows Joe loves him and Ming is nothing but a fighter.

Wow!!! I didn't notice that.