Acting and character chemistry is not the same as romantic chemistry.That some of you are incapable of understanding…
I don't want BL either though.
I want two things. I want the main plot to be written and acted well and I am getting that.
Romance exists, whether we like it or don't, so since it exists I want that to be written well too. And I am still waiting for that part. It's frustrating.
If you asked me what I want I would put no romance in a drama like this. But it's here and it is here to stay. So at least write the FL properly ðŸ˜
Acting and character chemistry is not the same as romantic chemistry.That some of you are incapable of understanding…
They don't like that that's the whole point. They want romance to be the whole focus.
Someone here a few days ago said that the romance fans will turn everything about this show about it and will destroy any other other conversation. I thought she was exaggerating, I wish I could apologize to her now.
And I don't mind the romance though I am not a fan of those types of things. But it was set up well in that boat scene, the character has a good basis and now we are just waiting until the writer actually starts developing her story. I can't believe today is 23 and we still haven't properly started her arc. Not in any meaningful way. It's frustrating.
Acting and character chemistry is not the same as romantic chemistry.That some of you are incapable of understanding…
Ah so you wrote that one!
Actually I wrote somewhere in this mess that I don't think you meant that literally. But unfortunately reading some of these comments, nuance is way, way beyond so many of them so no wonder they understood as they did.
The problem is precisely that people do find the the ML-villain dynamic more compelling. That's setting off the bitterness. What's highly ironic is that when we complained about the FL writing, they went crazy how we are hating on the character instead of understanding we the writing is poor and doing the character a disservice.
Now that the consequences of the disparity in the writing is blatantly obvious, they are upset. Ah the sweet, sweet irony!
Not to mention that it is good it is more compelling because this is a revenge drama where the character that matters most after the ML is indeed the villain. No matter how much they want to make it a romance drama, it isn't.
Acting and character chemistry is not the same as romantic chemistry.That some of you are incapable of understanding…
I am not your sweetheart. Are you disturbed in some way that you address total strangers like that?
You should spend less time here and more on self-improvement. It would help you read the post I replied to and see that they are talking about chemistry and no yaoi is mentioned.
Where, here? I don't see anyone shipping him with ZH on this page?
Ah you know what, I give up.
If you read that and you actually think I am defending child murderers then I am sorry to say but you lack both reading comprehension and ability for critical thinking and analysis. It's pointless to even try talking to you.
The chemistry of the Marquis and ZH is the main draw of the drama. It's a web of lies and manipulation and it…
They are getting mad because there is so much positive talk about the character setting of the marquis and the ML- villain dynamic and that there actually is an absolutely fascinating psychological moment at play, both within and outside of the narrative.
All that compounded by the good old inability to differentiate between loving the character and loving the person that that character is. They equate these two things and then all talk is over (I am a defender of murders 😂).
Somebody literally wrote 'yeah, and hmm should I say this (*whispers*) old man yaoi for the win!' if this isn't…
And this is where you, just like many, many people before you aren't capable of making the distinction of liking a character and liking a person that that character is.
You are talking about the person that he is. He is a psychopath who kills without blinking. On the surface he is charming, charismatic, loyal when in fact beneath that lurks a monster who will kill absolutely anyone the moment that is beneficial to him and his quest for power.
You stick to that layer of the drama and that's ok! I have absolutely nothing to say about that, many people watch like that. Of course I don't blame you for hating the person, I can't stand the person either!
Then there are people like me. What fascinates me is the character setting, the writing, the way the writer combined with the actor is creating the person that is the Marquis.
I find it fascinating that there are people who in the moment forget what the marquis did because he is so compellingly charismatic on screen and because of the way he relates to the ML. It's especially fascinating because that is exactly what he is within the narrative. And outside of the narrative, here within the audience, the creation of the character is having the same effect. That is a masterpiece of writing and acting! That is what elevates this drama to a completely different level.
That I find this fascinating? Doesn't mean I don't think he is a psychopath. As I wrote before several times, this means that once Zanghai strips him of everything he has and finally destroys him on all levels, it is going to be the most satisfying thing ever. But I only get this satisfaction because of the way the marquis is written. If he were just a simple villain, it wouldn't be remotely this good.
And actually, you know what? You do think the writing and acting is good. Or you wouldn't hate him so much.
So please, understand that loving the character doesn't mean loving the person that that character is. In fact, I absolutely despise the person. Separate that please.
Someone down there was so angry that they ranted I am defending a murderer. But I do think it's pretty clear that both I and the others are talking about something else.
If it is not, then I am afraid I tried my best to explain and that's that then.
Where, here? I don't see anyone shipping him with ZH on this page?
No, I didn't, someone up thread mentioned one of those and to me it didn't seem like actual shipping.
The point is that this board was full of talk yesterday by the vast majority of people about the writing for ML-villain and acting chemistry of the actors, in absolutely non shipping way. So why get hung upon a couple of comments?
I will tell you why. Because of the other comments. Let's be honest here. I will tell you what I told the others. Next time we start demanding well written, complex female characters join us. XAT has so much potential in her character set up. It's perfect. And we are on episode 23 today and the writer has used absolutely nothing of it. There would be intense discussions here about her arc and about the plot chemistry between the two here as well if the writer actually did his damn job. Why is it so hard to write fully realised female characters when he can do that with the men? That was rhetorical btw, I know why it is hard, we all do. Good old misogyny, can't escape it.
Anyway this is why the two comments are so painful to people. Let's not fool ourselves. Otherwise none of you would care that someone is potentially shipping the marquis and the ML. As I said above, it's the internet. People ship anything dead or alive. Or inanimate. I don't get why but as I said, it's the internet.
Somebody literally wrote 'yeah, and hmm should I say this (*whispers*) old man yaoi for the win!' if this isn't…
Why shouldn't we criticise characters if we don't think they are well written? Is the FL a holy cow so that is not allowed?
I will disagree she is a complex character. She has the potential but she isn't one.
Do you know what I would see as a complex character? The boat scene that happened between them was great. There is romantic chemistry, there is a very tentative sharing of some personal matters by both sides. There is a bit of teasing and laughter. That was perfect, I actually even wrote that somewhere deep in the bowls of this page.
At that point, XAT plot needed to explode. She has a perfect character set up for that. She is fascinated by Zanghai, intrigued. That draw on a personal level is present with him too. We see how it played out, with the master having to yank him back into reality of his revenge.
She? We know what happened. But what could have been is an arc paralleling his. Because she has her own major problem and Zanghai is conflicting with that. If he gets the seal then her country loses the chance of getting free.
That conflict between love and duty, love and being filial, being pushed between her individual desires, needs and wants and on the other hand, the duty to her people, that her individualism needs to be second to the sacrifice of being a leader. Now that is highly complex.
And yeah we are on episode 23 and where is any of that? Nowhere. Which means at best, the pacing of her character arc is going to be messed up and squished into a short amount of time when there was no need. At worst, they will still delay or not even do any of this.
Sorry, I don't see any complexity in her character. I see the potential for it but it should have started long ago. Maybe it will start today. About time if it does.
And yes, there are people who ship m/m exclusively but there are people who ship others with a chair. It's the internet. Here, on this board, the absolute vast majority of people are simply fascinated with the writing, acting and acting chemistry and when talking about the FL issues people talked about the writing and their problems with it.
Of course he is evil. He is also a compelling villain of the best kind. Huang Jue is giving a masterclass of acting…
What you don't have is an actual argument nor the ability to construct one. Don't worry, I understand anything above kindergarten level is too tough for some.
Zhifu's mother should have swallowed.
I want two things. I want the main plot to be written and acted well and I am getting that.
Romance exists, whether we like it or don't, so since it exists I want that to be written well too. And I am still waiting for that part. It's frustrating.
If you asked me what I want I would put no romance in a drama like this. But it's here and it is here to stay. So at least write the FL properly ðŸ˜
Someone here a few days ago said that the romance fans will turn everything about this show about it and will destroy any other other conversation. I thought she was exaggerating, I wish I could apologize to her now.
And I don't mind the romance though I am not a fan of those types of things. But it was set up well in that boat scene, the character has a good basis and now we are just waiting until the writer actually starts developing her story. I can't believe today is 23 and we still haven't properly started her arc. Not in any meaningful way. It's frustrating.
It's so funny that you are ok with that accusation but you are oh so offended about my reply being about her lack of education.
Say a whole lot about you!
Actually I wrote somewhere in this mess that I don't think you meant that literally. But unfortunately reading some of these comments, nuance is way, way beyond so many of them so no wonder they understood as they did.
The problem is precisely that people do find the the ML-villain dynamic more compelling. That's setting off the bitterness. What's highly ironic is that when we complained about the FL writing, they went crazy how we are hating on the character instead of understanding we the writing is poor and doing the character a disservice.
Now that the consequences of the disparity in the writing is blatantly obvious, they are upset. Ah the sweet, sweet irony!
Not to mention that it is good it is more compelling because this is a revenge drama where the character that matters most after the ML is indeed the villain. No matter how much they want to make it a romance drama, it isn't.
Go read a few books. Then go attend a few classes on literary analysis. It will expand your world.
You should spend less time here and more on self-improvement. It would help you read the post I replied to and see that they are talking about chemistry and no yaoi is mentioned.
That some of you are incapable of understanding that is genuinely worrying.
I don't even know what to say. Best to say nothing.
You know what, forget it. It's not worth my time. 🤦🤦🤦
What is that but a huge personal attack?
If she has a diploma of a primary school it should be taken away. Her ability for basic comprehension is abysmal.
If you read that and you actually think I am defending child murderers then I am sorry to say but you lack both reading comprehension and ability for critical thinking and analysis. It's pointless to even try talking to you.
All that compounded by the good old inability to differentiate between loving the character and loving the person that that character is. They equate these two things and then all talk is over (I am a defender of murders 😂).
You are talking about the person that he is. He is a psychopath who kills without blinking. On the surface he is charming, charismatic, loyal when in fact beneath that lurks a monster who will kill absolutely anyone the moment that is beneficial to him and his quest for power.
You stick to that layer of the drama and that's ok! I have absolutely nothing to say about that, many people watch like that. Of course I don't blame you for hating the person, I can't stand the person either!
Then there are people like me. What fascinates me is the character setting, the writing, the way the writer combined with the actor is creating the person that is the Marquis.
I find it fascinating that there are people who in the moment forget what the marquis did because he is so compellingly charismatic on screen and because of the way he relates to the ML. It's especially fascinating because that is exactly what he is within the narrative. And outside of the narrative, here within the audience, the creation of the character is having the same effect. That is a masterpiece of writing and acting! That is what elevates this drama to a completely different level.
That I find this fascinating? Doesn't mean I don't think he is a psychopath. As I wrote before several times, this means that once Zanghai strips him of everything he has and finally destroys him on all levels, it is going to be the most satisfying thing ever. But I only get this satisfaction because of the way the marquis is written. If he were just a simple villain, it wouldn't be remotely this good.
And actually, you know what? You do think the writing and acting is good. Or you wouldn't hate him so much.
So please, understand that loving the character doesn't mean loving the person that that character is. In fact, I absolutely despise the person. Separate that please.
Someone down there was so angry that they ranted I am defending a murderer. But I do think it's pretty clear that both I and the others are talking about something else.
If it is not, then I am afraid I tried my best to explain and that's that then.
The point is that this board was full of talk yesterday by the vast majority of people about the writing for ML-villain and acting chemistry of the actors, in absolutely non shipping way. So why get hung upon a couple of comments?
I will tell you why. Because of the other comments. Let's be honest here. I will tell you what I told the others. Next time we start demanding well written, complex female characters join us. XAT has so much potential in her character set up. It's perfect. And we are on episode 23 today and the writer has used absolutely nothing of it. There would be intense discussions here about her arc and about the plot chemistry between the two here as well if the writer actually did his damn job. Why is it so hard to write fully realised female characters when he can do that with the men? That was rhetorical btw, I know why it is hard, we all do. Good old misogyny, can't escape it.
Anyway this is why the two comments are so painful to people. Let's not fool ourselves. Otherwise none of you would care that someone is potentially shipping the marquis and the ML. As I said above, it's the internet. People ship anything dead or alive. Or inanimate. I don't get why but as I said, it's the internet.
I will disagree she is a complex character. She has the potential but she isn't one.
Do you know what I would see as a complex character? The boat scene that happened between them was great. There is romantic chemistry, there is a very tentative sharing of some personal matters by both sides. There is a bit of teasing and laughter. That was perfect, I actually even wrote that somewhere deep in the bowls of this page.
At that point, XAT plot needed to explode. She has a perfect character set up for that. She is fascinated by Zanghai, intrigued. That draw on a personal level is present with him too. We see how it played out, with the master having to yank him back into reality of his revenge.
She? We know what happened. But what could have been is an arc paralleling his. Because she has her own major problem and Zanghai is conflicting with that. If he gets the seal then her country loses the chance of getting free.
That conflict between love and duty, love and being filial, being pushed between her individual desires, needs and wants and on the other hand, the duty to her people, that her individualism needs to be second to the sacrifice of being a leader. Now that is highly complex.
And yeah we are on episode 23 and where is any of that? Nowhere. Which means at best, the pacing of her character arc is going to be messed up and squished into a short amount of time when there was no need. At worst, they will still delay or not even do any of this.
Sorry, I don't see any complexity in her character. I see the potential for it but it should have started long ago. Maybe it will start today. About time if it does.
And yes, there are people who ship m/m exclusively but there are people who ship others with a chair. It's the internet. Here, on this board, the absolute vast majority of people are simply fascinated with the writing, acting and acting chemistry and when talking about the FL issues people talked about the writing and their problems with it.