SojuMoose

What is interesting is what the grandmother has dreamed so far is that
1. She knows that Gwi Joo returns to the past to save Do Da Hee
2. There is a funeral held for Gwi Joo without a body, presumably because he died in back in time

If the future is technically unchangable from what the grandmother sees, then I feel like the only way out of this is to scam the grandma/family that Gwi Joo has died when in reality he hasn't, much like Do Da Hee did this episode. Presumably with the knowledge of her dream they could in fact make it so her dream sequence becomes true without Gwi Joo actually dying.

Potentially there might also be a loophole to alter fate which hasn't been uncovered. Another thing I considered is what if the fire saving/Gwi Joo's funeral were technically unrelated, but the Grandmother assumed that if he went missing that he died in the fire, when in reality it might have something to do with him going up against Do Da Hee's mother.

I doubt either character dies in ep 10, its probably just to throw the audience off. With two whole eps to go, even if there was a death pacing wise it seems too early. Also, despite the preview I think the drama has put too much effort in their character transformations/relationship/Gwi Joo's relationship with In Na for it to end in tragedy. I do think Gwi Joo dying to save her has some poetic notions especially as he'd finally fulfill his goal of saving someone from the fire, I doubt it happens and I imagine we get a happy ending. Who knows though.

It seems a bit polarizing. A lot of people have issues with some of the more morally grey characters (mostly fl, but also other characters as well). Additionally, early on it received a lot of negative ratings from reaction to the way obesity was characterized in the first few eps/the use of a "fat suit", which seems to be better as the show goes on. People in those camps likely rated it pretty poor, so I'd imagine if you exclude the super low ratings as outliers it would be well above 8.4 probably in the high 8's.

It must just be a preference thing, I personally really like actress and her kind of standoffish/quirky nature, but then again I loved Be Melodramatic, so I'd already been exposed to her acting style. I personally think she is killing the role and its actually hard at this point to imagine any other actress playing her.

Assuming she did kill herself, which hasn't been verified yet, he did not kill her... This is very hyperbolistic. He was wrapped up in his own trauma and neglected his family, true. But she could have easily decided to pack up and leave with her daughter (which she might have). If it is true she had depression she could have left the ML and seeked mental help. ML being emotionally uninterested because he was dealing with something else is not legitimate reason to kill yourself and your daughter.

I think in the case of the flowers/reaching out to her in the mall/mirror scene all actually happened to her and weren't her manipulation, otherwise how could you explain the flower vendor unless she is truly the mastermind behind it all and was aware of his power from the start, but now that she is aware of his powers it seems she will be manipulating him by claiming he has done stuff and we as the viewer will have no idea whether she is telling the truth or not.

Honestly speaking I feel like they could've had the character only be like 20-30 lbs over her "model weight" but have lost her power/lover due to confidence issues after gaining a bit of weight and no longer being able to be the cardboard cutout she used to be rather than going the full fat suit/obesity cause with the eating humor but idk.

yea I must have missed this, been a week since I saw the first eps and wasn't too focused on the details. He seems quite a bit older tho which checks out as the actor is 3 years older.

I have a weird feeling that the boy I-Na likes might be the son of the firefighter who lost his life. We see a few second clip centered on the todler at the funeral with the mom calling out that he'd said he'd be there for his son. He seems to be about a few years older than I-Na so age wise it seems like it might check out. I wonder if this is the case, maybe Gwi Joo will at some point get some closure with him.

Looking at their supposed ages its probably not her as both the kids seem similarish ages and I think he is supposed to be about 5 years older, despite the fact shes older irl, but it would be interesting if there was some connection.

Theres definitely sublte chemistry developing but yea the kiss felt forced and could have had better execution. I feel like his developing feelings can be seen when she is reaching out caring for I-Na and he is onlooking without even realizing that he is smiling. There have also been subtle queues about her appreciating his genuineness as it seems that between her "family" and the dirtbags they've conned she hasn't really been around any genuine people. I think there will hopefully be more development in the future eps without it being forced.

In a land where stupid misunderstandings result in random 1 episode breakups for no reason in many dramas its kinda refreshing that this drama is building toward an actual betrayal of trust and realization of guilt. I can't wait for the turning point for the FL when she realizes that she cares for and has found family with Gwi Joo and I-Na and has to deal with what she has done.

I think even before he met Do Da Hee in present Gwi Joo might have always gone back to her. In the moment I-Na was born, it might have been her in the school fire (assuming she isn't lying to be involved in that particular incident) and in his initial memory of winning the giant carp candy it might have been Do Da Hee who was the girl who's pet was killed. I do believe that it likely is Gwi Joo who does save her from the fire, and I bet it happens after he knows about her true motives. And oh boy is she gonna feel guilty.

The FL is guilty of fraud, but not rape or any sexual abuse? In no way shape or form did the FL ever sexually abuse/force her partners into sex or sexual acts. They may have been lied to or set up with the option to cheat, but everything they did was consented by them? Like you mentioned there are degrees to crimes, fraud is not on the same level as sexual predation...

I agree with the general statement women often get a pass for physical abuse on men in kdramas and there are certainly many instances of double standard, but I mean they are con artists, and throughout media in general its pretty regular for con artists, male or female, to be attractive, approach a mark and use seduction to gain their trust, before taking advantage of them without regard for how the consequences will affect them. Is the FL living a good, just life? Definitely not. Has she ruined men for the sake of money? Yes. However, the men she/her family have conned are consenting adults so claiming that she is targeting/stalking the equivalent of vulnerable girls is definitely a stretch. I don't think anyone here is arguing that the FL is a great person.

There are also a lot of times that males get a pass for creepy behavior if they too are attractive. There is a very recent drama where a super popular idol actor was getting a pass for despicable behavior simply becuase the actor was a popular idol. If his actions were done by an unattractive middle age man and not an idol, people would consider his character's actions absolutely disgusting. Also throughout kdramas males often get a pass for physical/emotional violence too in the form of wrist grabbing/dragging, and very often refusing to break up with a woman and stalking because they don't agree to it.

Extremely promising start to the drama. The entire premise is quite interesting and despite the fact that it seems somewhat predictable there is quite a bit to unpack. It will be interesting how the fl reacts to actually learning that they have superpowers/the mother can see into the future. Also we have the mystery of how Gwi's Joos wife died. Also from the car scene the daughter clearly has some superpower whether latent or not so we'll see if she is hiding it, or if perhaps it is buried in her trauma of what happened. On top of that there is a lot to unpack in the fl's past as well including her trauma of fire, and her current circumstances with her "family".

The intriguing thing is that both of the two men Da Hee has worked to con were assholes, one being a cheater and the other being a beligerant drunk, even if setup. But definitely feels like she will get cold feet after realizing how truly 'broken" the family as well as how particularly broken Gwi Joo seems to be. Also love the relationship between her and the daughter. I think pretty quickly she'll grow attached to Yi Na.

Unfortunately the second half of this drama isn't living up to the first half. In the past several episodes there has been virtually no plot progress, just everyone kind of durdling around. Also its honestly kind of ridiculous that her parents didn't go with her to Germany and convenient to he plot. If they have enough free time to visit their in laws they could have easily been there to support her, especially if she will come back with no memory. Letting your daughter get a rare procedure and wake up in an unknown country just seems ridiculous even with Hyun Woo there.

Additionally, we'll see if they did anything, but the moment she commits to the surgery it makes full sense that she'd record a video for herself w/Hyun Woo to give herself a rundown of what her life is, her current thoughts etc in lieu of the possible memory loss. She'll probably get Hyun Woo's vlog at some point, but why the hell wouldn't she make one or herself if she is so worried about losing her memories and sense of self.

So SY dedicated his life to making SH's life hell and fall apart mercilessly when in reality his father was the one who murdered SH's kid to cover up the accident in the name of SY. He's gonna have a lot to think about now...Even if SH killed his father, given he circumstances the guilt he'll face must be enormous.

This drama would be 1000x better if Seonyeol was the fire survivor and the two leads actually had a growing relationship where they overcame their grief. This revenge melodrama with no redeemable characters has nothing going for it and is extremely dissapointing after the first several episodes were quite good. I will give it credit that it is generating a lot of discussion about the leads motivations and justifications, but if the ML didn't look like Cha Eun Woo the discussion would be a lot different about how absolutely disgusting his character is.

Yeah this is my biggest gripe so far. The drama is trying to pivot to make him seem like a family man and devoted father, but his behavior in that private moment with SH is astounding and doesn't align at all with the idea that he might have been a good father/good person. She literally asked for an apology and he mocked her and shoved her to the ground for literally no reason. Like how does he not show empathy in that situation, I don't get it. Seems lazy like they needed him to be harsh enough to her for her to commit her murder, but it doesn't seem consistent with the way the plot is moving forward. Maybe he is just a terribly person who was incredibly dedicated to his son so his son saw him with rose tinted goggles? Thats kinda the only thing that makes sense.

I also kinda think that the father got a call regarding something medical for SY right before the accident. We see him leave Kim Joon at the bar, which he probably wouldn't do unless it was serious. Maybe like a heart transplant opportunity or something major happened, which then he agreed to take the blame to ensure happened. Eventually the ML's focus will swap to revenge on the congressman, but the FL is gonna feel awful when she realizes she killed a (mostly innocent) father and basically set everything in motion regarding the ML's mom's accident as well. I'm guessing she finds this out right before the opening scene where the ML is driving towards her, because when she looks at him, she looks alarmed, but doesn't make any move to get out of the way and kind of accepts it.