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If you're interested I posted a full explanation (contains some spoilers) above. But yes, in the end Tin does end up "defeating" his brother, though it's kind of...ambiguous. I think the problem is that Tul's issues are definitely related to his mental health, and I think Tin grows to understand this. Which, even though he triumphs in the end, I think makes him sad for the lost potential of a relationship with his brother. I didn't finish reading the entirely of Breath (Tul's novel) so I'm not sure about the specifics but from what I know and have heard Tin ends up what would probably be considered the "victor".

Tul's hatred for Tin isn't because of Hin, Tul has always hated Tin. Tul vowed he would destroy Tin and take everything that was his because Tin is the actual legitimate child of their father. Tul's mother is English and when her and their dad got together, their dad's parents (especially the grandmother) forced it to end. When that happened Tul's mother abandoned Tul and Tul's father married Tin's mom and they had Tin who was considered the male heir of the family. Tul was left with his grandmother who abused him, so he hates women. Hin has been around him from childhood and they have a very...er...disturbing imo servant/master relationship where Tul likes to hurt and force himself on Hin and Hin allows it because he thinks Tul needs the outlet of hurting someone to make him happy. Which is true, Tul is pretty sadistic and does get off on hurting other people, especially Tin. Hin obsessively loves Tul to the point that he will let Tul do anything to him. That's why there's the scene in the series where Tul says "you can only cry if I make you cry" (or whatever the line was). Tul keeps Hin on the side even though he gets married and has a son because it's in his plan to take over everything by being the perfect heir.

I'm not entirely clear on how Hin becomes sort of like a "personal assistant" to Tul, from what I understand that's what his role is in the household. I think he just does it because he wants to and because it keeps him close to Tul. They've been together since they were very young: grew up together, went to school together (highschool and university), and I can only assume Hin comes from a well-off family (Hin also still has both his parents who love him). Tul and Hin are around each other 24/7. And Hin is really obsessed with Tul...like...really obsessed. He says he was born to serve Tul and Tul is his breath (i.e. he can't live without him), and it's why their novel is called Breath. I think part of the issue too is that he witnessed a lot of Tul's abuse so he tries to make up for it.

Tul in his hatred for Tin has made sure that Tin is hated amongst his family. He does everything in his power to make sure Tin is miserable because he irrationally is jealous and blames Tin for everything that happened (his mom leaving, his grandma abusing him, Tin being the heir, etc). It's mentioned early on that Tul basically raised Tin. Their parents never wanted anything to do with Tin when he was little (they are rich socialites who care about appearances, socializing, etc). They've both mentioned that Tul spoiled him on purpose so that he would be out of control, and his parents would want to send him away to boarding school (that's why they showed the scene where Tin hurt Hin). Once he is away at boarding school that's when Tul initiates the plot to get him caught with drugs and makes sure it leaks to the press so it ruins his reputation. The woman Tul is talking to in the last episode is not Tul's real mom it's actually Tin's mom.Tin's mom is a pretty selfish character who only cares about what makes her look good, i.e. she doesn't care about her own son. Tul's mission in life is to take everything away from Tin that could ever make him happy, and now that includes Can. Anyway, Hin is a huge part of Tul's life and story. In fact, Tul's son is named after Hin and their relationship (crazy I know). It's also why Tul carries around the black stone, Hin in Thai translates to stone. Hopefully this helps anyone who is confused to better understand both their characters. You can find the novel translated on Wattpad, but I'll warn you it is graphic and definitely highlights negative aspects of a very dark relationship. It is contains rape and abuse, but beyond that a character who actively enjoys hurting his partner in unsafe ways. At the very least make sure to read what triggers there might be just in case.

Since there appears to be a lot of questions about Tul (Tin's brother) and what his issues are, I'm posting an explanation (what I know) that might help people understand better. It'll be in the spoiler below.

I'm not entirely clear on how Hin became sort of like an "assistant" to Tul, that's actually more what his role is in the household. I think he just does it because he wants to. They've been together since they were very young, grew up together, went to school together (highschool and university), and I can only assume Hin comes from a well-off family (Hin also still has both his parents who love him). They're around each other 24/7. Hin is really obsessed with Tul...like...really obsessed. He says he was born to serve Tul and Tul is his breath (i.e. he can't live without him), and it's why their novel is called Breath. I think part of the issue too is that he witnessed a lot of Tul's abuse so he tries to make up for it.

If you're interested, I responded to some of the questions you both had about Tul and Hin (that I know the answer to anyway hah).

Tul's hatred for Tin doesn't stem from Hin, Tul has always hated Tin. Tul vowed he would destroy Tin and take everything that was his because Tin is the actual legitimate child of their father. Tul's mother is English and when her and their dad got together, their father's parents (especially the grandmother) forced it to end. When that happened Tul's mother abandoned Tul and Tul's father married Tin's mom and had Tin who was considered the male heir of the family. Tul was left with his grandmother who abused him, Hin has been around him from childhood and they have a very...er...disturbing imo servant/master relationship where Tul likes to hurt and force himself on Hin and Hin allows it because he thinks Tul needs the outlet of hurting someone to make him happy. Which is true, Tul is pretty sadistic and does get off on hurting other people, especially Tin. Hin basically obsessively loves Tul to the point that he will let Tul do anything to him. That's why there's the scene in the series where Tul says "you can only cry if I make you cry" (or whatever the line was). Tul keeps Hin on the side even though he gets married and has a son because it's in his plan to take over everything by being the perfect heir.

In the meantime he has ensured that Tin is hated amongst his family and does everything in his power to make sure Tin is miserable because he irrationally blames Tin for everything that happened (his mom leaving, his grandma abusing him, Tin being the heir, etc). It's mentioned early on that Tul basically raised Tin, his parents never wanted anything to do with Tin when he was little (they are rich socialites who care about appearances, socializing, etc). They've both mentioned that Tul spoiled him on purpose so that he would be out of control and his parents would want to send him away to boarding school (that's why they showed the scene where he hurt Hin). Once he is away at boarding school that's when Tul initiates the plot to get him caught with drugs and makes sure it leaks to the press so it ruins his reputation. The woman he is talking to is not Tul's real mom it's actually Tin's mom FYI. Tul's mission in life is to take everything away from Tin that could ever make him happy, and now that includes Can. Anyway Hin actually is a huge part of Tul's life and story. In fact, Tul's son is named after Hin and their relationship (which is just...so sad). It's also why Tul carries around the black stone, Hin in Thai translates to stone. This was probably TMI but maybe it helped you to understand both their characters better?

This was actually very cute, definitely fluffy first love vibes. For it not getting very much buzz it's a nice feel-good watch.

Ok so I'm officially going to pretend the first 6 episodes didn't exist, they were so unnecessary. Episode 7 where we (FINALLY), get some plot development was a move in the right direction. Hopefully, it continues to improve from here. The teaser for episode 8 is really where I'm feeling might be a turning point in this series.

Omg, the condom scene. Dead. Judit (no H) and her expression in that scene was priceless.

You might be thinking of So Much In Love, there haven't been too many characters on this yet imo there are only four main characters right now (and one antagonist).

I'm enjoying it so far. It's not my favorite but there's nothing inherently offensive or bad about it. It's not super intense, and I think the fact that there's not anything incredibly dynamic or dramatic about it may put people off. I feel like we've seen similar comments from other BL with more staid storylines (i.e. not TharnType). It's just a matter of preference. I actually like when we get characters that are more introverted, and have quieter personalities as we see so many portrayals of confident, aggressive, extrovert type energy from leads. While I would say Solo is definitely on the aggressive/possessive side, he's definitely an introvert. In a very different sense from the icy tsundere characteristics of Phu, which is a nice contrast (we get Phu's character a lot more often too I think).

I'm in the same space with this that I'm in with My Gear and Your Gown, it's meh but then there are aspects of it that keep me interested? It's weird. I really do like Solo and Gui's chemistry, from the comments I'm probably one of the only ones haha but I really like their subtlety. There's nothing grand about their expressions or gestures, but that almost makes it even better? Maybe it's because we've had so many series with the full-on intensity of emotion, which is also great, but I think its nice to see something quieter every now and then. But I will say their dialogue...or lack thereof, is very basic which makes them come across as very basic and stilted. It's a strange dynamic. Especially because, for me, they definitely have the "honey eyes" butterfly inducing energy in their scenes together that could make you believe the characters do feel something strong (if confusing to Gui) for each other. Or maybe it's just Nut lol he definitely has an intense gaze. Solo has pretty much accepted it from the beginning but I kind of like that Gui has been hesitant, I think I would be mistrusting of such an intense "love at first sight" type of emotion as well, and I think he does play that off.

Completely skipping Kim and the doctors, it's too ridiculous. And while I like the idea of Phu and Khao the reality of them is a little disconnected. I'm waiting to see how their story goes. I feel like I'm still just waiting for things to develop/take-off and we're halfway through! Which has even more strangely been my issue with the majority of the series running right now.

they wrote this a year ago, likely after him coming off LBC (the first season) which got a lot of people excited about his future work. LBC was (and still is) one of the most popular BL we've had. When it blew up, it put him on the map for a lot of people even though he'd already directed Make It Right. Things have gone down hill from there.

Something should be made clear. Rape isn't a kink. Fantasizing about rape isn't a kink. Rape has nothing to do with the BDSM community which promotes very healthy and deep structures of consent in play. Depictions of actual rape that are misconstrued as BDSM play are extremely problematic. Fantasies about willing surrender, dominance, power, control, yes, but rape is about the taking of consent and deliberate inducement of fear and hurt from the perpetrator to the victim for sexual arousal. Very different things. Fantasizing or enjoying rape performed on yourself or others is typically caused by some underlying form of trauma or issue that has yet to be worked through, it isn't healthy.

I don't know why people are so quick to normalize the lack of seeking healing professional help when they are experiencing concerning mental paths. It's not to say someone is psychotic or sick, it just means your brain is connecting with something it probably shouldn't as a coping mechanism. I find it really interesting that people who actively enjoy reading, watching, or experiencing rape culture (not power play) spend so much time trying to actively convince others (and themselves) that it's perfectly normal and ok. I don't think there's anything wrong with considering there may be underlying issues that might be triggering the act of seeking it out and finding enjoyment in it.

I keep vacillating between this being "meh" and it catching my attention (I feel like this is a chronic New project syndrome). By far the most interesting character to me is Pure, and I love his friendship with Waan. I'm not convinced by this, but I'm still watching so there is that haha.

I'm up in the air about this. The plots are definitely different and (surprisingly) sound interesting, but since the cast is a boyband and I'm assuming this is to get their name out there, I'm hesitant about what the final product will be like. I guess we'll have to wait and see...

Interesting plot for sure, I'm curious.

Wow, that's interesting! I didn't know that.

After watching the trailer for this I'm really excited now. This was an "I'll wait and see" series for me originally but now I'm really looking forward to it. I've heard the novel is really good so I'm going to try to fit in reading it before it releases. Looks like Fall is the season for Thai BL right now haha

Well the amount they spent on production was immense (over 1.5M USD) so I'm hoping they actually surprise everyone and do something really good haha I'm going into it with an open mind and excited to see Kim, Cop, and Bas reprise the roles I loved them in, I'll keep my expectations low from there.