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It was all very confusing but it was implied (very unprofessionally) that the original cast weren't very good. It was highlighted for months that the new cast was going to have superior acting and it just was all a huge mess for all the actors involved who weren't at fault at all. It was just a very awkward, unnecessary situation that didn't need to be that way. It left fans feeling upset and the original cast in the dark and confused. It also didn't help when Godt announced he wasn't coming back, that was probably a catalyst to a lot of it. I get if Motive Village and Chiffon_Cake weren't satisfied and wanted to make changes but things just weren't handled very well. I'm happy that the 2Moons2 cast has seen a lot of success, even if I don't necessarily agree with all the casting choices (just my opinion). I actually like Joong and Nine, who play MingKit, a lot. It's just a bummer things ended the way they did. So now I'm glad we get a new "redemption" type series lol hopefully it's good.

The storyline is a little confusing, I'm still not quite sure how a lot of the characters interconnect or are related to each other. As of now, there seem to be three or four completely different storylines with no connecting arc. It doesn't help that they introduce characters out of nowhere with very little (if any) context and that the subs aren't very good. This is one of those that's a wait and see I think. I am probably the most curious about what's going to happen between Ongsah and North. I'm wondering if North is even dead since people seem to think the reason he disappeared was to go to school abroad. I can't remember their names but the best friends were cute, they were one of the ones highlighted in the teaser so I wonder if they'll end up being a couple? Oat and Strong didn't leave much of an impression on me, which is strange considering they're the main characters.

I'm sorry but being hateful and unaccepting of femgays is digusting and just as homophobic as people who hate all gays period. Femgays are just as much a part of the LGBTQ+ community and culture. I'm horrified that you posted this comment.

It's so bizarre. It's been one episode and people are dragging it to hell when...it wasn't even that bad? lol I don't get it.

Suffice to say OG 2Moons fans have been waiting for this day lol I really hope it lives up to our expectations. Let's be real, we just want KimCop to get the air time and story development they deserved.

I've heard this is actually based of a fanfiction that was a spinoff of 2Moons lol so that's why the names are so similar. They basically are the same characters. Which is kind of hilarious and shady (in the best way lol) considering the beef that happened with the original cast of 2Moons2 not being re-cast.

Not sure why this is getting so much in-depth criticism lol I can't imagine this is on par with some of the worst BL we've gotten this year, or in years past, at least for me there have been some that I literally couldn't force myself to sit through and it takes a lot for me to give up on a series haha. I was actually pleasantly surprised and really enjoyed the episode! I was expecting a lot out of the production and I wasn't disappointed. Was it a little cheesy? Yes, but like 95% of BL are cheesy let's be real. I also didn't think the dialogue was much different from what we typically get in BL so I'm not sure what exactly people were expecting coming into this. This actually reminds me quite heavily of a Hallmark movie production lmao it's lighthearted fluff for the most part (at least for now), if you're expecting something more hard-hitting it's probably not going to be this. Though I'm not entirely sure how people could be expecting something different considering the trailer was like a Disney movie on steroids. Very rom-com feels so far, with the typical tropes. The first episode was actually pretty fun, Sky's family is the best part right now, they're hilarious. Don't take it too seriously and you'll probably enjoy it.

Uh...what was that ending? Lol maybe they'll make a part 2? That was a little abrupt...

Yeah I get what you're saying though I don't really agree. A lot of idol groups have the position of rapper, not necessarily rappers. In most idol groups regular trainees who have never rapped before fill that position. I'm not saying they aren't good, or that they can't learn and grow to become great rappers but its a stretch to say that a lot of idol groups have what could be considered strong rappers. And that's ok, personally rather than just having a rapper to balance a song, I prefer rappers who are there to add substance. But I've grown up on rap and hip-hop my whole life so I think I'm pickier than most.

Just as a side-note as someone who was surprised by and fell in love TXT's unexpectedly diverse and experimental discography, you're limiting yourself if you're judging a group around the status of their rappers. While TXT don't have set positions, when it makes sense their songs do have raps that Yeonjun writes. Though personally I think their discography stands out for other reasons but that's just me :)

Personally I don't think Meen told Pear as a friend. He was being spiteful and looking to stir up drama. There were better ways to have gone about revealing what was going on. Like I said, if he didn't want to hurt anyone he could have told Mike and Peem that he knew the truth and if Mike wasn't honest with Pear he was going to tell her. At the very least they deserved a heads up. Part of the reason Peem died is because Meen told Pear the way he did. I stand by saying that what he did wasn't right, just like what Mike did wasn't right. It's ok to think differently but I don't agree with what he did, there were better ways of handling the situation, and I think you're forgetting that he was also supposed to be friends with Mike/Peem and that didn't seem to matter much to him at all. All around he wasn't a good friend, he hurt everyone involved just because he wanted to be the first one to spill the secret, add to that he didn't feel sorry for what he did at all even though Peem died because of it.

I do think Mike got off too easily but I don't think that changes that they did an excellent job writing, acting and producing a complicated storyline. Life isn't fair, and there are many instances where people don't get the punishments they deserve for the things they've done...that's just reality for me, but that's my own take on it. My comment was more meant to unpack what I was left with at the end, and to explain my thoughts on why things ended the way the did, not to say that it was the perfect ending (which I didn't say). But I also don't think the purpose was to show a perfect ending. Most important to me is that I felt like Peem needed to forgive to be able to move on because resentment and anger are emotions that hurt the person that feels them more than the person they are directed towards. It's unfortunate that he happened to fall in love with Mike, someone who didn't appreciate him or love him the way he deserved. And I'm sorry, I guess I don't really understand your first point, Just because Mike and Peem may have eventually gotten caught doesn't make what Meen did any more correct? I feel like everyone's feelings on the series are going to be based on their own interpretation of the storyline which is great, everyone's entitled to have different opinions.

Yep. This episode got me. Full on tears. Wtf. I can't believe Akira did that. Yuki deserves so much better.

I wanted to comment to kind of help myself process a bit haha from what I understood Peem did initially go after Mike, that happens in Chapter 1 when we first see Peem come back. I think Peem realizes that Mike feels heavy remorse for what happened and that helps to heal the anger that brought him back after he died and allowed him to forgive Mike. Which for me is a good thing because peace for Peem won't come until he's able to let go of what happened. As for Meen, he felt no remorse even though his actions were what caused all of this to happen. At the end of the day what was going on was between Mike, Peem, and Pear. Mike coming to terms with his feelings for Peem and telling Pear what he was doing is, while sucky, a situation that needed to come to a conclusion from the people involved. I don't think Meen told Pear from a good place as a friend, you can see from the way he told her and the way he acts about it now at the end, which is likely why Peem is still angry with him. If he had really been interested in trying to help anyone, he would have told Mike he knew and let Mike know if he didn't tell Pear he was going to at the very least to give him a heads up or try to help him work through things as a friend (or at least that's what I would have done). I don't like what Mike did at all, but he was also in some sense a victim when Meen outed him, nobody deserves that, I just wish he had reacted differently. I think that's what I love the most about this story, the characters are very layered and nothing is really black and white. Who knows what someone can do if they're angry and afraid...Who knows what someone will do with a secret that could hurt others...Who knows how much someone will forgive for love...

I also wanted to say this was an excellent portrayal and the whole team who worked on this did an amazing job! Even though I was anxiously awaiting the conclusion, I'm sad it's over!

I get what you mean about judging panels being harsh, but...they aren't judges. They've likely never had to assess and judge anyone but themselves before. I'm sure they've compared themselves to others but being put on the spot to assess someone else's skill level when you're all peers is probably overwhelming. It's one thing to be competitive, it's another to know that you judging your peer and finding them lacking could mean you're taking away an opportunity you know what it's like to want badly. I just think for the first episode I'm not surprised they were unsure or hesitant, I'm sure they'll finesse their criteria on who to vote for very quickly. As far as rappers showing up 1. we haven't seen everyone's skill level and 2. it depends on who auditioned and how good they were. How do you know any rappers even auditioned, or that the rappers who did audition were any good? If I'm honest most true rappers aren't going to audition for an idol reality show.

No worries, I read about it from the press releases from k-news articles talking about the show, and I think Bang PD mentioned something in the BigHit Corporate Briefing (but I could be misremembering), I'm not sure how widely it spread about how involved they were going to be with the show hah

Guess we'll see.

I did see that they did but I haven't had the time to watch it yet. Yay for long holiday weekends so I can catch up on things hah

I've watched quite a few survival programs, though I stopped with the more recent ones as I find them to be difficult to watch a lot of the time. I'm having a really positive feeling about the way this is structured. When I heard that they were going to structure the show around how BigHit/BangPD choose and train their artists my curiosity was peaked and after the first episode I can really appreciate this idea of them giving the contestants more power. I really like that they'll have the chance to make their own future and to build their own team. Rather than it being a team forced together through popularity votes, I'm curious to see the criteria they will use to measure who gets to be on the team and how that will strengthen their dynamic as a team in the end. I love that BangPD emphasized their potential because I think they all have it in spades. I was honestly floored by how talented and what a strong stage presence the majority of the contestants have from the get-go, particularly when a lot of them haven't been training very long. We'll see how things turn out but so far I'm really into this.

Actually Bang PD had a hand in producing the show as well, basically how the show is structured. They structured it around how BigHit/BangPD chooses and trains their artists which is why it's been marketed as a different kind of survival show. If you notice in the first episode Bang PD talks about the reasoning behind why he chose particular contestants to be a part of the show. He was involved in choosing the 23 who would take part.

Also, I'm pretty sure BigHit own half or nearly half of Belift. Belift is housed in BigHit's new building too.

I mean you have to consider how overwhelming that had to be. Literally the first thing they're doing is voting on (for all they know) who deserves to stay, without any prior warning. You could tell they were all unsure about what to do and who to vote for, I think they'll get more discerning once they know each other better and what their strengths/talents are. Not only are they all really young, but I'm pretty sure they all understand how much this means to each and every one of them. You would have to be heartless to think it's easy to take an opportunity away from someone in the blink of an eye, even if you're essentially competing against them. I'm surprised you think they needed to find better quality trainees, I thought they were really exceptional. I was surprised they were that talented from the beginning with many of them having very little trainee experience.