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Maybe, but I think it's pretty set that Pitch and Gun are end game. I haven't gotten the impression they're going to stray away from that.

I meant recent promotions, every series has a promotion period during and after where the actors go on an interview circuit and have meet and greets. For example, they go on talk shows to talk about the series to promote the show or have fan meetings. Usually the main couple of the series leads the promotion, though they often go with the second lead pairing or sometimes the director. In what I've seen for promotion for the show New and Double are leading it along with Nam and Heng. I haven't seen Pepo at all and I've seen Leo once with New, Double, Nam, Heng, and Boss. New and Double are always there either with Nam and Heng or alone. There was actually a really cute interview where they were paired off and played a game together with Nam and Heng, it was hilarious and the four of them have an awesome, fun dynamic together lol. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is this is very unusual for series promo for the main couple not to be there.

Ooo that would be an interesting plot twist and you couldn't tell me it wouldn't be deserved after what Susie did to cover up for Gun. Though If I'm honest I'm just rooting for Zo period at this point. Gun and Pitch just make me cringe.

Watching Gun and Pitch together is like watching paint dry at this point, they're one of the worst casting decisions for a couple I've seen in a while. Though are they even the main couple at this point? I'm starting to wonder if something happened behind the scenes because I've been noticing that neither Pepo nor Leo are in any of the promo for the show (I've only seen Leo in an interview once while New and Double sat front and center). The promo rotation seems to be led by New/Double and Nam/Heng. Did they decide to cut their losses and promote the pairings that actually sparked off in the series? I've also heard rumors that New and Double already have a new series confirmed as leads (praying this is true). It just seems bizarre to me that the main couple has essentially been side-lined and overshadowed (massively) in the show by the second leads and now they're not even promoting together. We're nearing the end of the series and they may as well be kissing cousins with how much their relationship has progressed.

Anyway, all this to say everything about this series is pretty crap aside from Pawin lol he's the most interesting character the show has and my only impetus to keep watching at this point (aside from my soft spot for Wayha and Wayu). The star potential in this show is definitely the secondary couples, I don't know what they were thinking putting Leo and Pepo together as leads considering who else they cast for the show. A much more interesting (and granted f'd up lol) storyline than the GunPitch mess would have been Gun and Zo considering what happened in the past, Imagine them getting together and then finding out the truth about Gun's history with Zo's brother, ouch but pass me the popcorn. I agree with everyone saying the first tiniest flame of something resembling chemistry with a co-star for Pepo has been with Boss.

There are a lot of things going wrong here. The writing and production being majority subpar is a huge one, but if I'm honest I've never really gotten the hype around JaFirst. I don't think they have the chemistry or acting chops for lead roles and it certainly doesn't help that they're consistently given low-caliber projects. I have a two-episode "give it a chance rule" and this is hitting all the wrong notes for me.

I just want a 'The Bachelor' style spinoff for our head kekisaur Bong, he's a hoot and a half and I need to see the chaos of a group of men vying for his attention.

His behavior the whole time has been crap. He flirted with Jaab from the very beginning and led him on while in a relationship. He kept "friend-zoning" Jaab but with side benefits for him, he emotionally manipulated their relationship, deliberately would talk about Mon in front of Jaab, but also would knowingly flirt with him...red flags. Even adding in his relationship with Mon failing or whatever there is zero excuse for not breaking up with someone before trying something on with someone else, especially if you already know your feelings have changed or are changing. If he knew he was starting to have feelings for Jaab - enough that he went in for a kiss with him first - then he should have restrained himself long enough that he could have left things clear. Jen strikes me as the type of person who wants to eat his cake and have it too. These types of characters are a miss for me. He wasn't in an impossible situation, there was an easy fix that would have meant he could pursue something with Jaab free and clear if that's what he really wanted, but he's got crocodile tears and feels so bad...yeah, bye. I can't empathize with Jen and I get where Jaab is coming from. The kiss and everything about their "relationship" started off on the wrong foot and the only one seeming to feel that sincerely is Jaab. If Jen could be that flippant about a committed relationship, what's to say he wouldn't just do the same to Jaab down the road? He used and abused his relationship with Jaab for his own convenience and that was shitty.

To be fair Jaab has displayed crap behavior too. It's shitty to flirt with someone who is taken but the person who's "taken" is playing with his head and blatantly giving him the green light. If you have any respect for relationships in general, it shouldn't matter how much someone flirts with you. It's not hard to break up if you're questioning things, if your feelings have changed, or if your relationship is having issues. Jaab actually being a stand-up guy, regrets what happened between them because even he knows it shouldn't have happened the way it did. The fact that Jen broke up with Mon doesn’t magically fix everything and absolve the situation, and I support Jaab not giving in to give him a happy ending after the way he behaved. It shows me he's the better person, as he was not enjoying being with someone who was two-timing and playing mind games. Jen was blatantly leading him on: the ambiguous remarks, the lingering looks and touches, the way he let Jaab touch him without restraint, kissing him but pulling back like it wasn't what he wanted when he was the one who initiated it. You can't tell me he didn't know damn well what he was doing, he isn't dumb. He knew Jaab was all in for him and instead of setting boundaries while he figured things out, he was wishy-washy and added fuel to the fire. He used him, made him feel like shit constantly, and manipulated their situation. It gives me the ick. I will always think that Jaab deserves a better love story, but I'm sure he's going to be left with Jen in the end which is a sad state of affairs.

It still gets me the way Jen just shamelessly came up to Jaab and was like "Hey, I broke up with my boyfriend finally so we can be together out in the open now, no biggie!" That's it? Like? 🥴 I would have said no thanks too.

They need to just not be together. Why in the world would people want them to continue their relationship or (godforbid) have them get their own series??? Jen is a walking red flag, if I were Jaab I wouldn't have wanted to continue anything with him either. Jaab deserves someone a hell of a lot better than Jen, if they end up together that's the last nail in the coffin of this series.

Hiro and Jericho are the best thing about this series. I'm honestly kind of heartbroken they're likely to be stuck in projects with shit production and writing. What they've done with the little they've been given has been pretty outstanding.

Clearly you care or you wouldn't have written five paragraphs of hysterics with desperate attempts at validating your own issues as "normalcy".

1. See provided links below. I work with rape victims every day and see the devastating effects of rape on individuals whose lives have been irrevocably changed in great part due to the desensitization prominent around sexual violence, The psychology behind the desensitization that happens due to violence in media is widely studied and has conclusively found high correlation, particularly in terms of the effects on sexual violence reporting and failure to criminalize, with depictions of sexual violence in media.

2. Yes, let's use a novel that was published in 1955 and subsequently has remained highly controversial for it's subject matter as a prime example for how to model the romanticization of pedophilia in modern media. An ode to the patriarchy and it's wonderful, lasting effects. Love it.

3. "Repulsed" by rape portrayed against on children, but turned on
by rape portrayed against adults, specifically gay men. Right. Got it. Sounds lovely and totally normal.

4. Dahmer may have been "dead for years" but his victims families are very much still alive and have spoken outright about the effects the show has had on them, and the horrors of living with not only seeing the way he has been humanized and romanticized, but hearing from people blaming the victims for what happened to them in their delusional sympathy for a murderer. Not that you would apparently care, because you seem completely out of touch with reality, but they directly asked for people to boycott the series. But of course, who cares about what they want or think right? It's just television after all. This complete disregard and separation for the very REAL effects on living breathing human beings that come from fictionalized media is exactly what I'm talking about and what you clearly care nothing about so I think there's nothing left to be said.

Since you apparently don't have the ability to research fuck all for yourself (also spoiler alert: any search around this topic can pull up hundreds of articles with scientifically backed research in scholarly journals). The fact that violence sells so there are active campaigns to misrepresent scientific findings on the subject because it wouldn't be good for business, doesn't mean there is no basis in the very real argument that violence in media has very real effects on the mind, and can very much translate into real world effects. A perfect analogy is the effect of smoking and second-hand smoking. Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer, and not everyone who gets lung cancer is a smoker, smoking however is an important factor in the existence and pervasion of lung cancer in individuals. Not everyone who consumes violent media is predisposed to becoming violent, but it does have an affect on our mental processes and actually can, in those predisposed towards violent tendencies, be an important factor in the perpetuation and subsequent desensitization of violence towards others:

Desensitization to Media Violence: Links With Habitual Media Violence Exposure, Aggressive Cognitions, and Aggressive Behavior: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4522002/

Emotional and Physiological Desensitization to Real-Life and Movie Violence: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4393354/

The Longitudinal Relationship Between Media Violence and Empathy: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15213269.2015.1121825

Media violence, desensitization, and psychological engagement: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2013-00995-012

Consensus on media violence effects: https://psycnet.apa.org/search/display?id=6a16e16d-b3c8-a694-eebf-ebd04ea40b01&recordId=1&tab=PA&page=1&display=25&sort=PublicationYearMSSort%20desc,AuthorSort%20asc&sr=1

Comfortably Numb: Desensitizing Effects of Violent Media on Helping Others: https://www.jstor.org/stable/40575012

Sexual Violence in the Media: An Exploration of Traditional Print Media Reporting in the United States, 2014–2017: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947a1.htm#suggestedcitation

All I see in your comments is a defensiveness that very obviously stems from your own insecurities. No way in hell would you ever talk like this in public, or around your family. You being chronically closeted online with your kinks is definitely a you problem. If none of what we're saying applies to you, why are you so triggered? You clearly have deep seated issues and I truly hope you get help.

I mean, why wouldn't you watch it? What's the difference? Why not have it be mainstream media, since it's so excusable?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I literally said there is a huge difference between depicting rape as a part of a story to delve deeper into darker issues, and the reverse of that which is romanticizing and fetishizing rape as a trope for romantic or pornographic fiction. This isn't a movie or series with a plot that involves rape, the entire plot is built around rape and abuse. It isn't even using rape or abuse to show the realities or to dive into the psychological aspects of the issue, but rather is a convenient way to lead into a romantic and functional relationship between the two leads. Not only is it disturbing to me that people will take enjoyment out of this, you apparently being one, perpetuating "fiction" like this is dangerous. We already have way too many people ready and willing to excuse and justify rape, or who find consent to be negotiable. Again, where's the line? If we're going to pass off any crime as capable of being fetishized or romanticized why not pedophelia then? Because it's disgusting! How is rape somehow more excusable? Because we're dealing with non-consenting adults rather than children? Get real.

And actually, to answer your completely irrelevant question, no I do not enjoy content that romanticizes murderers either, tf? A perfect example of that is the disgusting way Netflix profited off of and romanticized Dahmer in their series at the expense of his victims and their families. The fact that a sadistic human like Dahmer has fangirls is sick and that literally comes from portrayals of him that mimic content like this. Murderers, particularly those stemming from real killers, aren't romantic heroes and neither are rapists! Are you serious right now? And yes I'm highly concerned with sexual crimes because they are proportionately more committed, most excused, least reported/punished, with the victims being primarily those who are the most marginalized with the least recourse. Use a brain cell and get help, truly.

Yep, I have zero tolerance for rape apologists and fetishists. You can "think differently" all you want, it doesn't make the reality any less fucked. Also, since when is there a degree to which someone can express their opinion over something? I can be as strong-minded as I like about any topic and express that just as much as anyone else in the comments, you don't have to agree with me and I could certainly care less if you (or anyone else for that matter) like what I said. How about you stop policing someone else for expressing an opposition to the group-think anticipation happening in the comments. If someone is upset or uncomfortable that I called out people for their very real rape fetish that's a problem they need to take up with themselves.

Where does it end then? Is it all good for pedophilia to also be added to this list? Is that romantic and enjoyable to watch too? Sick fr.

It's interesting to me the people who scream at others "don't watch if you can't handle it!" "leave if you don't like it, because I do" and write a two-page essay with every excuse in the book for why enjoying material like this is perfectly fine and logical. For one, expressing the opinion that a synopsis and premise for a novel or show is fucked up isn't the same as watching it. I would never watch this, but pretty sure you have to click on this page and read the synopsis to find out what this is about.

Two, stop making excuses for yourself and just say you enjoy rape porn without the need to justify it. That's literally all this is, there is nothing complex about it. I have to laugh at people saying "it's fiction" like that excuses actively enjoying the act of reading or watching someone getting raped and tortured. It being a work of fiction doesn't make that any less disturbing. I honestly wonder if the synopsis were pedophilic (because sickos out there do write, depict, and romanticize that) would you still be perfectly fine to say "well, it's fiction!"? If you don't want to delve too deeply into why you enjoy content like this that's on you, but taking enjoyment out of watching someone get abused and raped, and actively encouraging and enjoying rape-to-love tropes (fiction or otherwise) is not in any way "normal". It's one thing for rape to be depicted or written as a part of a story to delve into deeper and more complex themes, slapping rape and abuse over a romance to cater to fetish is not that. Some of the comments on this page turn my stomach for real.

One of the series I'm looking forward to from the GMMTV batch for sure.

To be honest I was surprised to see they were the one pairing with two series teased when GMM has such a stacked roster of talent.

I never saw the chemistry between Book and Force but I'm hoping that it was just because the writing and plot in their last series were awful, so I'm coming into this with an open mind even if the premise is already a bit meh to me. After Enchante, I was kind of hoping they'd split Force from Book so he could try acting with someone else.

EDIT: Nevermind I just saw New's directing (facepalm). Still giving it a chance, expectations in the gutter. Maybe that's a good thing because you can only go up from here.

The casting is bizarre considering the GMM roster, but I'm up to giving it a chance.