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She got stuck on you! 😇 you goddess, you.

Mike drop @ first paragraph. 💯

Nope, he was still Coma Boy in the novel. They actually modified intimate scenes with Xiang Liu to make sure the drama’s CP stayed “pure,” but TJC’s micro expressions were too good 😂. The Viewers who did not read the novel were not fooled.

Go, nathsketch Mom! Hao! 😆

Yes, they even complained in the BTS that their lips were swollen and took a picture. Then later after they have seen the version, they were complaining again especially WXY that the kiss scene should have been longer. The BTSs were funny because WXY always asked for a kiss in the scenes that we wanted a kiss lol 😂 and the Director would always refuse, damn Director!.

Damn director, they kissed for over an hour in the BTS and their lips were swollen! LOL

Told you someone would give you the pirate sites :). Just make sure your devices are well-protected because those sites send trojans.

You can support by paying Youku or Viki by clicking up on this page. It's not much more than paying for a couple of movies. I also read that you can pay for just one month on Youku and bingewatch but I could be wrong.

I think since Netflix owns the episodes, they won’t be. Do you have Netflix? If not, I’m sure somebody here will give you some pirate sites to go to.

I'm glad you enjoyed your second (third? LOL) round. I'm on Episode 24 again, one of my favorites. Then going back to Episode 15 of LLTG.

"We already have to tolerate those forehead tattoos." Why are you even watching C-historical dramas? Why, why, why should we tolerate you?

Lost all my nine heads for Forever. Nope, not catchy either, heeheehee.

Thanks! 💕 Rewatching brings new insight.

Thanks! It’s a great drama to obsess over! 😂

You are on the way to becoming a Doublet. :)

Yes, when she was wailing at his feet about marrying Young Cave Li, she revealed to us viewers that SYR knew everything about her past. Which is again another clue that SYR wasn't "forced" into anything; he'd seduced her enough to gain her trust about telling him her past, her health condition AND Cheng wang's rebellion plans. Mr. SYR only started making alternate plans when his dear departed wife arrived back in town and being feted left and right for her capabilities. After all, he was* a scholar at heart and how could the Crazy Princess compare to a Cai Nue when it came to heartstrings? Wanning could never do stuff like playing music instruments and reciting poetry with him like XFF did with him.

Watching Duke Su giving up his fish emblem for XFF made SYR realize how those two must have been together intimately and then with things happening against Wanning and his reputations after that, he definitely would be suspicious of how things were falling into place. Thus he made two chess moves of his own: 1) contact Chen wang secretly because now he really hated Duke Su and 2) giving up the Fu Ma plan (if Duke Su could give away his most powerful thing--an army--for his woman, then SYR could likewise show XFF he could do something similar (his most powerful thing he had was to be Fu Ma). It did not occur to poor SYR that love was the most powerful of them all.

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. @DefyingDestiny and I had a great past midnight conversation on SYR and XFF too this morning on another thread. I think you will like it.

Yes, hanky, brain fart at way past my bed time here, haha.
Yes yes yes to the pleasure of watching SYR going bolder and crazier! I think he grew bolder because he saw another choice/option and then got angrier because "how dare these women didn't do it the way he'd planned!"
He had his masochistic play going, always lowering himself to Wanning to the point of kneeling and then, he started to hug her from behind, saying, "My life is in your hands,' WHILE HOLDING BOTH HER HANDS IN HIS. LOL. Did you catch that? Then, he started towering over her, until that scene when she was forced into marrying Stupid Cave Li and she was AT HIS FEET and I was just waiting for him to twirl too, Lmao. Oh, you make this so fun, my friend. Now I have to go rewatch that scene tomorrow.
(And by tomorrow, I meant, sigh--looking up at clock--today)

An interesting observation. Your longer post in our Other Topics (Under Characters) made some more good points. I'll have to bring in Wanning and SYR's relationship over there LOL.

But here, let's focus on SYR's dark side. Yes, like you, I believe he had that dark side to him and his approaching Wanning to return the fan (if I remember correctly) was not an accident. Surely, at that point, he had been humiliated with no one attending his "hello, I'm the Scholar Emeritus party" and surely he already heard about Wanning the Crazy Evil Princess by then. He saw her as an opportunity, as he'd seen XFF (and her family) as one when he was nothing but a poor scholar. XFF had pushed him up, giving him ideas and selling her valuables, but now it was no longer enough. She was, as we've seen, standing OUTSIDE THE DOOR, and he needed someone inside to give him ideas and valuables. Unfortunately, Wanning was not as controllable.

The righteous scholar act was all well and good as a way to gain status, but what he truly wanted was power, something he saw XH had. So, at his death, XFF's final "wish" for him to be born noble was somewhat ironic because it wasn't just nobility or riches that pushed SYR to do what he did--it was power. As Fu Ma, he would have gotten that. Or the PM's Di Nue's husband, advisor to the Emperor. He was playing both sides and finally chose XFF/Jiang Li. But it all went to hell when Xiao Heng jumped into the play (darn him!) and interrupted his script of marriage.

But this made the revenge more "realistic" to me. She was behaving like the wronged woman she was. Away from SYR's presence, she could pretend to be Jiang Li and create situations to avenge Jiang Li like at the Coming of Age Ceremony. But she did go back to the Capital to avenge herself too and yes, she used Jiang Li's identity to do it. Since the beginning, burying Jiang Li's body with her clothes, she'd already hatched out her own plans for revenge. Perhaps she didn't know the ways she would achieve it, but she knew the means--the Di Nue of the PM was going to catch SYR's eye sooner or later.

Her first encounter with her murderous hubby after the Coming of Age Ceremony, outside the house of Jiang, was very telling. She could barely control herself. When she was inside, she was Jiang Li, but standing outside that door, she was essentially XFF. I noticed she carried this theme throughout; whenever she was inside the Jiang or the Ye doors, she was very immersed in her role, but when she was outside, she wandered around like the restless spirit of a dead woman, doing her avenging ghost act, like the almost macabre smile she gave her MIL and SIL outside the door.

Even Xiao Heng noticed this and a few times advised her to stop living so much like a dead woman. He wanted her to live for herself in more ways than just living as Jiang Li or XFF seeking revenge.

This, I felt, she couldn't do for quite a while. Every time she was with SYR in private, she behaved like a real angry "dead" wife would--testing him, pushing him, saying things that betrayed her identity (I don't even think she cared sometimes whether he figured it out or not because like any normal person, she couldn't believe this man she'd married was capable of such evil).

Therein lay the genius of layering characters. XFF was good, but she had also been tainted by that inky rain and cloud her husband created. I believe, until the cleansing rain of the Drunk Scene of Episode 17, XFF wasn't totally in control of herself. She had been raped physically and mentally and surely being buried for a while did some damage, LOL. Every time SYR came near her, the desire to hurt him back, to even kill him, must have been strong (she almost lost it in the Palace with Wanning giving her the arrow and that was why the following conversation with Duke Su was so revealing--she said she wanted justice at any cost).