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Well, if KHN looks every bit of 46, then she looks just right to play a ~46 year old. Welcome to the winning team! 🎉 🥳Woo hoo! 🎆🧨🥂

Who is this mythical man who tried to keep his distance? Yoo Ji Ho pursues Lee Jung In in every episode - even tries to offload his emotional responsibility into Jung In, asking her to reject him so he doesn't have to make that decision himself.

It's not that Lee Jung In is reluctant to break it off with her boyfriend - she's done that at least three times up to episode 7, and the man just won't go away. The only error I see on her part at this point is failing to threaten a restraining order against Kwon Ki Seok.

Why y'all giving a free pass to two guys who are voluntarily up to their necks in a mess they helped make?

I'm 7 episodes in and LOVING this series. I love the leads, the story, the characters, the cast, the dynamic between the sisters, the whole basketball team, and the locations -- everything except whoever made the decision to keep shooting pensive, self-reflective scenes through lumber and glass. Cute the first couple of episodes, annoying since then.

I usually watch dramas with one finger on the ff button, but to my own surprise, I'm taking my time with this series. Instead of dragging, the story thoughtfully plays out decisions, consequences, and the emotions that inevitably are evoked.

Maybe the fact that I like it so much, particularly like the lead pairing together, makes me less judgemental about the ethics. Is it cheating when you tell your partner "Let's break up," and he replies, "I can't agree to that."? I'd be like well, hun, this is not something that requires your agreement. To me, all previous obligations are vapor after that, and the gaslighting isn't likely to sway me.

I understand why folks are saying "emotional cheating" in the early episodes, but even then the options aren't pretty: shut it down from the start and marry a man who presents, at best, a lukewarm future, or break it off with boyfriend to explore a future with someone who sparkles your heart. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, it seems.

What I don't understand is why the moralists in these comments condemn Lee Jung In and give Yoo Ji Ho a hall pass when he knew Jung In was in a relationship. Both made the stupid decision to be "friends," both had the ulterior motive of attraction, both were dishonest with Kwon Ki Seok, both pursued the other.

IRL situations like this, my reaction is well that sucks but thank goodness you figured it out before marriage, so I'm going with that reaction for this drama as well.

"I hope she won't get bored with ml too after being in years of relationship"

She won't, because the relationship ended after 16 episodes.

A double down flailing fail of a response. The only people who whinge about "virtue signaling" are those who have none to signal.

There is not an actress in all of Korea who doesn't look 7-10 years younger than her actual age. We should all have their skin care routines and genes. Carry on as you will, though, the karma of not aging gracefully will gnaw your raggedly old ass into oblivion.

That's just realistic. When a woman kills her abuser, she often ends up in jail. That how the world works. Prisons are packed with women who would be dead if they hadn't fought back.

In this case, though, the detective was practically begging her to take the excuse he was feeding her.

Jealous

Just the first 12 episodes.

Happy ending? Not from my POV. When Hong Ju Ran left So did I.

Generally, plot holes of the size and frequency of the ones in this series have me dropping a show like it's a hot rock, but the depth of the characters and the outstanding cast kept me binging Red Swan. There are a lot of gaps in the story and deux ex machina has to be called in when reality and the space/time continuum threaten to get in the way of script absurdities, but I still enjoyed the series.

The entire cast is great, without exception, and they make the show addictively watchable despite its boatload of flaws. I ended up sympathetic to characters I thought I'd hate and hating characters for whom I started out sympathetic.

Kim Ha Neul plays O Wan Su, a self-made rags-to-riches success story. She's a woman determined that other children be spared the fear, uncertainty, and deprivation of her own childhood. Putting herself in a position to realize that goal cost the lives of her loved ones, and puts her own life at risk.

Rain is Seo Do Yun, a former police officer on a mission to solve the murder of his brother cop. His investigation entangles him with O Wan Su when it appears the same killer is gunning for her. Don't ask how we know that, just roll with it.

The two leads hooked me from the get-go. A near foxhole type lust moment between O Wan Su and Seo Do Yun after the sniper incident was smoking, and I loved their restrained intensity and moments of tenderness throughout the series.

Despite how well Rain and Kim Ha-Neul worked as the lead couple, comments on the ML/FL dynamic follow the standard MDL pattern: ML is a perfect swoon worthy hunk whom the inferior-in-every-way FL doesn't deserve or measure up to. That comment pattern is so predictable it ought to be baked into the MDL plot synopses just to save time.

My advice: ignore that drivel.

Some commenters are bothered that Kim Ha-Neul's characterization of O Wan Su wasn't more demonstrative. She's presented with the vulnerable stoicism of a woman who has faced unbearable loss and has no choice but to persevere.

Perhaps Kim Ha-Neul could have played O Wan Su as a weeping damsel, swooning with the vapors, back of her hand pressed melodramatically against her forehead, but O Wan Su has to be strong and relentless to survive, and a strong, relentless woman doesn't have the luxury to wail, flutter, fall apart, or swoon.

One more place I'll diverge from the pack: I thought the ending was perfect.

Not many funny moments in this show, but one made me bark laugh. E6, 16:30, MIL: "Why do you keep doing that?"

It's good. I binge watched. The series has a LOT of plot holes; despite that, the action and cast - everyone perfect for their roles - makes it well worth the time spent.

"am not an ageism person or anti women(as a woman myself)" but let me make an ageist and sexist generalization.

This isn't a romance, but I thought the chemistry between the leads simmered throughout. There was just enough of an attraction to entangle ML/FL into each other's stories, but not so much as to get in the way of the plot.

Kim Ha-Neul plays a character who left Korea in her late teens, spent two years earning a tour card, then 12 years on tour. She returned to Korea, courted, married, and bore a child who would have been about 10-11 at time of this story. Given the timeline, and the intractability of mathematics, the youngest her character could be is mid 40s. That means Kim Ha-Neul was playing her real age at the time the series was produced.

You hit the bullseye of ageism/sexism for claiming an actress is "too old" to play a character who is her same age.

If 2 is an unacceptably high body count for you, then you'll be doing women everywhere a service by staying in your mom's basement a while longer.

You have an active fantasy life. Enjoy your delusions.

Extra points for calling something "simp." You can probably get the incel bonus badge if you designate one of the characters as a "Chad."

"Also it’s shown many times that in his POV he thinks she didn’t want this marriage at all"

Shown where? Certainly not in the first four eps that have aired so far. Looks like we'll get to that later, but that's far from established at this point.

Even so, to me that's a big "so what?" How would showing some basic common decency "force" FL into anything?

Yeah, it has the flavor of an old fashioned bodice ripper romance book where the man is cruel, mean, and a complete jerk, so of course the woman falls in love with his manliness.

Firstly, trolling is a valid hobby, so let's not hate on trolls. Secondly, an equally valid hobby is yanking the chains of those who genuinely believe a man's toxic, asshole behavior is just a cute, harmlessly misguided expression of true love.

Y'all jumping through some serious hoops here to excuse aberrant behavior, so I gotta wonder about your home lives. You may hate me, but your partners will thank me.