So do you know if the original short form series is still available somewhere? It seemed to me they added things…
Not sure … I skipped most of episodes 1 to 3. It is possible they added the previously deleted scenes … producers sometimes do that when re-releasing shows in a new format.
LOLs, time to rewatch the first three episodes. Haha.
It's open-ended. Meaning, it is up to the audience to decide what kind of ending they want to believe.1. If you…
Yep, I'm glad this method of ending a series is gaining ground in K-Drama land. They've wasted a lot of series that could've gained a cult following and earned them far more than a single season.
They just need to keep a way for a possible new season, that way if they ever decide to go back to a series, there is an option to continue it instead of rebooting it. They are so good in writing stories but not so in establishing a franchise and a cult following.
Why isn't available on sites or other streamings like Viki? Last week there was on Viki a season 2 page but now…
There is something weird going on with Asia-Pacific streaming sites. For example, a Singaporean drama entitled "Mind Jumper" originally aired and streamed in 2020. But for some reason Movies and TV Drama tracking sites like Trakt TV and The Movide Database listed it as premiering April 2021. It doesn't even have an IMDB and Wikipedia entries yet.
Normally it would have been because of licensing deals. But the absense of an IMDB and Wikipedia entries doesn't make sense when the series officially aired and streamed in 2020. It would have at least some presence in these two websites.
Thirdly, anyone from Asia can watch the series for free in the official streaming site of the production company. Fourth, one of the supporting actress was the leader of the K-Pop / SG-Pop group SKarf. But literally no one talked about the show for a year until it premiered this month.
If anything, this is probably the same case with Dramaworld 2. Some restriction or embargo or something.
Is there going to be a season 2 the ending seem like there is?
It's open-ended. Meaning, it is up to the audience to decide what kind of ending they want to believe.
1. If you want to believe that Han Tae Sul was only hallucinating, that's fine.
2. If you want to believe that Kang Seo Hae actually time traveled again just to be with Han Tae Sul -- but there is no Season 2 (no new story), it's a "and they lived happily ever after", that's fine too.
3. If you want to believe that Kang Seo Hae time traveled not only to be with Han Tae Sul but because there is a new problem (new story) , that's fine too.
In case you think it's #3 ending, the possibility of a "Season 2" always lies with the producers, the writers, the availability of the actors, and budget.
This is the other reason why it is open-ended. If ever the stars align for a Season 2, they can easily connect it with Season 1. If the stars won't align for a Season 2, then at least they gave the audience the freedom to choose the ending they want.
In creative writing there are two rules we live by: [1] show don't tell; and [2] if a scene does not move the story forward, delete it.
By those two rules, it means that every scene showed in Episode 15 and Episode 16 (the two most important episodes) all matters.
For example, the scene wherein Seo Hae's father checked his jacket's pockets before giving his jacket to 2020-Sigma was very important. Normally, just removing his jacket is fine but they took care in showing how he checked his pockets. Why?
The answer to that is what was 2020-Sigma holding when he got home? A notebook filled with all the names of the people involved in time travel and the relationships between those people. 2020-Sigma can not possibly have made all the connections and discovered who's who. Han Tae Sul himself can not even figure out who Sigma is even after all the clues were dropped.
Whose notebook was it then? Who wrote it all? The jacket owner. Seo Hae's father forgot that he put his notebook in one of his jacket's many pockets and that landed in the hands of 2020-Sigma when he "rescued" him.
FAQ:Q1: Was Han Tae Sul hallucinating like how he was hallucinating his brother talking to him?Q2: If Han Tae…
Updated.
I added the following additional realizations:
------- I'm not sure if I already mentioned this in passing but I think the proof that the uploader was eventually developed lies with what Han Tae Sul said before he shot himself.
Paraphrasing: Find me. No matter what it takes. Find me. No matter when. Find me.
Han Tae Sul is a very intelligent person. He constantly calculates everything in his mind. He is not perfect, he does make mistakes but throughout the series, he is a man who will never choose the world over the Kang Seo Hae. He was very constant with that choice, always Seo Hae.
For him to shoot himself, it means he is very sure that the uploader will be developed and Seo Hae will again time travel.
Follow-up question: Why would he tell Seo Hae to find him when she was dying and going to disappear? There are two approaches here. Let's discuss the first.
First approach: Seo Hae is dying -- forget about the fact that she disappeared. Tae Sul was talking to her because when she die, she'll be dead. She will be buried. The next future Seo Hae will find her bones or ashes and acquire all her memories. Indirectly, Tae Sul was talking to the next Seo Hae "Find me. No matter what it takes. Find Me. No matter when. Find me."
However, since the writer is amazing, they did not choose the easy path in their story. Instead of Seo Hae simply dying and buried, she disappeared! Without a body, bones, ashes, the next Seo Hae will never have any memories. In other words, she will never know what Tae Sul said.
This is where we come to the second approach.
Second approach: Seo Hae died and then she disappeared. Han Tae Sul told her to find him to give "our" Seo Hae (the one we watched die) to tell her that there is still hope and the next Seo Hae will still use the uploader. It was a comfort for Seo Hae. Even Seo Hae finally understood what he was saying. Obviously, first she finally understood that he's going to kill himself but let's not forget Seo Hae is intelligent too because that is her character, she also understood there is going to be another chance.
What is it about Tae Sul saying he "saw" it up to that point? He did not "see" it literally. He did not "see" it from the ashes of the previous Tae Sul. What he meant was, he calculated (or planned) everything and he knew Eddie Kim will come for them.
Let's go back to that scene wherein they were about to attempt to go back in time, they saw Eddie Kim, remember? When Seo Hae was about to follow him, Tae Sul stopped her and told her that he is probably going to the surface and it will only be a waste of time.
Here's a question, why would it be a waste of time when they have a time machine? They could've stopped Eddie Kim, even kill him. Then come back to the machine and travel back to shoot Sigma. So why did Tae Sul stop her and said it will only be a waste of time?
The answer to that is because Tae Sul already "saw" or to be exact, "calculated" everything. He pre-planned and it is the only way he found to ensure that Seo Hae will always have a chance to go back in time. That was his plan all along.
Remember, he always chooses the girl or Seo Hae.
If they stopped or killed Eddie Kim, then once they killed Sigma, Seo Hae will disappear. Remember that scene? But instead because of Eddie Kim, Seo Hae stopped disappearing. That in itself is a clue. It opened up a possibility wherein Eddie was able to force Tae Sul to give the code to the uploader, this was why Seo Hae stopped disappearing.
Tae Sul need this very moment to do the last and most important piece of his plan. He entered in the code but time locked it and probably included other conditions. Once that was done, it was time to shoot himself.
And we go back to that moment when Tae Sul said to Seo Hae, "Find me. No matter what it takes. Find me. No matter when. Find me." He was telling Seo Hae not to despair because they will meet again. Because the other Seo Hae will have a chance to use the uploader again.
Final question: Why would Seo Hae use the uploader again? Her diary. Tae Sul planned for her diary to reach the adult Seo Hae. He probably wrote there "Find me. No matter what it takes. Find me. No matter when. Find me."
Even if we remove the possibility that Tae Sul, in any way, planned something for her diary, the diary will still naturally find its way to Seo Hae which would make her curious about the uploader and the man named Han Tae Sul. -------
Someone needs to correct the schedule. I can't find information on the schedule … anyway … * Episode 3 was made available for free users of official streaming sites yesterday (Friday) * Episode 4 is already available for Premium/Paid subscribers today in official streaming sites (Saturday).
To help with the confusion -- at least this is how I understood it, I might be wrong:* Dramaworld was originally…
From the preview at the end of episode 3, the new Dramaworld in-universe drama is action. Seth found a way to return and his mission is to change the rules, he figured out it is possible.
To help with the confusion -- at least this is how I understood it, I might be wrong: * Dramaworld was originally a short-form live-action show. When the license to stream it changed hands, it was turned into a long-form format. It means, instead of 15-20 minutes per episode, it is now 45 minutes per episode. * "Dramaworld 2" is indeed "Dramaworld 2", however, they started it with "Dramaworld 1". It's not a exactly a recap but it is. Only the important scenes were included so they can compress "Dramaworld 1" into 3 45-minute episodes. * The real Dramaworld 2 will start in episode 4.
Based on the revelations in Episode 15:1. There is only one timeline.1.1: Everytime the story repeats, they are…
No need to apologize ^_^ It's why we're having a discussion, to share and figure out the puzzles together.
Yeah, I'm wondering about that too. The time traveler Sigma just disappeared and never showed up in the 2035 time frame of Seo Hae. The only Sigma there is the "young Sigma" who is about to travel back in time.
You know, now that you asked, there was a scene in 2035 (shown in episode 15) wherein "young Sigma" was laughing and his dialogue was "hahaha, I m ade Tae Sul choose between the world and the girl".
That has been bugging me because it doesn't make sense the "young Sigma" would feel so attached to it because it is yet to happen for him. Then Seo Hae approached him and "young Sigma" said "oh, it's you" (or something like that).
What if … the old Sigma who survived eventually died. Since he's dead, the "young Sigma" can touch his bones/body/ashes which resulted in him acquiring all the knowledge of that dead old Sigma.
It could explain why he made that comment "I made Tae Sul choose between the world and the girl" because he was remembering something from the old Sigma.
It would also explain why he knows everything without checking the history records the Control Bureau wrote. Also in Episode 16, the current Sigma "remembered" "Ooh, you are not wearing a wedding dress" because that was the memory of the old Sigma.
Also, that "wedding dress" would not be in the Control Bureau report because the church scene, the C.B. already ended … they all went home because their mission was complete.
Yeah. That's probably the case. Sigma himself never relied on the C.B. reports, he acquired the memories of the old Sigma, which would also explain why all his actions in the future is consistent -- sending the missiles, letting Seo Hae use the uploader, setting up Seo Hae and Tae Sul to fall in love, and so on.
LOLs, The writer is really good! They didn't tackle it in the show directly, they only left breadcrumbs.
Based on the revelations in Episode 15:1. There is only one timeline.1.1: Everytime the story repeats, they are…
That's true but in episode 15, it was revealed that he first traveled to the past only in 2035.
First, he sent the missiles to 2020. Then, as he promised, he was the first human to use the uploader. Then he was followed by the advance team. Then the other people (volunteers, etc.) Then Seo Hae. Then who knows who else after her.
Maybe he is indeed 75 already or his aging stopped or something.
However, Park (Asia Mart) looks the same in his 2020-version and the 2035-version. Assuming that as being part of the advance team he probably was sent in 2001, that is still 20 years added and yet he did not "aged" in any obvious way.
It's not possible to explain how Sigma was there in the uploader center when Seo Hae and her father arrived. As the series established, time travel is one way, there's no coming back. Also, the Sigma that Seo Hae first met in 2035 did look younger in appearance.
Personally, I think the "age appearance" was a make-up error. Or they probably changed things along the way (like the years they went back to or originally came from).
so you're telling me the way to stop everything was just for ML to kill himself?!
It is the solution since Episode 1 ;) But the thing is, it is not as simple as that.
If you are not going for "Han Tae Sul was hallucinating Seo Hae in the airplane" then it means even after he killed himself, the uploader was eventually still created.
Challenging ourselves to new things every day gave us strength and courage. It doesn't matter even if you collapse or fail every day. When that happens, tell yourself this: "You're doing well. "You're the most magnificent star in your life. "That is, if you refuse to give up "and get back on your feet once again."
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LOLs, time to rewatch the first three episodes. Haha.
Re: original release, what sazousa said. :D
They just need to keep a way for a possible new season, that way if they ever decide to go back to a series, there is an option to continue it instead of rebooting it. They are so good in writing stories but not so in establishing a franchise and a cult following.
Normally it would have been because of licensing deals. But the absense of an IMDB and Wikipedia entries doesn't make sense when the series officially aired and streamed in 2020. It would have at least some presence in these two websites.
Thirdly, anyone from Asia can watch the series for free in the official streaming site of the production company. Fourth, one of the supporting actress was the leader of the K-Pop / SG-Pop group SKarf. But literally no one talked about the show for a year until it premiered this month.
If anything, this is probably the same case with Dramaworld 2. Some restriction or embargo or something.
I hope it helps.
I want to rewrite it all but I'm feeling lazy, so pardon if it's too long.
Enjoy!
1. If you want to believe that Han Tae Sul was only hallucinating, that's fine.
2. If you want to believe that Kang Seo Hae actually time traveled again just to be with Han Tae Sul -- but there is no Season 2 (no new story), it's a "and they lived happily ever after", that's fine too.
3. If you want to believe that Kang Seo Hae time traveled not only to be with Han Tae Sul but because there is a new problem (new story) , that's fine too.
In case you think it's #3 ending, the possibility of a "Season 2" always lies with the producers, the writers, the availability of the actors, and budget.
This is the other reason why it is open-ended. If ever the stars align for a Season 2, they can easily connect it with Season 1. If the stars won't align for a Season 2, then at least they gave the audience the freedom to choose the ending they want.
^_^
I hope it helps. ^_^
^_^
By those two rules, it means that every scene showed in Episode 15 and Episode 16 (the two most important episodes) all matters.
For example, the scene wherein Seo Hae's father checked his jacket's pockets before giving his jacket to 2020-Sigma was very important. Normally, just removing his jacket is fine but they took care in showing how he checked his pockets. Why?
The answer to that is what was 2020-Sigma holding when he got home? A notebook filled with all the names of the people involved in time travel and the relationships between those people. 2020-Sigma can not possibly have made all the connections and discovered who's who. Han Tae Sul himself can not even figure out who Sigma is even after all the clues were dropped.
Whose notebook was it then? Who wrote it all? The jacket owner. Seo Hae's father forgot that he put his notebook in one of his jacket's many pockets and that landed in the hands of 2020-Sigma when he "rescued" him.
I compiled the explanations I've given here in the comments in this discussion thread: https://kisskh.at/discussions/sisyphus-the-myth/61271-explanation-to-what-happened-in-episode-16
I hope it helps. ^_^
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I added the following additional realizations:
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I'm not sure if I already mentioned this in passing but I think the proof that the uploader was eventually developed lies with what Han Tae Sul said before he shot himself.
Paraphrasing: Find me. No matter what it takes. Find me. No matter when. Find me.
Han Tae Sul is a very intelligent person. He constantly calculates everything in his mind. He is not perfect, he does make mistakes but throughout the series, he is a man who will never choose the world over the Kang Seo Hae. He was very constant with that choice, always Seo Hae.
For him to shoot himself, it means he is very sure that the uploader will be developed and Seo Hae will again time travel.
Follow-up question: Why would he tell Seo Hae to find him when she was dying and going to disappear?
There are two approaches here. Let's discuss the first.
First approach: Seo Hae is dying -- forget about the fact that she disappeared. Tae Sul was talking to her because when she die, she'll be dead. She will be buried. The next future Seo Hae will find her bones or ashes and acquire all her memories. Indirectly, Tae Sul was talking to the next Seo Hae "Find me. No matter what it takes. Find Me. No matter when. Find me."
However, since the writer is amazing, they did not choose the easy path in their story. Instead of Seo Hae simply dying and buried, she disappeared! Without a body, bones, ashes, the next Seo Hae will never have any memories. In other words, she will never know what Tae Sul said.
This is where we come to the second approach.
Second approach: Seo Hae died and then she disappeared. Han Tae Sul told her to find him to give "our" Seo Hae (the one we watched die) to tell her that there is still hope and the next Seo Hae will still use the uploader. It was a comfort for Seo Hae. Even Seo Hae finally understood what he was saying. Obviously, first she finally understood that he's going to kill himself but let's not forget Seo Hae is intelligent too because that is her character, she also understood there is going to be another chance.
What is it about Tae Sul saying he "saw" it up to that point? He did not "see" it literally. He did not "see" it from the ashes of the previous Tae Sul. What he meant was, he calculated (or planned) everything and he knew Eddie Kim will come for them.
Let's go back to that scene wherein they were about to attempt to go back in time, they saw Eddie Kim, remember? When Seo Hae was about to follow him, Tae Sul stopped her and told her that he is probably going to the surface and it will only be a waste of time.
Here's a question, why would it be a waste of time when they have a time machine? They could've stopped Eddie Kim, even kill him. Then come back to the machine and travel back to shoot Sigma. So why did Tae Sul stop her and said it will only be a waste of time?
The answer to that is because Tae Sul already "saw" or to be exact, "calculated" everything. He pre-planned and it is the only way he found to ensure that Seo Hae will always have a chance to go back in time. That was his plan all along.
Remember, he always chooses the girl or Seo Hae.
If they stopped or killed Eddie Kim, then once they killed Sigma, Seo Hae will disappear. Remember that scene? But instead because of Eddie Kim, Seo Hae stopped disappearing. That in itself is a clue. It opened up a possibility wherein Eddie was able to force Tae Sul to give the code to the uploader, this was why Seo Hae stopped disappearing.
Tae Sul need this very moment to do the last and most important piece of his plan. He entered in the code but time locked it and probably included other conditions. Once that was done, it was time to shoot himself.
And we go back to that moment when Tae Sul said to Seo Hae, "Find me. No matter what it takes. Find me. No matter when. Find me." He was telling Seo Hae not to despair because they will meet again. Because the other Seo Hae will have a chance to use the uploader again.
Final question: Why would Seo Hae use the uploader again?
Her diary. Tae Sul planned for her diary to reach the adult Seo Hae. He probably wrote there "Find me. No matter what it takes. Find me. No matter when. Find me."
Even if we remove the possibility that Tae Sul, in any way, planned something for her diary, the diary will still naturally find its way to Seo Hae which would make her curious about the uploader and the man named Han Tae Sul.
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^_^
* Episode 3 was made available for free users of official streaming sites yesterday (Friday)
* Episode 4 is already available for Premium/Paid subscribers today in official streaming sites (Saturday).
Seth found a way to return and his mission is to change the rules, he figured out it is possible.
* Dramaworld was originally a short-form live-action show. When the license to stream it changed hands, it was turned into a long-form format. It means, instead of 15-20 minutes per episode, it is now 45 minutes per episode.
* "Dramaworld 2" is indeed "Dramaworld 2", however, they started it with "Dramaworld 1". It's not a exactly a recap but it is. Only the important scenes were included so they can compress "Dramaworld 1" into 3 45-minute episodes.
* The real Dramaworld 2 will start in episode 4.
Yeah, I'm wondering about that too. The time traveler Sigma just disappeared and never showed up in the 2035 time frame of Seo Hae. The only Sigma there is the "young Sigma" who is about to travel back in time.
You know, now that you asked, there was a scene in 2035 (shown in episode 15) wherein "young Sigma" was laughing and his dialogue was "hahaha, I m ade Tae Sul choose between the world and the girl".
That has been bugging me because it doesn't make sense the "young Sigma" would feel so attached to it because it is yet to happen for him. Then Seo Hae approached him and "young Sigma" said "oh, it's you" (or something like that).
What if … the old Sigma who survived eventually died. Since he's dead, the "young Sigma" can touch his bones/body/ashes which resulted in him acquiring all the knowledge of that dead old Sigma.
It could explain why he made that comment "I made Tae Sul choose between the world and the girl" because he was remembering something from the old Sigma.
It would also explain why he knows everything without checking the history records the Control Bureau wrote. Also in Episode 16, the current Sigma "remembered" "Ooh, you are not wearing a wedding dress" because that was the memory of the old Sigma.
Also, that "wedding dress" would not be in the Control Bureau report because the church scene, the C.B. already ended … they all went home because their mission was complete.
Yeah. That's probably the case. Sigma himself never relied on the C.B. reports, he acquired the memories of the old Sigma, which would also explain why all his actions in the future is consistent -- sending the missiles, letting Seo Hae use the uploader, setting up Seo Hae and Tae Sul to fall in love, and so on.
LOLs, The writer is really good! They didn't tackle it in the show directly, they only left breadcrumbs.
First, he sent the missiles to 2020.
Then, as he promised, he was the first human to use the uploader.
Then he was followed by the advance team.
Then the other people (volunteers, etc.)
Then Seo Hae.
Then who knows who else after her.
Maybe he is indeed 75 already or his aging stopped or something.
However, Park (Asia Mart) looks the same in his 2020-version and the 2035-version. Assuming that as being part of the advance team he probably was sent in 2001, that is still 20 years added and yet he did not "aged" in any obvious way.
It's not possible to explain how Sigma was there in the uploader center when Seo Hae and her father arrived. As the series established, time travel is one way, there's no coming back. Also, the Sigma that Seo Hae first met in 2035 did look younger in appearance.
Personally, I think the "age appearance" was a make-up error. Or they probably changed things along the way (like the years they went back to or originally came from).
^_^
If you are not going for "Han Tae Sul was hallucinating Seo Hae in the airplane" then it means even after he killed himself, the uploader was eventually still created.
I explained the different scenarios here:
* https://kisskh.at/43827-sisyphus-the-myth#comment-5794471
* https://kisskh.at/43827-sisyphus-the-myth#comment-5802889
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* https://kisskh.at/43827-sisyphus-the-myth#comment-5794471
* https://kisskh.at/43827-sisyphus-the-myth#comment-5802889
^_^
It doesn't matter even if you collapse or fail every day.
When that happens, tell yourself this:
"You're doing well.
"You're the most magnificent star in your life.
"That is, if you refuse to give up
"and get back on your feet once again."