Oh that theme of the tea was so brilliant! So subtle and telling it all. I love it!ML passed the tea test :) And…
Yep. The tea was a very nice, thoughtful, and deep touch. It's rare to see this approach these days, especially that scene where it focused on the tea. It was so perfect. You can see the unspoken words there as well as makes it easier to relate to that short but significant "deep" talk.
So now woo tae shik is really dead? Cause since that episode i thought he didn't die but no sign of him till now…
Don't rely on "Main Role", especially not in MDL and other similar sites. Those "roles" are ambiguous to begin with. They actually should remove those or use different labels.
Also, when we try to correct it based on the actual show, they often deny the edits. 🤷🏽
This isn't the first time someone was tagged as Main Role but only had a total of 120 minutes or less exposure. 🤪 And someone tagged as a guest who had 140 minutes total exposure.
uuuugh you are dangerously thinking like the parents - the little kid is NOT dead weight, honey. It is a CHILD.…
He is not thinking that way. He is trying to make sense of the messy scenes. And to add, he was originally hunting the kid.
To the OP, the entire scenes from.the shootout to the ending are nothing but an attempt to illicit emotions because they ran outf ideas. Nothing whatsoever made any sense.
They're in their 20s but at that moment they're acting like 10-year olds. They trained to kill but they never used that training. There were multiple gunshots but the 1FL didn't care. They poured gas all around them, but they alu ignored them. She gave him the death stare while everything burns.
It can't be attributed to shock because she was clearly not in shock. She's actually very composed too. She didn't lashed out.
It was the lowest form in this series.
At least the other guy died valiantly, he stood and fought. He realized, "enough is enough, it's time to fight back". The rest of them? They need to wake up. Do they really want to live? Then kill or be killed.
Stand up and fight.
That's what happens when all they do is.be a pacifist and cry tears and be emotional. There's a proper time for mourning, when no one wants them dead.
This is what happen when you don't kill the bad guy when you had a chance.
Exactly. They wasted their training.
They're supposed to be: 1. In their 20s 2. Trained to kill 3. Fighting for their lives
But nope. Don't kill anyone even if they're shooting at you or swinging and stabbing knives. 🤷🏽
Someone even shouted, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO US?!
Yuhoo. You should've known that already at this point? They see you as nothing but products, defective ones at that. In other words, they're evil people.
If they want to play the psychological/mental card, they should've done so from the start. At this point, it's just an excuse to illicit emotions because they ran out of ideas.
I knew the detective was going to be useless and the man did not disappoint. 🙄
Which detective are you talking about?
Are you talking about the detective who contacted the defects?
1. He did not "show" his evidence to the bad guy. The one who did that was another detective who took photos of the files the FL gave him.
2. He did not leak anything. Remember, he is trying to help them by solving the case.
3. He did not die of a car crash. The goon leader pressed a remote and the detective's car exploded.
4. The goon leader not shooting them was the silliest excuse to ensure the defects remain alive. The entire scenes from that point was laughable.
They ignored the shooter to cry and shout. They ignored the goons pouring gas around them so they can continue crying and shouting. The 1FL stared fiercely at the goons leader as if her death stare can kill him. All the while, everyone continued crying and shouting while everything burns around them, and they're not feeling the heat.
Absolutely nothing made any sense from the shooting to the ending.
The goon leader was like, "Are you f*** kidding me? They're ignoring me?! I'm holding a gun! I shot them!"
"Hey, pour gas everywhere around them. Just ignore them. They're in a different world right now. They won't see you."
Basically, they created those dumb scenes in an attempt to illicit an emotional response. They made the characters in their 20s act like they're 10 year old kids. 🤷🏽
E06 was overacting. 😅 They just created the scene for the sake of, "let's make them cry".
They're in their 20s, and here's what they did: 1. Cried and shouted while knowing there's someone with a gun 2. Cried and shouted while the watch the goons pour gas everywhere 3. Cried and shouted while everything burns around them 4. Stared at the goons with very piercing eyes that can kill a million soldiers — figuratively while everything is about to come crashing down on their heads
Oh wait. They didn't feel the heat?
Wait! He's freaking dead!
It takes time to pour gas in that building. And it takes time before things start to crash down. Yet the final scene, it was all about to crash on their heads.
So, let's see,they cried and shouted for 10 to 15 minutes?
And she stared at the goons for 5 minutes.
Finally, another 10 minutes before everything starts to finally give in because of the heat?
They were in the middle of all that fire and beat for 15 minutes?
30 minutes and they did what?
It's okay if they are in their early teens or younger. But in their 20s?
Wait! There's more!
"WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO US?!"
Hellooooooooooo. You still don't know? Seriously? Like, you know, they see you as a product. A defective product. Your parents are evil people. You already know that.
Wait. We're not done! If you young adults fought to survive, you would've killed already. In an ambush like that where they're there to obviously kill you, you still refused to kill.
You are young adults. You were trained to fight. To shoot guns to kill. You wasted all that training. Act like any other person in their 20s fighting for their survival.
I guess your desire to live is zero.
At least that guy who held a knife died valiantly. He finally fought back. He finally stood his ground. He learned that the time for emotions and tears are over. It's fight or die.
Be like him.
Stand up. Fight for your lives. Kill or be killed.
I wanted to drop it in the first 15 minutes of the first episode. First impressions in FL are not good. I decided…
> they are supposed to fight for justice
Ahh, no.
Being a lawyer does not mean you're supposed to fight for justice. I've told numerous times during formal education and assessments that I should take law and become a lawyer. The reason I did not is because I do not want to handle cases that I disagree with but will be forced to take or I'll lose my job or clients.
A lawyer's job is not to fight for justice. A lawyer's job is win the case of their client regardless if it aligns with their personal principles and social expectations or not.
If they're assigned to defend an undeniable criminal, their job is to ensure their client wins or gets the best out of it.
Secondly, their team is litigation.
The job of the litigation team is to file cases left and right. To sue. Again, it doesn't matter if it's for justice. If a client wants to sue someone even if it was clear the client was in the wrong, they still have to do it if the case was taken by the firm.
Third. The show is half office drama. For real. Every office always have a drama, especially when it comes to inter-department relationship. It is not unrealistic even in a law firm, especially when there's an @$$ in position or a member acting one because of their backer.
"Unprofessional"? Sure. I agree with that. But again, not standing up for what is right because arguing is unprofessionalism? Yet you want them to fight for justice? Shouldn't it start in their own house before they do it for others?
If they won't stand stand for the injustice inside their own law firm because it's unprofessionalism, what gives them the right to fight for justice for others?
I seriously doubt MDL users are fansubbers. Probably only 0.5% are. 🤪Besides, fansubbing is two parts:1. The…
If it helps, join the OpenSubtitles community and ask them about it. Someone might volunteer.
Those who submit opensubtitles are usually in it for experience and fun. So, if they know this show is worth their volunteer time, you might get a lot of human translors and subs.
The English subtitles in many k-dramas are getting worse. It seems like the people writing them either don't know…
Subtitles that confuses English pronouns are machine translations.
Machine translations, even the Neural translator versions, can rarely get the correct English pronouns when translating from Asian languages, because majority of Asian languages use plural pronouns and gender-neutral pronouns, if any (some rarely use pronouns, you have to call by name or position).
Even AI-based translators, which is supposedly better than Neural translators, fails miserably in this aspect.
Unfortunately, fansubbers who use machine, neural, or AI translators, rarely bother correcting it even though it's obvious in many cases.
I don't know how they do timing these days. In the 90s and 00s, we manually watch and adjust the timing of subtitles. So, we know if the translation provided to us were incorrect or weird (especially the nuances), and we're free to adjust it if necessary, or consult back with the translators.
Maybe today even the timing it automated that's why they have no idea there were incorrect translations and weird parts, especially when it comes to nuances. 🖖🏽
Esquire is a perfect English title, and it was explained in E01 how esquire is used in law firms in the West.Netflix…
Or, maybe their target audience is the West?
But that's weird because their highest Kdrama consumption comes from Asian countries. 🤔 And often, a Kdrama is topping in multiple Asian Netflix rankings weeks before it starts to chart in the West, in particular the US.
Esquire is a perfect English title, and it was explained in E01 how esquire is used in law firms in the West.
Netflix being d Netflix, they once again ruined a perfect title. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean, "Beyond the Bar" doesn't even trigger an emotional response and curiosity. Oh wait, it does! "Just Another Law Drama" or JALD for short. 🤣🤣🤣 If I wasn't interested in law, I wouldn't even bother to check.
But hey, that's just me.
P.s. To be clear, I'm referring to shows with a perfect title in English already provided and to shows with a perfect title in another language that only needs to be translated. But instead they give it a new title which often, not always, is so detached to the show's story or sets a different expectation which leads to disappointment.
10 minutes in and I'm a bit off. Wouldn't be better if she had tugged her shirt outside the door before come into…
Based on the hint on why she was late and how she got there, she was already pushing her focus and worry too much, everything else was sidelined.
It does happen to everyone when ie that mental state. Even us autistics who usually have the most rigid "checks" can experience that.
So, yes, that was a perfect scene to depict how important it was for her and how much she acknowledged her mistake. Indirectly, it painted the picture that she is a person who:
1. thinks a lot 2. can easily give an extreme focus on something 3. acknowledges her mistake if she did make a mistake
Which, if you watched the rest of the episode, and episode 02, has proven exactly those qualities hinted during her tuck-in mishap and being late.
The lead actress is the biological one , the new one is the adopted one, since she she's quite smart and comes…
Ooh, I love that!
It does make it that AH1 is capable of ranking 1st but she prefers to have meaningful human relationships than defining the world as a competiton.
That opens up a lot of deeper implications and topics. Sweet!
In many fiction, it's often explored that for a race to achieve the next technological leap without intervention from an advanced race, they have to remove their emotions so they can focus on intelligence and logic. After that, society must encourage competition (instead of wars) because it pushes the boundaries.
But in this show, and as you've explained, it's exploring how we can be highly intelligent, wise, and logical, without sacrificing emotions and meaningful relationships. That there's no need to make society promoti competition because we'll push the boundaries regardless.
I definitely love that. A different take on how humanity can reach its next evolution.
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Ahh, "depth", I was looking for that word.
Also, when we try to correct it based on the actual show, they often deny the edits. 🤷🏽
This isn't the first time someone was tagged as Main Role but only had a total of 120 minutes or less exposure. 🤪 And someone tagged as a guest who had 140 minutes total exposure.
To the OP, the entire scenes from.the shootout to the ending are nothing but an attempt to illicit emotions because they ran outf ideas. Nothing whatsoever made any sense.
They're in their 20s but at that moment they're acting like 10-year olds.
They trained to kill but they never used that training.
There were multiple gunshots but the 1FL didn't care.
They poured gas all around them, but they alu ignored them.
She gave him the death stare while everything burns.
It can't be attributed to shock because she was clearly not in shock. She's actually very composed too. She didn't lashed out.
It was the lowest form in this series.
At least the other guy died valiantly, he stood and fought. He realized, "enough is enough, it's time to fight back". The rest of them? They need to wake up. Do they really want to live? Then kill or be killed.
Stand up and fight.
That's what happens when all they do is.be a pacifist and cry tears and be emotional. There's a proper time for mourning, when no one wants them dead.
They're supposed to be:
1. In their 20s
2. Trained to kill
3. Fighting for their lives
But nope. Don't kill anyone even if they're shooting at you or swinging and stabbing knives. 🤷🏽
Someone even shouted, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO US?!
Yuhoo. You should've known that already at this point? They see you as nothing but products, defective ones at that. In other words, they're evil people.
If they want to play the psychological/mental card, they should've done so from the start. At this point, it's just an excuse to illicit emotions because they ran out of ideas.
Are you talking about the detective who contacted the defects?
1. He did not "show" his evidence to the bad guy. The one who did that was another detective who took photos of the files the FL gave him.
2. He did not leak anything. Remember, he is trying to help them by solving the case.
3. He did not die of a car crash. The goon leader pressed a remote and the detective's car exploded.
4. The goon leader not shooting them was the silliest excuse to ensure the defects remain alive. The entire scenes from that point was laughable.
They ignored the shooter to cry and shout.
They ignored the goons pouring gas around them so they can continue crying and shouting.
The 1FL stared fiercely at the goons leader as if her death stare can kill him.
All the while, everyone continued crying and shouting while everything burns around them, and they're not feeling the heat.
Absolutely nothing made any sense from the shooting to the ending.
The goon leader was like, "Are you f*** kidding me? They're ignoring me?! I'm holding a gun! I shot them!"
"Hey, pour gas everywhere around them. Just ignore them. They're in a different world right now. They won't see you."
Basically, they created those dumb scenes in an attempt to illicit an emotional response. They made the characters in their 20s act like they're 10 year old kids. 🤷🏽
They're in their 20s, and here's what they did:
1. Cried and shouted while knowing there's someone with a gun
2. Cried and shouted while the watch the goons pour gas everywhere
3. Cried and shouted while everything burns around them
4. Stared at the goons with very piercing eyes that can kill a million soldiers — figuratively while everything is about to come crashing down on their heads
Oh wait. They didn't feel the heat?
Wait! He's freaking dead!
It takes time to pour gas in that building. And it takes time before things start to crash down. Yet the final scene, it was all about to crash on their heads.
So, let's see,they cried and shouted for 10 to 15 minutes?
And she stared at the goons for 5 minutes.
Finally, another 10 minutes before everything starts to finally give in because of the heat?
They were in the middle of all that fire and beat for 15 minutes?
30 minutes and they did what?
It's okay if they are in their early teens or younger. But in their 20s?
Wait! There's more!
"WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO US?!"
Hellooooooooooo. You still don't know? Seriously? Like, you know, they see you as a product. A defective product. Your parents are evil people. You already know that.
Wait. We're not done! If you young adults fought to survive, you would've killed already. In an ambush like that where they're there to obviously kill you, you still refused to kill.
You are young adults. You were trained to fight. To shoot guns to kill. You wasted all that training. Act like any other person in their 20s fighting for their survival.
I guess your desire to live is zero.
At least that guy who held a knife died valiantly. He finally fought back. He finally stood his ground. He learned that the time for emotions and tears are over. It's fight or die.
Be like him.
Stand up. Fight for your lives. Kill or be killed.
Ahh, no.
Being a lawyer does not mean you're supposed to fight for justice. I've told numerous times during formal education and assessments that I should take law and become a lawyer. The reason I did not is because I do not want to handle cases that I disagree with but will be forced to take or I'll lose my job or clients.
A lawyer's job is not to fight for justice. A lawyer's job is win the case of their client regardless if it aligns with their personal principles and social expectations or not.
If they're assigned to defend an undeniable criminal, their job is to ensure their client wins or gets the best out of it.
Secondly, their team is litigation.
The job of the litigation team is to file cases left and right. To sue. Again, it doesn't matter if it's for justice. If a client wants to sue someone even if it was clear the client was in the wrong, they still have to do it if the case was taken by the firm.
Third. The show is half office drama. For real. Every office always have a drama, especially when it comes to inter-department relationship. It is not unrealistic even in a law firm, especially when there's an @$$ in position or a member acting one because of their backer.
"Unprofessional"? Sure. I agree with that. But again, not standing up for what is right because arguing is unprofessionalism? Yet you want them to fight for justice? Shouldn't it start in their own house before they do it for others?
If they won't stand stand for the injustice inside their own law firm because it's unprofessionalism, what gives them the right to fight for justice for others?
Those who submit opensubtitles are usually in it for experience and fun. So, if they know this show is worth their volunteer time, you might get a lot of human translors and subs.
But definitely not here in MDL.
Besides, fansubbing is two parts:
1. The translator
2. The timer/timing
Many can translate but few are willing. It's even fewer for timing the translations.
Machine translations, even the Neural translator versions, can rarely get the correct English pronouns when translating from Asian languages, because majority of Asian languages use plural pronouns and gender-neutral pronouns, if any (some rarely use pronouns, you have to call by name or position).
Even AI-based translators, which is supposedly better than Neural translators, fails miserably in this aspect.
Unfortunately, fansubbers who use machine, neural, or AI translators, rarely bother correcting it even though it's obvious in many cases.
I don't know how they do timing these days. In the 90s and 00s, we manually watch and adjust the timing of subtitles. So, we know if the translation provided to us were incorrect or weird (especially the nuances), and we're free to adjust it if necessary, or consult back with the translators.
Maybe today even the timing it automated that's why they have no idea there were incorrect translations and weird parts, especially when it comes to nuances.
🖖🏽
But that's weird because their highest Kdrama consumption comes from Asian countries. 🤔 And often, a Kdrama is topping in multiple Asian Netflix rankings weeks before it starts to chart in the West, in particular the US.
Netflix being d Netflix, they once again ruined a perfect title. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean, "Beyond the Bar" doesn't even trigger an emotional response and curiosity. Oh wait, it does! "Just Another Law Drama" or JALD for short. 🤣🤣🤣 If I wasn't interested in law, I wouldn't even bother to check.
But hey, that's just me.
P.s. To be clear, I'm referring to shows with a perfect title in English already provided and to shows with a perfect title in another language that only needs to be translated. But instead they give it a new title which often, not always, is so detached to the show's story or sets a different expectation which leads to disappointment.
It does happen to everyone when ie that mental state. Even us autistics who usually have the most rigid "checks" can experience that.
So, yes, that was a perfect scene to depict how important it was for her and how much she acknowledged her mistake. Indirectly, it painted the picture that she is a person who:
1. thinks a lot
2. can easily give an extreme focus on something
3. acknowledges her mistake if she did make a mistake
Which, if you watched the rest of the episode, and episode 02, has proven exactly those qualities hinted during her tuck-in mishap and being late.
😉
It does make it that AH1 is capable of ranking 1st but she prefers to have meaningful human relationships than defining the world as a competiton.
That opens up a lot of deeper implications and topics. Sweet!
In many fiction, it's often explored that for a race to achieve the next technological leap without intervention from an advanced race, they have to remove their emotions so they can focus on intelligence and logic. After that, society must encourage competition (instead of wars) because it pushes the boundaries.
But in this show, and as you've explained, it's exploring how we can be highly intelligent, wise, and logical, without sacrificing emotions and meaningful relationships. That there's no need to make society promoti competition because we'll push the boundaries regardless.
I definitely love that. A different take on how humanity can reach its next evolution.