Alki

Because I'm a human being and I like discussions even if I don't agree with someone? Because I have the right to discussions and to have an opinion that doesn't coincide with yours? Because maybe I'm open-minded enough to hear your pov and consider it instead of simply shutting it down? Idk, why did you feel the need to comment if you don't like it? But you still did. However, I'm not here to question your need to comment by saying 'oop, you find it lazy? we don't care, carry on, nobody asked'. Lol, nevermind. You're not someone that can calmly have a discussion.

Yeah, nobody said anything about historical dramas but if you paid enough attention to my words instead of being obsessed over the fact that you won't change your mind, you could read that I was referring to slice-of-life genres. And even historical dramas that have a slice-of-life sub-genre can be realistic. Not everything is about damsels and dragons in the Joseon era. There are still realistic, historical dramas. Sadly, that went over your head. You too, sleep well. Hope that next time you feel the need to comment, you consider that it's on a public space and therefore people can agree or disagree in case you didn't know how that works.

In my opinion, it's realistic, I wouldn't categorize it as lazy but that's my way of thinking. Then, some kdramas, jdramas or cdramas just aren't for you. When it comes to dramas, it all depends on the genre you choose. I opt for slice of life dramas so I prefer the realism over the fiction. So, I'd agree to disagree here! Have a good day!

I agree with what you're saying but the beautiful thing about dramas is the reality behind them. We either like it or not (I hate lack of communication too), there are people out there who think and act like that. Is it ethical when it comes to serious illnesses? Absolutely not, but it happens. Imho, dramas aren't always supposed to show people what should happen/the right thing. The beauty of dramas is that they portray people realistically whether we agree with their views and ethics or not. I think there are far too many dramas out there with a lack of communication trope because there are far too many people failing to communicate. The repetition of the genre is a mirror of humans.

Again...we do not know whether they talked. You're assuming again. Not all divorced couples talk even if kids are involved.

What do you mean a man would never have to face? Are we facing the same industry right now? Because if we are, do you want me to list disgusting and horrible theories that men had to face in the industry? General assumptions that the public just spit out? Please, let's get our facts straight before talking about this. Other than that, "never" isn't just reaching...it's grabbing it, flying on a cloud and throwing it from there to the ground.
I would never consider her the worst woman to ever live. I simply disagree and have the right to voice it. That's all. I don't agree with the ppl who say she's the worst woman to ever live either. There are far too many bad people out there. I would never categorize her as evil.

But you're not the voice of reason, Pinky. Some of the clear-cut words you choose are very biased. You use words as "never" when we clearly know that particular statement can do damage if you really believe it. I don't assume that things between them are simple at all. I too come from divorced parents. Nothing is simple about that. That's why the whole situation is super complicated to me!

I have no proof that she did either. So, it's based on what-ifs. The article claimed that at first, her husband was opposed but then said he'd support her. We don't know more and can't speculate more.

My opinion is surrounding what I have on me that I see shared in public. I would never talk according to MORE than that because I don't know. Why would I talk about conversations that likely happened behind closed doors that may not even have happened? These are assumptions still.

I would protect her if it was the other way around. People need to know about children, pregnancies, etc. Even if they're divorced. You can't just take that right away. Especially since y'all are divorced and he may not have a way to learn about her. I'm not demonizing her, no. That's a heavy use of the word. In no way am I portraying her as evil or wicked. I'm stating my opinion on her (well within my right) just like you do yours.

First of all, I'm glad he said he supports her but still, he had the right to know BEFORE she went public. This should have been a conversation behind closed doors before she tells the whole world.

"More than likely" tells me that you're biased because you keep assuming as if you were there. Truth is: you have no idea. The way you talk about the man in this situation and his "singular sperm" tells me all I need to know regarding on why you think this is okay. But...God forbid a man wants to know if he'll become a father without his initial consent or without being informed, right? Because she's giving birth and his opinion doesn't count?

She may not have forced him directly but what still stands is: she decided FOR him. And this is also HIS child. Even if you boil it down to just a "singular sperm".

Yes. It is awful that men dip, I agree. But that case is not this case. I'm not talking about the men who leave. We can't place them all in a sack just like we can't point the finger at one guy who wanted to be there and unload what the rest have done and go "Oh, cool but your opinion doesn't matter because...well...you just gave one sperm and there are a thousand men who leave." I hope you understand this line of thinking is very biased. And very awful about men who stay, want to be there but they were never asked or their opinion wasn't accounted for. Imagine if I talked like this about all women just because my ex-girlfriend betrayed me. So, let’s not diminish their role so easily just because women go through a much rougher stage when being pregnant.

Key sentence there: when they did the process. That was years ago. You may guarantee or assume that their clinic has a clause for divorce and death but she said it was without her ex husband's consent. Which apparently means he was either not notified or didn't agree with it. In both cases, it's highly confusing that you think this is "badass as fuck" just because she said she's going to not expect anything from him. If she doesn't expect anything from him, she shouldn't have used him in the first place. When you divorce someone, decisions change, the way you view things change, there should 10000% be a follow-up question on whether or not he still wants that. Otherwise, it's immoral.

I'm not saying a child being born is immoral, but he had a right to know considering she went ahead with it. He may want nothing to do with it, fine, but he still had to know. And it's very discouraging how people's admiration for a woman raising a baby independently overpowers the father's decision on the matter in this case.

And I don't want to be misunderstood, if he was okay with it or was notified, I wouldn't mind, GOOD FOR THEM. My problem isn't that they are divorced. My problem is that ppl have this "eh, the baby will be with its mother, who cares about him?" stance. Not every father wants to be absent, not every father walks away. But also, not every human being is okay with someone else deciding for them.

Ohhhh, I see! Okay, yes! Makes sense!

I wouldn't say copy-paste. The school was always used for so many kdramas, not just Revenge of Others. And the ending scene also reminded me of a scene from the kdrama Perfume. Overall, as you can understand, many kdramas are alike each other in some aspects. It makes sense, the production of kdramas is huge.

Undercover High School was such a comfort kdrama. The chemistry between Kangjoon and Kijoo is simply phenomenal. The behind the scenes, the interviews, how comfortable they seemed to be around each other just made me so happy. I can't wait for them to star alongside each other in the future again!

I don't understand how ppl berate and lead themselves to conclusions with so many questions lingering still. I side with neither because I don't have enough evidence and to me...GaroSero's and the family's statements aren't enough to berate. It's fishy. It's not clear-cut, it's very vague and knowing the history of SK with often destroying innocent people, I don't understand how y'all are not more cautious with who you condemn.

1. the picture KSR posted was found with metadata to be when she was overaged and not underaged. yes, metadata can change but that can mean that both the family and KSH can change them. meaning that particular evidence isn't clear cut. that other picture of them being super young still doesn't suggest anything romantic. they were both young professionals with their careers.
2. the letter he sent to her when he was in the military doesn't suggest a romantic/erotic tone. he talked about himself and a little existential crisis he had about the world and he spoke sweetly to her and said he misses her but that tone isn't one you use solely for a relationship. that's easily a letter i would send my best/childhood friend.
3. ppl blame KSH for her debt bc she sent him a message and he didn't respond but the agency said they alongside KSH reduced her debt and also, they were the ones who advised against responding to her. apart from that, having said that he helped reduce the debt (if that is true), he's not responsible for her.
4. a picture circulated of ALLEGEDLY KSH in her kitchen and he is naked from his lower half and down but a) we aren't seeing his face, b) it was never proven KSH had a shirt like that in his wardrobe c) why is there such a photo out there? why would anyone photograph their partner's behind while they're washing dishes? apart from that, let's say the parents found out about this photo after her death. how are they so sure it's him? because they saw the date? how are they certain the photo wasn't transferred from a computer during a different date from the one it was taken? why aren't we seeing the date of when it was taken but dates were convinient to them about other pictures?
5. is no one going to talk about the pictures KSR posted and deleted of her with a man and the caption: "marry" under them? and the fact a friend came out with alleged audios of KSR talking about her marriage and an abortion?
6. i've seen many people asking but i will too. where was the family when she was ALLEGEDLY groomed? even if she was madly in love with him, they were her guardians. they could at least file a restraining order. did they care about her image more than her being groomed? why? because she was the sole breadwinner?
7. why was she the sole breadwinner? she has 2 sisters. both actresses (from what i saw). KSR was born in 2000. she started her career around 2001. she was both a model and later on an actress. her DUI incident happened in 2022. so, for 21 years...(let's say 18-17 years if you count the years that maybe she didn't have a project), you mean to tell me that she didn't save? where did the money go? she was 1 year old. ONE. obviously, her parents were with her. they were the ones taking the money.
8. lastly, if her parents want to accuse someone, they should also air their own dirty laundry in the public. why aren't they taking this to court? are they afraid of what ppl will find out bc they will have to be transparent?

this isn't an open and shut case like those we usually see. but when y'all see ppl offing themselves when they're wrongfully accused, you don't learn. what about the ppl who get wrongfully accused and live and are never the same again? financially, mentally, physically even. with nothing but a stigma? you call KSH a wolf in sheep's clothing as if you ever knew who he was. as if any celebrity won't sell their soul to maintain an innocent persona. you were bullying KSR to no end while she was alive for her DUI. where were her parents then to plead with ppl to not badmouth their daughter? to stand up for her like they do now?

yes, you can say goldmedalist is lying about everything. there is NO proof her parents aren't lying either. take this to court.

honestly, in my opinion, i prefer having minjun make a desperate move because he was in love with her, knowing it is only realistic and sometimes, people break because of love and they protect the people they love because of love than have someone like jungo who ignored her calls, wouldn't reply to her texts, wouldn't put enough effort in learning her language and generally move on in front of her and not with her. minjun is the depiction of "i gave you 10 and he gave you 20. you thought he was better. but he had 200. and all i had was 10." if she didn't reciprocate his feelings, then it isn't really his fault. she's an adult, she could have broken up way before jungo entered her life again. but no, she was getting comfortable with being somewhere she was very loved and minjun was happy with what he had. so, yes. i agree with you that she shouldn't have dated minjun. but in no way is it minjun's fault as well. just because he put himself in that position doesn't mean that the pain lessens. if anything, hong could be a lesson to minjun that he should settle for nothing less than what he's giving.

Let's not beat around the bush and pretend there truly aren't people out there who think the same way as her. The fact that she communicated it, imho, doesn't make it unnecessary. It makes it far too realistic. Someone has to step forward and talk boldly about the way some people (in power as well) think. And if k-dramas can show misogyny, androgyny, abortions, and anything else controversial, I think it would be hypocritical to pick and choose what can or cannot be said. It's about time someone speaks about the cruelty of some people in the world and it is showcased in villains (yes, we know the cruelty exists but k-dramas don't touch these topics that should be talked about with a 6-foot pole). This comment was very necessary. It shows how vile and awful she is. She's a villain. It's crystal clear. It wouldn't be realistic to expect her words to be watered down. She's supposed to make people uncomfortable. That analogy by the writers simply added more disgust to her character. It's not like the writers broke the 4th wall and became racists. I think they just wanted to show how awful people truly think that way and she voiced her thoughts behind closed doors. Imagine there are many who voice them publicly.

Seokjin is a 0/10 for Jimin and Bohyun would have been a 10/10 if the writers didn't ruin his character altogether. The twist made no sense to me. I feel like they made him the bad guy just to make a twist in the series but it worked so badly.

If we pretend from the beginning that he was a traitor, then he must have REALLY liked Jimin since he always tries to hint to her that they should date/marry. He didn't have to care so much and yet he did. Though, shady he didn't tell Jimin about Seokjin even though he warned her.

Hate the fact she went back to Seokjin even though dude lied, hid her from people and wouldn't let her touch him in front of people. Dude had a wife and a kid and you think /that/ is open-minded and monogamy is close-minded? I feel like the show fails SO MUCH to grasp what the newer generations are all about. Trends, influencers, fashion. These have nothing to do with VALUES and I refuse to believe that in the newer generations, they don't give a f*** about the value of loyalty and monogamy.

The ending felt so rushed. Jimin barely had time to 'mourn' her friendship with Bohyun. They were supposedly best friends, weren't they??? She lost her best friend when he betrayed her. They could have prolonged her confrontation with him to let him say a few more things instead of making those segments with Roji. I mean......Jimin depended so much on this thing called friendship throughout the whole show I feel like we deserved more regarding the established friendship between Jimin and Bohyun than something that would never happen with Roji because she rejected him.

Nope!

Whether you like it or not, this is how things work in Korea. It's not perfect, no. But if it was me, I'd be just as petty as the wife. Dude cheated and ONLY asked for a divorce when he was caught. Well, no. You don't get to be with someone else behind my back and then ask for freedom. Because when I'm divorced, guess who will be stigmatized by the Korean society by being a divorced woman? Guess who will be looked at with nothing but pity because some a-hole didn't have the balls to ask for a divorce when he was catching feelings and did it only when he was caught? No. When you do stuff like that, you face the consequences. Actions have reactions. I'm not God but I'm not going to let people off so easily for hurting me either. If you want to be a pacifist and you believe in their 9 year love, go ahead but stop judging the fact that not all women would react like you.

You can use a VPN! I use Windscribe which is free but has a limit to 10GB. But it should be okay for you!

I watched it here!

https://www.bilibili.tv/en/video/4789368971199488?bstar_from=bstar-web.ugc-video-detail.playlist.all

Haven't watched the Chinese version but FL here got on my nerves. I understand her insecurities but after some time, it became too much. It seemed like she paid more attention to what people said than the relationship itself. If anything, she was the one hindering their relationship by labeling it as 'i'm not good enough for you because you have money'. He kept chasing her around like a lovesick puppy because...fair play...I'm with you when it comes to fighting for love but it got unbearable to watch. When he got sick in the rain, she pretended they were together yet she knew she was gonna leave him in the morning.

At the end of the day, was she really in love?

Thank you for letting me know!