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Replying to MianhaKdrama Apr 5, 2024
Achi & Ji's whole storyline is based on the miscommunication trope. A trope that you can find in all kind of fiction,…
In these times of civilization of fish memory, paying attention is absent from the act of living, images run on small screens and emotions are little lights that turn on and off, giving way to the next little fire that stimulates brains surprised by the change of functions.
Replying to Rhyker9597 Apr 4, 2024
Marriage equality in Thailand is 99% a done deal. I think it has 1 more step(monarch approval) which I heard is…
The debate on equal marriage and rights for members of the Thai LGBT+ community has been in debate for years and has not prospered. Less than 10 days ago, with 399 votes in favor, 10 against and two abstentions, the Parliament of Thailand approved the equal marriage law. In this way, Thailand would become the third Asian country to legalize unions between LGTBI people. The first in the southeast of the continent, where collective rights only regress as is the case in Indonesia, Malaysia or Brunei.
LGBT+ people and activists who support their rights say that although the country has one of the largest and most visible communities of the group in Asia, Thai laws do not reflect the changes and attitudes of society in recent times.
One of the main changes to the law is the naming of a marriage from "one man and one woman" to "two people" and the modification of the legal status from "husband and wife" to a genderless "married couple." Likewise, these unions will be guaranteed the same rights enjoyed by heterosexuals.
Thailand would thus take an important step to create a society of equality and non-discrimination. Through the law, the State would guarantee human rights such as gender and family formation, but the final endorsement of the Senate is still missing and it must be published in the official State bulletin after being signed by the king. And this is not scheduled to take place before the end of the year. Meanwhile, LGBT+ people will continue to suffer discrimination, harassment and exclusion, as before.
Replying to MianhaKdrama Apr 4, 2024
Achi & Ji's whole storyline is based on the miscommunication trope. A trope that you can find in all kind of fiction,…
Yes, there are some others too, but unfortunately very few. But sometimes we skip those scenes when one in a thousand exposes us to the crudeness, therefore we ignore reality, while on the other hand we criticize homophobia in other places, contexts and scenarios. Even so, we issue opinions without having a real basis on the BL, since we live in a bubble and we do not want other users to come and make it explode for us. How nice and pleasant to live alienated from reality. And the worst thing is the risk of making a fool of yourself.
Replying to MianhaKdrama Apr 4, 2024
Achi & Ji's whole storyline is based on the miscommunication trope. A trope that you can find in all kind of fiction,…
Hello. Korea and its country may have many Christians, but they should not be the majority on a continent with strong cultural and historical roots. The arrival of Westerners in past centuries introduced Christianity, but it is still the majority, generally, not to be absolute, to find in these countries the majority of their population adopting the traditional faith. On the other hand, new generations are becoming less interested in religion in many places, more concerned with everyday issues. A simple search on the Internet assures that the Christian religion in South Korea has 29.4% of residents attached to it, while Buddhism is lower, with 22.9%, while 46.4%, that is, the Most of the population declares themselves to have no religious affiliation. I also do not consider myself an expert in Buddhism, but I like to inform myself before issuing an opinion. I prefer not to give an opinion before saying anything that may be far from reality and not have a real, scientific, verifiable basis... Of course, patriarchy is a fundamental part of internalized homophobia. In my comments, both to the one you reply to and in previous ones, I raise it. The conservative, patriarchal and heteronormative society in which Ji, Tae Yi and all the other young people live, not only in fiction, but in real life, have built a world by and for the heterosexual man. These heteronormative societies discriminate against homosexuals, harass them, persecute them and exclude them. Ji and Tae Yi fear breaking away from the "normative", from what for them the homophobic and conservative society dictates and imposes. They are different from the majority of members of society, and society will seek to attack and exclude them if they dare to deviate from the "norm."
Surely in your country and in others, such as Bangladesh, Malaysia, Brunei, etc., especially Muslim countries and others in the region, society is also homophobic and persecutes homosexuals, does not accept equal marriage, etc. So why would it be different in Thailand if, despite certain advances in the matter, it still discriminates against homosexuals and does not recognize their right to a relationship. Just ask yourself if Junior and Fluke, the actors who play Achi and Ji, could get married in real life if they wanted to. Ask yourself if they could adopt a child. So, is there or is there not discrimination and violation of the rights of LGBT+ people?
On the other hand, my objective is not to humiliate Thailand, but to express my ideas that these series do not really represent that discriminated, harassed and excluded minority in reality. BL series create a bubble of fantasy and dream into which those who accept what these series tell as real can fall. Opinions like the ones I have said about Thai BL would not occur to me when I watch a French, American, British, Spanish film or series... In these I will surely look at other issues, because despite equal marriage and homosexuals being legal They walk through life without the fear that Thais, South Koreans, etc. live, not everything is rosy.
About fake kisses, that's another question. They are idols, they are heterosexuals representing homosexual people, they are afraid of losing their fan bases or other reasons that cause these fake kisses, but this is not the central problem of the matter in the debate about internalized homophobia or homophobia as such. Yes, I would like to see real kisses, but if Tae Yi and Seo-Hun did not kiss it would not be a problem for me, because I would be convinced that even without kisses they love each other, that the series is a drama about boy love and that the same Explore real topics without fear.
Replying to MianhaKdrama Apr 4, 2024
Achi & Ji's whole storyline is based on the miscommunication trope. A trope that you can find in all kind of fiction,…
Maybe users will be able to prove me wrong, but that is not achieved through rhetoric, but rather through arguments and analysis.
Replying to MianhaKdrama Apr 4, 2024
Achi & Ji's whole storyline is based on the miscommunication trope. A trope that you can find in all kind of fiction,…
Hello. Of course religion greatly influences. The text was already extensive. If I incorporate other reflections, on religion, for example, it would be even more extensive. But the debate allows each one to address multiple aspects.
In Thailand it is not the Catholic or Protestant religion (I prefer this term to Christian, since both are), but the Buddhist. Thailand is a religiously homogeneous country with more than 94 percent of its population ascribing to Theravada Buddhism. Only about 5 percent are Muslim and the rest belong to Christianity, Hinduism, and other religions.
Religion is an important factor that contributes to Thai society's understanding and perception towards sexual orientation and gender identity. Buddhism proposes that to transcend to nirvana the human being must abandon all forms of sexuality, especially in men. Then, the positions of the most conservative elements of those ascribed to that religion assume two positions or have two visions on homosexuality, totally opposite. Some claim that homosexuals were born homosexuals and that in each life they have they will receive a punishment or be punished for their sins in past lives (and being homosexual is a sin and taboo), through karma and reincarnation, while others Believers assure that homosexuality is a conscious decision, with much more marked views on male-female roles, that the decision made is immoral and perverse. Digressing a bit from the debate: then, how is it possible that in series like The Sign and I Feel You Linger In The Air, to name two recent ones, but there are many more, we can see Buddhist monks supporting homosexual relationships? This at the very least is incongruous, anachronistic, and very laughable.
The two series, Jazz for Two and To Be Continued, show the same problem: internalized homophobia. Tae Yi rejects Seo-Hung for the same reason Ji rejects Achi. They are both victims of internalized homophobia. They are gay, they are in love, but they do not accept themselves as such. They don't recognize that they are homosexual. That's why they go to harass, to violate, to ignore the people they love. They prefer to suffer and make their loved ones suffer before recognizing themselves as homosexuals.
But the difference is that the Korean series addresses the problem without fear, makes visible the internalized homophobia suffered by three of the protagonist boys, opens the debate on the topic and serves as a denunciation of the conservative and homophobic South Korean society, while the Thai series does not. dares none of this, and denies a reality of discrimination that affects LGBT+ people in Thailand and other countries, such as Bangladesh and other neighbors of Thailand, such as Japan, South Korea, etc. So, the Thai series has no choice but to justify Ji's rejection of Achi, the pain and suffering of these two young people of having been apart for 10 years of their lives, through silly, ridiculous excuses that are laughable, as a simple misunderstanding, lack of communication and that they were both inexperienced teenagers at the time. And aren't Ji and Achi the same age as Tae Yi and Seo-Hung? Shouldn't they have the same level of psychosocial development at 18 years old, secondary school age, which places the 4 of them in the same stage known as upper adolescence, between 17 and 18 years old, since from this point on it would be the stage of post-adolescence or youth, from 19 to 24 years old? Psychological functioning in adolescent development in the 4s already occurs at those moments on the intellectual, sexual, social level and in the development of identity. I mean that the 4 young people would be on equal terms in that sense. It is the Thai series that fails the same gay people its characters represent.
Replying to MianhaKdrama Apr 2, 2024
Achi & Ji's whole storyline is based on the miscommunication trope. A trope that you can find in all kind of fiction,…
Hello. You name three ThaiBL titles, out of hundreds that exist, in which a complaint is made against the discrimination and intolerance of conservative Thai society. Those series you mention, and some more, like 'Be My Favorite', one more strongly than the other, openly defend the rights of Thai LGBT+ people. Can you say the same about so many others, including the one at hand, To Be Continued? So why try to rely on such a small number of examples to try to demonstrate generality? It is not in ThaiBL's interest to defend the rights of the community to which the characters in the series belong. And that is what is paradoxical and contradictory. The objective of BL series, in addition to generating income and advertising products from companies that finance these productions, try to generate in gullible and naive people the false idea that Thailand is a free and tolerant country towards gays with the purpose of attracting Western tourists and from other latitudes.
That SUPPOSED trope of lack of communication in 'To Be Continued' is the most laughable and unsustainable argument that creators resort to to "stay out of trouble" and avoid everything I expose in my writing exercise, that is, ignoring repression and the discrimination of a society that is intolerant of the LGBT+ community, such as Thailand. It's obvious that you didn't understand anything. By the way, it is NOT the KBLs, apparently the ones you prefer over others, that my criticism is directed at, but rather the ThaiBLs. The South Korean woman is also intolerant, I would even risk saying much more than the Thai woman. Article 31 of South Korea's National Human Rights Commission Law states that "no person shall be discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation." However, article 92 of the Military Penal Code considers sexual relations between members of the same sex as "sexual harassment", punishable by a maximum of one year in prison.
This shows that the main cause of the illegality of homosexuality and discrimination towards LGBT+ people in that nation is due to the fact that the South Korean army maintains a conscription system. The military strongly influences the way in which the gender identity of South Korean men is configured. South Korea's conservative society makes homosexuals feel ashamed – often leading them to blame themselves for not being able to meet society's criteria of normality. In that sense, Ja'zz for Two' is timely, revolutionary and innovative in exposing what ThaiBLs dare not.
Thanks to your comment I was able to delve into my ideas on the subject. Incorporating it into the text that you reply would already be too extensive.
On To Be Continued Apr 2, 2024
After watching episode 6 of 'To Be Continued' last week, I wondered why two young people of the same sex, like Ji and Achi, live 10 years of their lives apart, suffering, dying in life, despite to love each other? What prevents you from living a life together, as you wish? While Achi fully accepts her sexuality, Ji hides it and does not want to acknowledge it. And I answered myself: "The reason is that in Thailand relationships (including marriage) between people of the same sex are still not recognized." And he argued that Ji is a victim of internalized homophobia. Ji represents one of those hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of young homosexuals in the world (specifically in Thailand) forced to hide their homosexuality to comply with what a conservative country with strong patriarchal and heteronormative traditions demands of them.
And I reiterated a question that I ask all the time, especially when a series that has great potential, like this one, disappoints me: When will the creators of BL series stop being afraid to demonstrate in their works that love and feelings do they have no borders?
And he kept answering me: The question is that Thai BL series have not yet decided to address the reality of LGBT+ people in that country. BL dramas tell us two very different realities. Although the "positive representation" of relationships between male characters is celebrated, in the sense that they are no longer always synonymous with tragedy or come with a strong load of stereotypes, the genre of love dramas between boys does not show representations close to the Thai reality. BL series generally focus on “young love,” omitting the realities faced by gay men in Thailand, who still do not have basic rights such as equal marriage. This leads many viewers to have misunderstood that Thailand is a gay paradise. And that is not true.
Even homosexual romance dramas are broadcast with the intention of not disturbing "the tranquility and sleep" of the most conservative sectors of the country. The episodes of the BL series are broadcast on alternative platforms through smartphones and digital devices, in order not to interfere with the usual TV soap opera programming.
Over the course of last week, the South Korean BL series 'Jazz for Two' premiered. Three of its protagonists are also victims of internalized homophobia. Tae Yi, the main protagonist, is a victim of the discrimination, rejection or shame he feels towards his own sexual orientation or gender identity, living, like Ji, in a society that stigmatizes and represses sexual diversity.
But the creators of the Korean series did not hesitate or mince their words when addressing this complex and current topic. By exposing the cause that motivated Tae Yi to reject Seo-Hun, the series put its finger on the sore spot and, in addition to making internalized homophobia visible and generating debate and reflection on this issue, it denounced a homophobic society. What courage on the part of the actors, the production team and the directors of the television channels, taking into account that South Korea, like Thailand, is a society that today still does not recognize relationships between people of the same sex, by not recognizing equal marriage.
Today we learn that Ji and Achi have suffered for 10 years because of "a simple misunderstanding." Let no one come and justify that "they lacked communication or were very young. They are the same age as Tae Yi and the rest of the young high school students in the South Korean series. How can "a simple misunderstanding" be credible as a justification? so gross of human suffering, represented in these two young people?
Ji and Achi did not lack communication or age. Ji and Achi lacked the courage of the creators to address sensitive topics, such as internalized homophobia. Ji and Achi lacked the courage of the creators to denounce the harassment and discrimination suffered by real, flesh-and-blood gay youth depicted in Thai BL fiction. Ji and Achi lacked the courage of the creators to criticize the discourse that seeks to suffocate minorities by stating that being homosexual is something abnormal and depraved. Ji and Achi lacked the courage of the creators to propose to reflect on internalized homophobia, on the many generations that have been affected by that intrinsic message that society constantly sends you and that tells you that you are not normal, that there is something that fails with you and you have to hide, make yourself invisible.
Today we learn that Ji and Achi have suffered for 10 years because of "a simple misunderstanding." Let no one come and justify that "they lacked communication or were very young." They are the same age as Tae Yi and the rest of the young high school students in the South Korean series. How can "a simple misunderstanding" be credible as such a crude justification for the human suffering, represented in these two young people?
Ji and Achi did not lack communication or age. Ji and Achi lacked the courage of the creators to address sensitive topics, such as internalized homophobia. Ji and Achi lacked the courage of the creators to denounce the harassment and discrimination suffered by real, flesh-and-blood gay youth depicted in Thai BL fiction. Ji and Achi lacked the courage of the creators to criticize the discourse that seeks to suffocate minorities by stating that being homosexual is something abnormal and depraved. Ji and Achi lacked the courage of the creators to propose to reflect on internalized homophobia, on the many generations that have been affected by that intrinsic message that society constantly sends you and that tells you that you are not normal, that there is something that fails with you and you have to hide, make yourself invisible.
Today I ask myself again: When will BL series come to reflect the real diversity of the LGBT+ community in Thai society? While dozens of BL series are produced and broadcast each year, stigma and discrimination against LGBT+ people continues to occur. When will the creators and directors of television channels understand that making homoaffective representations in BL series more nuanced and political could bring important and positive changes in a society that is beginning to observe its diversity through television creations?
Replying to GayinYourArea Apr 1, 2024
Title Jazz for Two
homophobia, patriarchy and sexual assault are global issues. the drama did a commendable job in depicting them,…
If you want to continue analyzing the topic and not just stay on the surface of the matter, but go to the heart of the problems exposed in the series, I recommend that you focus for a few minutes at least on South Korea, the country where the series was filmed. That is a conservative country, with strong patriarchal and heteronormative traditions, where homosexuals have difficulty fitting into society. Coming out is still not welcomed in most conservative Korean families, who consider their children's homosexuality as something close to a crime.
Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in South Korea face legal challenges and discrimination not experienced by non-LGBT+ South Koreans. Same-sex sexual activity is legal, but Gay Marriage, Equal Marriage or Same-sex Marriage or other forms of legal partnership are not available to same-sex couples.
Homosexuality in South Korea is not specifically mentioned in the South Korean Constitution or the Civil Penal Code. Article 31 of the National Human Rights Commission Law states that "no person should be discriminated against because of his or her sexual orientation." However, article 92 of the Military Penal Code considers sexual relations between members of the same sex as "sexual harassment", punishable by a maximum of one year in prison.
This shows that the main cause of the illegality of homosexuality and discrimination towards LGBT+ people in that nation is due to the fact that the South Korean army maintains a conscription system. The military strongly influences the way in which the gender identity of Korean men is configured. South Korea's conservative society makes homosexuals feel ashamed – often leading them to blame themselves for not being able to meet society's criteria of normality. And in the middle of all this, there are 6 boy characters from the series 'Jazz for Two'.
Replying to GayinYourArea Apr 1, 2024
Title Jazz for Two
homophobia, patriarchy and sexual assault are global issues. the drama did a commendable job in depicting them,…
It seems, from the words of, I would say, many of the commentators, that the director is a victim of internalized homophobia that after turning off the camera and firing actors and members of the production team, he stands in front of gay bars or some school to, with an aluminum bat in the hands of those employees who play baseball, harass gays.
It seems, from the words of, I would assure, too many commentators, the director, the next morning, instead of greeting those involved in the filming with a "good morning", asked each and every one of them how many gays he harassed the night before, and when someone answers "Only 789" tell them that that night they will go to sleep without dinner.
It seems, from the words of, I would say, the majority of commentators, I would like to be wrong about this, the first thing they value in casting is the level of toxicity and internalized homophobia of the actors in search of who is chosen by " make the grade"
It is true, homophobia, sexual harassment, internalized homophobia, even homoaffective relationships, provoke criticism and resentment in societies today. However, when these themes are represented in the series, they do not seek to "induce" anyone towards certain behaviors, but rather to make visible a problem present in our contemporary societies, to put the finger on the sore spot to denounce these phenomena and generate debate and reflection.
Below I leave you the definition of internalized homophobia, how it influences its victims and some signs that may indicate the presence of internalized homophobia. They will already say if the protagonists of the series do not see themselves reflected in them:
Internalized homophobia is a term used to describe negative attitudes and beliefs about LGTBIQ+ identities that a person within their own group may adopt as a result of the discrimination and oppression they face. This form of homophobia can manifest itself in the way LGTBIQ+ people view themselves and their relationships, as well as in the way they relate to other members of the LGTBIQ+ community.
Internalized homophobia can be especially difficult to detect and overcome, as it is often rooted in traumatic and painful experiences, such as bullying, physical or emotional abuse, discrimination in the workplace, loss of friends and family, and lack of community support.
Internalized homophobia can lead LGTBIQ+ people to feel ashamed of their identity and question their own validity as people. It can also make LGBTQ+ people feel isolated and alone, which can lead to mental health problems such as anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress.
It is important to note that internalized homophobia is not exclusive to LGBT+ people. It can also affect heterosexual people who have been raised in a homophobic culture and who may not be aware of how this culture influences their attitudes and behaviors.
1. Dislike towards the LGBT+ community
People who experience internalized homophobia may feel rejection or aversion toward other people who are openly LGBT+. This can manifest itself in the form of negative comments about the community, avoidance of situations in which LGBT+ people find themselves, and, above all, in the denial of their own identity.
2. Fear of discrimination
People who experience internalized homophobia may fear discrimination and rejection from society due to their sexual orientation. This can make them feel insecure about their identity and avoid revealing it to others.
3. Adherence to traditional gender roles
Internalized homophobia can also manifest itself in excessive attachment to traditional gender roles. For example, a lesbian woman who feels the need to act extremely feminine to demonstrate her femininity, or a gay man who avoids expressions of affection in public so as not to appear effeminate.
4. Low self-esteem
People who experience internalized homophobia may have low self-esteem due to internalizing negative stereotypes and prejudices toward their own identity. This can manifest itself in a lack of self-confidence, denial of one's own identity, or even depression and anxiety.
5. Avoidance of romantic or sexual relationships
People who experience internalized homophobia may avoid romantic or sexual relationships with people of the same sex due to internalizing negative stereotypes about homosexuality. This can cause them not to bond with the people they really feel attracted to, and they may not establish sexual relationships directly.
Replying to GayinYourArea Apr 1, 2024
Title Jazz for Two
homophobia, patriarchy and sexual assault are global issues. the drama did a commendable job in depicting them,…
Yes, we watched the same program, but not from the same subjectivity nor with the same cultural and intellectual tools. I have given my well-founded opinion in numerous comments, in addition to the review of the series. I practically didn't have time for anything else yesterday. Telling you something right now would be repeating myself. If you are interested, or you can read my comments, go to a psychologist with the series and discuss it with him after watching it, or study numerous texts that exist on the internet about homophobia and internalized homophobia.
Replying to ariel alba Apr 1, 2024
Title Jazz for Two
Hello. Maybe the person your former teenage student liked was a victim of internalized homophobia and was hiding…
The story you tell is typical in those cases. They are all very similar and vary little from one to another. I hope the two protagonists and everyone involved have found their place in the world. Professor, it seems, from what you say? Me too, in addition to being a journalist and film critic. Reiterated greetings.
On Love Is Like a Cat Apr 1, 2024
Love Is like a Cat is one of Hanyang Studio's four joint Thai-Korean BL projects, from the same WeTV Original production, 'Peach Of Time'. The remaining dramas are 'Eccentric Romance', 'Wuju Bakery' and 'The First Love Manual', scheduled to premiere in 2024.
Replying to Diva70 Apr 1, 2024
Title Jazz for Two
For me this is now on my list of favorites for 2024. That scene with the four performing together was awesome.…
Hello. Maybe the person your former teenage student liked was a victim of internalized homophobia and was hiding his true self with his teasing and bullying. Thank you for your comment.
On Jazz for Two Apr 1, 2024
Title Jazz for Two
It seems, from the words of, I would say, many of the commentators, that the director is a victim of internalized homophobia that after turning off the camera and firing actors and members of the production team, he stands in front of gay bars or some school to, with an aluminum bat in the hands of those employees who play baseball, harass gays.
It seems, from the words of, I would assure, too many commentators, the director, the next morning, instead of greeting those involved in the filming with a "good morning", asked each and every one of them how many gays he harassed the night before, and when someone answers "Only 789" tell them that that night they will go to sleep without dinner.
It seems, from the words of, I would say, the majority of commentators, I would like to be wrong about this, the first thing they value in casting is the level of toxicity and internalized homophobia of the actors in search of who is chosen by " make the grade"
It is true, homophobia, sexual harassment, internalized homophobia, even homoaffective relationships, provoke criticism and resentment in societies today. However, when these themes are represented in the series, they do not seek to "induce" anyone towards certain behaviors, but rather to make visible a problem present in our contemporary societies, to put the finger on the sore spot to denounce these phenomena and generate debate and reflection.
Below I leave you the definition of internalized homophobia, how it influences its victims and some signs that may indicate the presence of internalized homophobia. They will already say if the protagonists of the series do not see themselves reflected in them:
Internalized homophobia is a term used to describe negative attitudes and beliefs about LGTBIQ+ identities that a person within their own group may adopt as a result of the discrimination and oppression they face. This form of homophobia can manifest itself in the way LGTBIQ+ people view themselves and their relationships, as well as in the way they relate to other members of the LGTBIQ+ community.
Internalized homophobia can be especially difficult to detect and overcome, as it is often rooted in traumatic and painful experiences, such as bullying, physical or emotional abuse, discrimination in the workplace, loss of friends and family, and lack of community support.
Internalized homophobia can lead LGTBIQ+ people to feel ashamed of their identity and question their own validity as people. It can also make LGBTQ+ people feel isolated and alone, which can lead to mental health problems such as anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress.
It is important to note that internalized homophobia is not exclusive to LGBT+ people. It can also affect heterosexual people who have been raised in a homophobic culture and who may not be aware of how this culture influences their attitudes and behaviors.
1. Dislike towards the LGBT+ community
People who experience internalized homophobia may feel rejection or aversion toward other people who are openly LGBT+. This can manifest itself in the form of negative comments about the community, avoidance of situations in which LGBT+ people find themselves, and, above all, in the denial of their own identity.
2. Fear of discrimination
People who experience internalized homophobia may fear discrimination and rejection from society due to their sexual orientation. This can make them feel insecure about their identity and avoid revealing it to others.
3. Adherence to traditional gender roles
Internalized homophobia can also manifest itself in excessive attachment to traditional gender roles. For example, a lesbian woman who feels the need to act extremely feminine to demonstrate her femininity, or a gay man who avoids expressions of affection in public so as not to appear effeminate.
4. Low self-esteem
People who experience internalized homophobia may have low self-esteem due to internalizing negative stereotypes and prejudices toward their own identity. This can manifest itself in a lack of self-confidence, denial of one's own identity, or even depression and anxiety.
5. Avoidance of romantic or sexual relationships
People who experience internalized homophobia may avoid romantic or sexual relationships with people of the same sex due to internalizing negative stereotypes about homosexuality. This can cause them not to bond with the people they really feel attracted to, and they may not establish sexual relationships directly.
Replying to GayinYourArea Apr 1, 2024
Title Jazz for Two
homophobia, patriarchy and sexual assault are global issues. the drama did a commendable job in depicting them,…
Could you tell us at what moment Yoo Ha took an attitude of rejection, of contempt towards Do Yoon for being this homosexual, I repeat, for being this homosexual? That's homophobia. When Too Ha hurt, humiliated, despised Do Yoon after learning that the boy is homosexual? I answer you: at no time. From the very first episode, when the two friends Do Yoon and Tae Yi arrive at school, Joo Ha doesn't even look at Do Yoon. Just talk to Tae Yi. This is his favorite prey, but not for sexually or socially harassing him, but for punishing him because the boy doesn't care about his sister. At that time Yoo Ha was unaware of the sexual inclination of either of them, so it would be illogical for Yoo Ha to let homophobia towards the two of them appear. A little further back in this scene: they meet before arriving at school Tae Yi and Do Yoon. They are friends. Do Yoon puts a hand on Tae Yi's shoulder and he reacts violently. That is his internalized homophobia that acts. From the first moment we are discovering the characters.
When Do Yoon sees Yoo Ha and Seo-Hun on the street as they are both leaving karaoke, someone who is being harassed by a homophobe would not have approached him to defend someone else.
When Do Yoon kisses Yoo Ha and declares her love for him, there is NO contempt in Yoo Ha for the young man for being homosexual. It's at the beginning of episode 4. The kiss comes, and Yoo Ha's reaction is spontaneous. Yes, she is violent, she hits him, but not to attack a homosexual, but as a response to her own internalized homophobia. He doesn't call him "faggot" or any other derogatory name. He tells him: "You're crazy." He turns his back on her and walks away. Yoo Ha does not attack, he does not humiliate Do Yoon for being homosexual either at that moment or afterwards. It's the opposite. Instead of humiliating him, making fun of him, spreading rumors, putting graffiti on the bathrooms and walls of the school, posting in the school chat, outing him from the closet, which would be the characteristic reaction of homophobes, he gets defensive (even of his own sister), because he watches how the students talk about him, point at him as they pass, and thinks that Do Yoon could have said about the kiss. That's not homophobia. That's internalized homophobia. There are big differences between one and the other. Yoo Ha is confused with his own feelings. He passes by him, looks at him, and continues on. He fears him. Yoo Ha is afraid of Do Yoon… because he is afraid of himself. The boy "has moved the floor." And then Do Yoon stops talking to her, acting indifferent, and Yoo Ha breaks down and accepts it. Yoo Ha discovers himself. The series does not delve into whether there is a romance between them, it hints at it, it is the second couple, it focuses more on the other, but at least there is a friendly relationship.
The homophobe does not ignore his victim, like Yoo Ha does to Do Yoon. On the contrary, he enjoys making her suffer, bothering her, shaming her, persecuting her wherever she is, even in her own home, he would even record the kiss and publish it and spread it amid laughter and ridicule. And Yoo Ha does the opposite. He hides from Do Yoon, ignores him. And Do Yoon prefers that he say something to him, even if it's offensive, and when he doesn't succeed, when he realizes that the boy he likes doesn't pay him the attention he asks for, he thinks that it could cause him harm, and he chooses to ignore it, and here comes Yoo Ha's definitive reaction. Yoo Ha accepts himself and, in return, accepts Do Yoonl.
The series does not revolve around homophobia, but around internalized homophobia.
Neither Yoo Ha nor Tae Yi are driven by homophobia, but rather internalized homophobia. When you see the differences between them, you will understand that neither of them had a homophobic mentality, but rather an internalized homophobic mentality. The same thing happens to Seo Hun's brother. He is the one who kisses Tae Yi's brother while he was sleeping or pretending to sleep with his head on the table. When Tae Yi's brother confesses to Seo-Hun's brother that he liked him, Seo-Hun's brother's internalized homophobia prevents him from accepting himself as gay. If you don't accept yourself, how could you accept your peers? This is the same for all three: Tae Yi, Seo Hun's brother, and Yoo Ha.
That growth you speak of occurred in Tae Yi spontaneously. There is no rule that says how long it takes to evolve. There is not even a rule that says that all people who suffer from internalized homophobia will stop suffering from it. They can die without even realizing they are suffering from it.
When Tae Yi's internalized homophobia (NOT his homophobia, because Tae Yi is NOT homophobic) attacks (so to speak) Seo-Hun and he leaves him crying, and immediately afterwards, when he enters the bar, Do Yoon tells him who dragged Seo-Hun to look for Tae Yi for not answering calls and not going to school, because Seo-Hun did not want to accompany him, Tae Yi understands that he has acted incorrectly. He knows that he loves Seo-Hun, and it is he who must take the step of accepting himself as a homosexual. And he does it. Hours later, the next morning, she looks for him in the music room, sits next to him at the piano, they play a melody, and he kisses Seo-Hun.
Tae Yi did not sexually assault Seo Hun. To sexually assault someone there must be a sexual motivation, a sexual impulse, a sexual desire. Taking advantage of Seo Hun sexually was not the driving force behind Tae Yi's action, but rather his own internalized homophobia. He really would have wanted to kiss him and love him as the boy asked him to, but at that moment he had not accepted himself as homosexual. Therefore, he cannot please the other, and he attacks him in this way as a logical reaction of a person who is fighting a bloody battle inside between self-hatred and desire.
On the other hand: no one in the series admitted to having been homophobic for the simple reason that no one was homophobic. Therefore, no one apologized for this reason. It would be like saying that a person apologizes for having murdered a person, when in fact they never committed the crime.
Replying to GayinYourArea Mar 31, 2024
Title Jazz for Two
homophobia, patriarchy and sexual assault are global issues. the drama did a commendable job in depicting them,…
Homophobia is not present in any way, directly or indirectly. You say that Tae Yi did sexually assault Seo-Hung by touching him without his consent. Following this kind of logic, could we say that Seo Hung sexually assaulted Tae Yi when he kissed him, also without his consent? Why do we see one action as sexual harassment and the other not? However, Seo Hung's action does carry an implicit sexual charge, a sexual interest, a sexual motivation, while Tae Yi's does not.
I don't think Tae Yi needs to redeem himself, in the sense that he hasn't manipulated, deceived, or hurt anyone. On the contrary, it was he, with his internalized homophobia, who was harming himself. Of course, in the process he also drags down those around him. And the person affected is Seo Hung, a boy who loves him and always accepted him without any other complications.
The use of a fallible, imperfect young man, like Tae Yi, to portray the problem experienced by a person who is a victim of internalized homophobia is great. In this way, the drama addresses this problem in a realistic way. Tae Yi is struggling inside with his reality, he makes mistakes, he is insecure, he takes steps back, he is afraid, he doesn't know how to act. In addition, he suffers the trauma of his brother's death. The love he finds in Sei Hun frees him from all his ties, fears, and prejudices.
The director of the series shows us what it means to form a community and how the queer family (in this case Tai Yi's friend, his uncle, Seo Hun himself and even Yoo Ha), accompanies him in the necessary evolution he experiences when he fall in love
Replying to GayinYourArea Mar 31, 2024
Title Jazz for Two
homophobia, patriarchy and sexual assault are global issues. the drama did a commendable job in depicting them,…
The series does not expose homophobia at any time, but rather internalized homophobia, which is totally different from that one.
Internalized homophobia refers to the person who is the victim of discrimination, rejection or shame they feel towards their own sexual orientation or gender identity, while homophobia is defined not as a phobia, but as an attitude of rejection and contempt directed at non-heterosexual people. That is, it is defined as the aversion towards homosexuality or against homosexual people. And the latter is not present at any time in the series.
Patriarchy underlies the plots, but is not a dominant element. I referred to patriarchy in the sense that internalized homophobia is an inherent consequence of conservative societies with strong patriarchal and heteronormative traditions, such as South Korea.
South Korean homosexuals have difficulty fitting into society. Coming out is still not welcomed in most conservative Korean families, who consider their children's homosexuality as something close to a crime. South Korea's conservative society makes homosexuals feel ashamed – often leading them to blame themselves for not being able to meet society's criteria of normality. It is evident that internalized homophobia, which has multiple causes, has been the cause of young people rejecting the boys they love, as well as the suicide of one of them. The series masterfully addresses this complex topic.
Likewise, the series does not represent any sexual assault, taking into account that sexual assault is any type of sexual activity or contact that occurs without the consent of the person attacked. No character sexually assaulted another. Tae Yi was not sexually assaulting Seo Hun when he touched him under his clothes in front of his uncle's bar. Once again he was reacting due to his internalized homophobia. There is no intention in their action to sexually harass or assault. It is that homophobia that presents itself in different ways throughout the lives of many homosexuals, by rejecting their own desires, feelings and tastes, which dominated and drove Tae Yi in those moments. We see this internalized homophobia in Tai Yi when it affects different areas of his life and his interpersonal relationships, including his physical and emotional health. It is seen in the lack of sleep, in the need to consume medications to fall asleep, in the fainting that he frequently has. It can also be seen in Tae Yi's poor communication with everyone around them, even his best friend, with whom he frequently argues over insubstantial topics. It is noted for its repression of emotions. His character is textbook. It is very well written and structured.
Tae Yi's internalized homophobia is also observed in his low self-esteem, in the fatigue, stress and depression he suffers in the first chapters of the series, until he finally accepts his homosexuality and opens up to love. The series exceeded all my expectations.