ariel alba

It's sad that at this point you can't even understand what I write. In the post I say: "In the last few days I published a post in which I opened a space for reflection and debate about the obvious prostitution seen in "Deep Night: The Series...".
Your comments motivated my following comments. Still not noticing the difference?
But don't worry if you will later find someone who will applaud you without understanding anything at all.
But it is sadder that you continue to deny the obvious.

Thank you for your participation in the debate with a correct analysis, like the one presented by you on this occasion, despite being late for now presenting a very different approach to your previous comments and after rallying around you other forum members interested in everything. opposed to debating such a delicate topic.

In recent days I published a post in which I opened a space for reflection and debate about the obvious prostitution seen in "Deep Night: The Series." I asked: Does Deep Night show us another form of male prostitution? Does the series aim to normalize male prostitution in Thailand? And, by the way, hide, disguise prostitution in the fact that the prostitute is not paid in cash, but through alcoholic beverages that result in profits for the establishment, but that the hosts will undoubtedly benefit from?
Despite offering enough elements to demonstrate the social phenomenon of prostitution present in the series, as one of the novel themes within the BL genre, as well as the fact that there is sex even when there is no penetration, some people, without having arguments to "kill the message", they opted for the "kill the messenger" strategy. The truth is that prostitution is practiced when one gives up one's body in exchange for money... or drinks of alcoholic beverages or any other economic incentive. And that is visible and evident in the series, especially in the third episode. Maybe later the series will go into more detail about it. The truth is that each person knows if they are willing to sell their body and how much this may affect their feelings and dignity. Personally, I couldn't.

I repeat, I am responsible for my words, not for the reading comprehension ability of others. you analyze carefully, you and others like you are not going to refute my arguments. What they try to do is pour all the anger into their words because someone dared to say that there is prostitution in the series. They have broken their bubble. They have been offended by the series and the actors, and they feel frustrated and hurt, but they have not been able to prove that there is no prostitution in the series.

Surely the series has no interest in telling anything about a police investigation. If you want, you can research the Thai Police and its links with corruption, mafias, gangsterism, violence, especially violence towards LGBT people. If you knew the number of citizen complaints, especially from members of that human group, received by that Thai institution each year and almost none provided to resolve the complaints and bring justice and order. We saw how the police raid on the club was a joke. They did not impose authority, much less respect and order. They allowed themselves to be filmed and the videos went viral. It's one joke after another. What happens is that while some see it, others don't, and prefer to respond with diatribes and laughing emoticons.

When you have no arguments you will discredit the opponent. One day he says "that he only attracts attention" and the next "that you are also a big narcissist."
If instead of emotions there were some logical reasoning...

In Playboys? But this was said, if I remember correctly, in synopses, advertisements and statements of the series. Therefore, if this is the case, the public knows what to expect.

When you don't have arguments... I understand you.

I am aware that Wikipedia and scientific literature talk about infections, but this is just another aspect of prostitution. This point does not prove whether or not there is prostitution. It refers to the promiscuity of male and female prostitutes that can lead to the risk of contracting diseases, but does not refer to prostitution itself. You can be a prostitute and still not be infected with a venereal disease or HIV by taking care of yourself and protecting yourself.

I am not opposed to prostitution being one of the topics that BL series address. This would demonstrate their coming of age, their capacity and aptitude to promote debate and reflection, making visible issues and topics considered taboo and therefore ignored by the majority of the series. What I don't like about Deep Night is that prostitution is an essential component of it and the creators haven't said anything about the subject. Everything seemed to indicate that they were two boys who fell in love in the middle of their work as trapeze artists, etc., and then discovered that there was nothing about trapeze and there was prostitution. In the aforementioned Filipino films, and others, from the moment you read the synopsis, you are sure of the theme that you will find in the films. The director, screenwriter, etc., are in charge of bringing the topic to debate not only through images, but in interviews, comments, statements to the press, etc. And in Deep Night they show it, but in a veiled way. That is my only point. They have sold us hard.

At Playboyy, at least as far as I saw, there was a lot of sex, but no money in exchange for it. Yes, the clients were trying to obtain financial benefits, but there was no agreement between them of money or other financial benefits in exchange for sex. I remember guys interested in sex, but they didn't offer money to get it. Then I don't know how the series continued, because I only saw about 4 or 5 episodes and I don't remember prostitution included. If there was prostitution later, I didn't see it.

Less noise, especially poetic, but empty, and more nuts would be ideal... I mean, to motivate debate.

Look, I am responsible for my words, that is, for what I say, but not for the ability of others to understand what I expressed. It's obvious you didn't understand anything. I contrast the fact that the stunts announced in the synopsis and trailer and so on are not shown, with the overt prostitution in the series. Yes, because everything that you point out, but do not name, has a name: prostitution. Acrobatics has nothing to do with prostitution.

I thought you were going to refute my ideas, but you didn't even try.

BL, especially that produced in Thailand, has created a kind of bubble into which fans have fallen who have believed that because two boys kiss and love each other, sexual relations are normalized in that country. And that is a mistake. In Thailand, same-sex unions are not currently recognized under Thai law, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman. Members of the LBGT+ collective are discriminated against and there is no law that protects them. They face problems every day that heterosexual people and couples do not have. Meanwhile, the country sells an image of a paradise destination for international tourism with proposals for gay sex and prostitution, which are also illegal. The same Ministry of Tourism of Thailand, on its website, sells this image and promotes it. You can verify it if you want. These series aim to sell products and hide harassment and discrimination, instead of denouncing this reality and fighting for the rights of LGBT+ people. But even so, they have created awareness in the population, which is much more open today in tolerating homosexuality, but I fear it is above all in this attempt to become more like the West. They are even racist series. When did you see a black man in a Thai BL? The series even serve to sell cosmetics that are useful for "whitening" the skin and cosmetic companies talk about the superiority of having white, shiny skin over others.

Hello. I assume you mean penetrative sex, since they have had a lot of sex.
And Playboys I didn't like the lack of a compelling backstory. I watched like the first 4 or 5 episodes and gave up because of this, not because of the explicit sex shown. As long as this is shown in an artistic way, I have no qualms about seeing it or hundreds or thousands of dramatizations being produced with this theme.

Where were the promised acrobatic shows? We are over a third of the series and there has been no demonstration of the acrobatics. Was it just a hook to attract the unwary to a BL series? No, it is not my case: I am a lover of romances that have two men as protagonists. The fact that I am not naive or blind enough to not see the reality behind Thai BL is that I say what I say. The BL has never managed to put me inside a bubble to isolate me from reality.
But, returning to the topic at hand: Could it be that, as an essential requirement, before getting on the trapeze, the hosts have to, on land, prostitute themselves and generate profits for the company?
I propose to the creators that they raise the stop and in the auction that serves as a cover for selling sexual services add that the client who pursues Wela climbs with him on the aerial swings... Well, I realize: for this we would have to see firstly to Wela on the trapeze. And I only name Wela, because it seems he is going to be the only one affected, since the other hosts are only offered drinks or asked to serve as a ship with another of the hosts so that the clients can take photos and selfies).
Ah, they try to hide the illegal activity with the fact that the client does not pay cash to the prostitute..., sorry, to the host, but buys his sexual services by purchasing alcoholic beverages. Net profit for the bar..., but, everyone, don't worry, the "hero of the night" is guaranteed his cut.
Some try to romanticize prostitution by claiming that it has always existed and will exist, and that young people are aware of the activity they carry out and, furthermore, they are of legal age. But they ignore that despite being an activity as old as time, it is still illegal. And with respect to the other justifications offered: let's imagine the opposite for a second. There other crimes would be committed.
The hosts (what a beautiful name to cover up an illegal activity not only in Thailand, but in the entire world) are auctioned and the clients pay with drinks for these young people to accompany them for the rest of the night at the venue. As we have seen, the winner of the bid can kiss the host, touch his penis, chest, face, arms, neck, thighs... the whole body, in addition to leaving marks on the host's neck with his bites as a reminder of having been his toy of desire and pleasure "after many attempts because you have always been very busy with other clients", as the last character insinuated that throughout the night he rubbed and massaged Wela as payment for "the paid drinks" to do what he wanted. did. At the same time, the bar has a policy to cover up illegal activity: if the client "overdoes it" (this is determined by the host, who would give the signal, or by the assessment of the bar's management), guards or bodyguards take the client out. customer kicked out of the premises.
It has not been clarified whether the customer can have penetrative sex with the host outside the bar if the latter so wishes. That is, the extent of the client's power has not been said, and whether everything would be what the host is willing to accept. But at the auction a customer won the bid, and the same bar managers took Wela to the car, in front of the bar, where the customer was waiting. He never showed his face in the bidding, as he sent a note with a huge figure that no one would exceed. Well, the client this time is the co-star boy, in love with the host. In the end they had sex. It is not explained if the sex is for the payment of money or for the own desires of both. Had Khemthis not been the winner, what would have happened between Wela and the client? Would Wela have the right or opportunity to even refuse to please the customer? What does the fact that the host is taken from the bar itself to the client's arms outside the premises prove?
Regarding the fact that there is no prostitution as long as there is no sex, as some have argued in a desperate attempt to justify and romanticize the obvious prostitution shown in the series, let us remember that prostitution is the practice or business of having sexual activities with other people in exchange. of money or other economic benefits. But it is not necessary to reach sex, if we take into account that a sexual relationship is the set of behaviors carried out by at least two people with the aim of giving or receiving sexual pleasure. Sexual relations can include many practices without sex or intercourse, such as sexual caresses or oral sex.
The magreo, also known colloquially as flannel, faje, "putting a hand", "chaldeo", etc., designates sexual relations consisting mainly of intimate caresses, without any type of penetration, neither vaginal nor anal. The use of the anglicism petting is also common, coming from the verb to pet, which has a much broader meaning than sexual and refers to the fact of caressing, kissing, rubbing with underwear, rubbing with the body, especially the hands, the body. of the other person, etc.
Escort is a term that comes from English and that - more or less - is the same as what was previously called an escort girl or boy or a prostitute or a luxury prostitute, because they not only offer sexual services but also accompaniment to dinners, parties and even weekends or entire holidays.
The good thing about introducing topics like this in a BL is generating reflection and debate. Greetings.

There are not only “customer kisses.” Customers pay and IN THE BAR LOCATION they kiss, touch the penis, chest, face, arms, neck... of the host. They magrean, they mark the neck, they lower their hand and put it under the host's clothes, as happened to Wela. Or didn't you see it? Did you watch the same episode as everyone else or did you watch a special one just for you where these images were removed? Wela couldn't do anything. Because? Because the client paid for it. He could only please the client, pretend to need to go to the bathroom and fake a constant smile. It is ironic that they auction off the host and then put custodians or bodyguards to watch so that the client, after paying for a service, does not "propagate." That's totally laughable. It's hilarious because of its absurdity. Surely the office in charge of rating the series and saying whether it is suitable to be seen by people over 19 years of age or not made it a requirement, to protect the image, that something like this be said after the obvious prostitution when selling the services of young people .
We see that the activity of the hosts is not limited to the bar premises. When a client won the power to spend time with Wela at the auction, the same managers and workers of the establishment itself took Wela in their arms and took him to the outskirts of the premises, to the car of the person who paid to have Wela at their side. his service that night. And the bodyguards followed the two all night to the place where they spent hours having sex? What's more, the bodyguards may have helped make the meeting between client and host possible. Coincidentally, that person, on this occasion, is Khemthis, his co-star, and everyone is happy and content. What if it hadn't been Khemthis? In episode 2 a woman paid for Wela's services. And Khemthis, jealous, mediated and took her out of the bar. That is, clients pay for the sexual and companionship services of the hosts, and this is prostitution.
As for it not being prostitution if there is no sex..., reason does not help you in this either. Prostitution is the practice or business of engaging in sexual activities with other people in exchange for money or other economic benefits. But it is not necessary to reach sex, if we take into account that a sexual relationship is the set of behaviors carried out by at least two people with the aim of giving or receiving sexual pleasure. Sexual relations can include many practices without sex or intercourse, such as sexual caresses or oral sex.
The magreo, also known colloquially as flannel, faje, "putting a hand", "chaldeo", etc., designates sexual relations consisting mainly of intimate caresses, without any type of penetration, neither vaginal nor anal. The use of the anglicism petting is also common, coming from the verb to pet, which has a much broader meaning than sexual and refers to the act of caressing, kissing, rubbing, rubbing with underwear, etc.
Anyway, the hosts are prostitutes. Their activity is the same as that of escorts or companions. Did you see Pretty Woman, the American film with Julia Robert and Richard Gere? How would you rate Julia Roberts' character, when she charges for accompanying clients who use her services, even if they don't have sex?
But what analysis do you do of what you see? What level of analysis and understanding can you have when you are not able to see the obvious? Or is it the fanaticism for Thai BL that doesn't allow you to recognize that not everything is as it seems?

They do not prostitute themselves because they show their chest or because they wear tight clothing, but because the client pays for the services based on the attributes observed... in short, they buy what they like the most based on what their eyes see. The hosts' services are paid for by the clients... and that turns them into prostitutes, rentboys, sex workers.
As for "not having sex", it all depends on what having sex is like for you. For many, they have sex in plain sight. Wela himself had sexual relations with the person who paid to enjoy his services. Yes, that person turned out to be the other protagonist and that is why we do not take it into account and we can even ignore it, but Wela at that precise moment provided sexual services to a client who paid for his services.
Everyone in the club said goodbye to him and took him to the car where the person who paid for his services to take him to where he wanted to take him was waiting for him. And if it wasn't Khemthis and it had been someone else, could Wela refuse? No. They paid for his services and he has to accept the client, whoever he is and do with him what he wants to do with him. The customer has the power.
And as for them not doing it for money... no, it's for drinks. There is the manipulation. Drinks have a price. The thousand drinks that Khemthis paid to enjoy Wela's sexual services were announced with great fanfare how many thousands of baht they were. The host keeps part of that money and the other part goes to the club for serving as a place where the young bodies are auctioned. Selling these sexual services locally or on the street or in a brothel is practically the same.
It didn't seem to me that Wela was enjoying the client, but he paid for Wela's services. Therefore, Wela had no choice but to accept what she did not want. Have you never heard that whoever pays rules?
A client (and it is not the first, in the second episode it was a woman, but Khemthis sent her away quickly) paid for the services of host number 1, Wela, and the client kissed him, scratched him, marked him on the neck, She touched everything she wanted in front of everyone's eyes, including the boy she loves, and she was only able to get away from him by pretending to have to go to the bathroom and showing constant fake laughter... but she couldn't tell him not to touch him, not to kiss him. , that it did not bite it, that it did not do with it what it wanted to do because the client paid to obtain and enjoy it. That's prostitution. If Thai BL series have put you inside a bubble where you feel very happy, so you are not able to see reality, and someone has burst that bubble... I assure you you have a serious problem. See you later.

Yes, a high-end bar where prostitution is practiced. The business promotes itself. Dai takes care of it, like the rest of the hosts and the owner herself. Who did she call when she found out that the police raided the premises? Customers know perfectly well what they can buy, that verb is very well used. I repeat, customers know very well what they can buy at the club, and it is not just stripteases, but sex, because there is no doubt that sex is the bar's perfect business. And when I talk about sex it doesn't necessarily have to have the component of "with penetration", although we won't know what the clients and the hosts would do off screen, when they both leave the bar, but it would surely be the same thing that the two protagonists did after one pays for the “services” of the other, but in them we justify it by simply being the protagonists and the public wanting to see their relationship. Or wasn't it sex that happened between Wela and the client who paid fairly to have what he wanted? Was he not pleased by Wela? The police seem to know, but I don't think this is the theme of the series, that is, a police investigation.
As for Wela and his “struggle” that led him to work in that place, well, in this regard, I don't think any reason has been said for choosing that job or that this is important. In the Filipino films that I mention, and others, this procedure is justified due to the poverty that exists in the country and the need to survive, but I do not think this is the case with Wela, since he does not seem to be a person of humble origins. But he knows perfectly well what his job content is at the bar: prostitution.
Look, from the synopsis and the promotion there was a lot of emphasis on the fact that the series had trapeze and acrobatic acts as a backdrop and... what we've seen? Absolutely nothing. This took a backseat and its place was filled by prostitution or escort services for the young hosts.