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And welcome to this little corner of discussion! With your interesting point of view

Every sentence leads us to another philosophical reflection ahah ! And that’s how we can approach a C-Drama that seems purely commercial at first, by peeling back all the layers and still discovering another one. It’s like a kaleidoscope—depending on how we turn it and how we look

Thank you too. It’s really rejuvenating to analyze and point things out in a constructive and unbiased way.. People often say, 'Turn off your brain" or " if you don’t like it, just change it.' But I say, I can watch, and i can I like it, but also analyze and point out things I don’t. Art is also about that. And i love reading and sharing ideas—we learn and reflect from different perspectives too.

Well said! What I also mean is that anything can be shown, nothing is inherently disturbing, but it all depends on how it is shown and justified—whether a flaw is highlighted or presented as something positive.

Ok, let’s admit that everyone has the right to have lovers, whether in dynasty X or Y — I’m not judging this choice, it’s personal, and everyone lives their life as they see fit. However, having lovers does not guarantee mutual respect or equality in how one treats the other. True equality doesn’t lie in what we do in our private lives, but in how we consider, listen to, and treat each other, without domination or hierarchy between partners. Here, there is clearly a hierarchy, yet we are talking about equality.

I agree with you 100%. And I can add this: I’ve read hundreds of Western female literature works, and watched hundreds of Chinese and Korean series—always the same thing. So here, it’s not a cultural question; it’s a global question: what do we, as women, dream of in our time? What are our expectations?

Only, it’s utopian, even dangerous, to just watch and believe in these stories, because real life is so different, and relationships are not the same. In the end, it could even work against us, because I don’t think a man who is fundamentally different from what’s shown will watch this and say, “Oh, they’re right, from tomorrow I’ll become like this hero.”

So instead of only showing THAT, it would be useful to dig deeper into the subjects, to show more depth, different cases, various possibilities—weaknesses, strengths. To find that, maybe you need to read the classics. But the fact is, we spend more than 20 hours a week watching things that distract us from real issues, real historical context, etc. … What impact is that going to have on us in the long term? lol

Oh, this is a completely different context and country: Catherine could have ‘official’ lovers because she was a queen in an absolute monarchy, in a system where the nobility tolerated such relationships for power, alliances, or pleasure.

In Confucian China, the moral and social pressure was enormous for women, even for unmarried ones.

It was a pleasure to discuss this short analysis with you all ! thks

Well, in our times, if it were the other way around, people would straight up call it sexual assault lol. In a historical context, that wouldn’t have been possible. In a modern setting, though, it could be interesting if the show actually emphasizes this reversed role in a satirical way—pointing it out and destabilizing the audience. It highlights that for a long time, the dynamic that exploited men was considered wrong, but flipping it today makes it way more obvious

Honestly, there’s nothing we can do about it :)). Women’s literature seems to collect all the naive fantasies that women can have. Oh, and let’s not forget—the girl always gets to have men chasing after her until the very end! But if it’s a man—whether it’s her ex or anyone else—women are merciless. Or, the man says no from the start,and pushed 10,000 kilometers away this girl.

Here’s the funny part (and here comes my little feminist speech): our fantasies are actually quite naive compared to the ones men have had for centuries. And yet, somehow, society keeps pretending it’s all equal.

Let’s imagine a fictional matriarchy (because historically it’s not really possible). Here, it’s just an excuse to stage an idea. Deep down, the fact that in their generations men had concubines, that lineage is passed through men, and that politically and socially women don’t have a real role—this is still a patriarchy, with just internal female dominance. One could call it internal management by women. That’s how I understand it

Because I don’t want him to turn into a" servant", but I want him to keep his original character

ahhh okkkk

agree

So basically, if we take Min Hao out, and rewrite the girl properly with the other guys—little romances, but with more complex and better-written characters—what kind of numbers would we be looking at? And our little sweetheart, where do we stick him then? Yeah, let him do his little side investigation quietly on his own

I’d totally sign off on your idea, but I don’t think the producer will. After all, it’s THE STAR—we basically paid them for the kisses, I think… oh, and the bonus of the shirtless bath scene for everyone. They launched it at the same time as the other project, probably thinking that over there it wouldn’t be as HOT as here (which, by the way, I also find the other project pretty cute in terms of chemistry, even if it’s based on a ‘different kind of love’).

Absolutely agree with you!!!!

Do you agree that the problem here is Ming Hao? We just want to see him in a romance with this beautiful girl—that’s the whole issue :)))

I think this kind of content mainly exists to satisfy the desires of the female audience, which is the majority here (myself included, guilty 😏). It’s our era that decides what we watch.

But let’s get back to so-called “classic” dramas: after watching hundreds of series, I’ll tell you—classic? I’ve never seen it. There are only two tropes: the Cinderella who needs saving, or the all-powerful woman who makes even a loud, fearsome general look like a spineless extra. That’s what today’s audience wants to escape into.

And if it had been a harem drama, then yes, we’d be in history… except that after watching 10 “historical fiction” costume dramas a week, real history is starting to feel like fiction!