I don't know about empathy.. His group of friends were as merciless as him in leaving bad reviews when they were…
well im about halfway when i questioning that.
It never explained till ep10. But i guess he is bullied or have a no friend before in college. He stated that other than Jun-Hwan, Eun-A is the 2nd person whom visited his house.
But people around him know he can't live alone, because he love to talk, express his emotions, and tell story, which he'll need someone to listen.
He'll die if he can't tell what is in his mind.
Then Eun-A came into his life, someone who can listen to him, laugh to his story even its not meant to be funny story.
Relationship, and romance may not develop his empathy, but it'll restart his engine. His confidence grew with it.
I think some of it is weird masculinity expectations around the male lead? He's not typically handsome (apparently?…
i disagree if it related to his appearance. he maybe not handsome as most male lead in popular drama, but he isn't ugly at all. Like you said, he is good looking, even with that bullet-hole-historical-war coat.
His character is uncommon for a male protagonist. some viewers might feel strange but can't say what it is. Add that with slow pace and gloomy vibe, many were struggled to sit and enjoy this drama.
I agree with the rest of what you said, especially the strength about this drama are the characters.
Many people failed to connect to this drama.Me myself really struggle to understand Dong Man. I hate him to begin…
Stealing other people works is a sin, it's evil things.
But offensive critics is not.
You may brand Choi as evil because he may steal other people works, hijack talented people, betray. But you overextend his actions. His criticism to Dong Man is part everyday life. Its not evil things, is not a sin.
He is the villain in Dong Man's story, but didn't mean all his actions is evil.
Many people failed to connect to this drama.Me myself really struggle to understand Dong Man. I hate him to begin…
i never say i did not like this drama. Thats your assumption.
I answer the question based on my own experience watching this drama. thats my agenda.
you try to attack me by saying "are you Park Gyeong Se?" No, but im more like "Dong Man ", some of you guys try to bully me because i deliver different opinions.
This is not a romcom where the male lead saves the female lead with 30 different camera angles and slow mo effects…
i do agree that Choi criticism is offensive. But it still criticism. i understand if Dong Man want to punch him. Any normal people would feel the same. But what Choi delivered to Dong Man, is a critics.
Both Eun-A and Choi critics to Dong Man, is constructive, because both offer a solution.
Choi criticized about Dong Man's career choice, while Eun-A criticized about Dong Man's script.
What you mistaken is, Choi's critics is less professional, what Eun-A did is professional one.
Because Choi and Dong Man interaction is in the workplace, and they have no social relationship. Choi's critics to Dong Man's career choice would be proper if it delivered by Dong Man inner circle, like his friends, or parents. Or superior-subordinate relationship.
Ejae probably have faced many criticism from someone like Choi's in her whole career. But thats my assumption, thats a closed door experience of her. My assumption based on my professional life in a creative industry.
why the rating is dropping? it's one of the beautiful drama this year
Many people failed to connect to this drama. Me myself really struggle to understand Dong Man. I hate him to begin with.
For me, Dong Man is the antithesis of the traditional male archetype. Our society have some expectation of male, it may slightly different in each culture, but still the same overall.
Male expected to be a provider, protector. So, male are expected to be strong, in any meaning: financial, mentality, physical, intelligence, etc.
This societal expectation is often heightened through dramatic exaggeration like in popular drama.
I dont know with any other viewer, but for me i don't really enjoy this drama fully, because of Dong Man. For me, he is weak, in many meaning. He is unorthodox protagonist.
... Fyi, in the 8 Club of college alumni of film majors, HDM began to mouth off his life stories, esp in criticizing…
you mistaken soft words critics, and hars words critics.
Choi delivered constructive criticism to Dong Man. Choi criticized him in a private, in his room.
Choi reviewing Dong Man career path, Choi told Dong Man what he lack of, Choi offer solution to Dong Man : to chose different kind of career.
i think you mistaken that solution to Dong Man's problem is to improve his ability. why stuck in that? there are other options as to choose different kind of career.
It just that Choi is the antagonist of Dong Man's life story, then you see him as villain. Then you take Choi's words as pure humiliation to Dong Man.
This is not a romcom where the male lead saves the female lead with 30 different camera angles and slow mo effects…
"We are not talking abt criticizing a colleague to his face abt his work mistakes or lack in his work for correction purposes".
Don't assume "we". I talk about critics as overall.
"In his office room, CEO Choi criticized HDM's talentlessness of 20 years to his face and told him to leave the film industry, instead of wasting his time"
Thats a critic, Choi criticizing Dong Man career options. Choi reviewing Dong Man then offering solutions To leave, move on, chose different career options. He just use harsh words.
Eun A did is a critics to Dong Man's scripts. She reviewing, then offer solution. I don't know her use of words, since it mostly written, and offscreen.
So what is this Ejae relation to this convo?
Dong Man may have career like Ejae? rising late?
There are other Ejae, whom chose different career path. So what? Ejae and other Ejae never have received critics? They are. Some hold their stand, some are not. Some keep pushing, some surrender.
... Fyi, in the 8 Club of college alumni of film majors, HDM began to mouth off his life stories, esp in criticizing…
"make someone lose face in public" aren't you mistaken critics with humiliation?
Critics can be use as evaluation, judges, its a tool to improve. Nothing wrong, or bad about critics if it use for evaluation. It'll be different if we use evaluation as a tools to bring down our opposition.
This is not a romcom where the male lead saves the female lead with 30 different camera angles and slow mo effects…
they are. they are coward not to say it to him. man up say it, the end.
criticize them in private. praise them in public. Not the opposite.
Yes, we done it to colleague. We criticize them , we told them what their lack is, to parent, coworker, friends, subordinate, etc. the closest we are, the easier to tell it.
why it is surprising to you?
you never ever told someone they're incapable or such thing? you never ever critics someone directly?
What's really great with this type of drama is by episode 3 you start to understand the multiple perspectives…
All these dramas competing to attract the same population. Web novels, or novels, or any other adaptation have their fans to begin with, means less effort to introduce a known materials, means less marketing cost compared to original one.
No guarantee an original works will gain many viewers. Adaptation works offer the least risk.
This is not a romcom where the male lead saves the female lead with 30 different camera angles and slow mo effects…
i just reached ep06, and started to understand both.
Her nosebleed is because she hold herself, she try hard to press down, to hide her emotions. Then she saw Dong Man expressed freely his emotions, that actions inspired her to express her feeling.
This is not a romcom where the male lead saves the female lead with 30 different camera angles and slow mo effects…
"Dong Man only criticized other directors' bad films behind their backs, not to their face, bc Dong Man respected them".
are you not mistaken cowardice with respect, and empathy?
i believe idiom to criticize in private, praise in public. Means to critized them to their face, and say good words of them publicly behind their back.
if you agree Dong Man's word of "respect" as "empathy", thats your meaning of empathy. Thats your answer about "Doesn't this show HDM has empathy?"
It never explained till ep10. But i guess he is bullied or have a no friend before in college.
He stated that other than Jun-Hwan, Eun-A is the 2nd person whom visited his house.
But people around him know he can't live alone, because he love to talk, express his emotions, and tell story, which he'll need someone to listen.
He'll die if he can't tell what is in his mind.
Then Eun-A came into his life, someone who can listen to him, laugh to his story even its not meant to be funny story.
Relationship, and romance may not develop his empathy, but it'll restart his engine. His confidence grew with it.
he maybe not handsome as most male lead in popular drama, but he isn't ugly at all.
Like you said, he is good looking, even with that bullet-hole-historical-war coat.
His character is uncommon for a male protagonist.
some viewers might feel strange but can't say what it is.
Add that with slow pace and gloomy vibe, many were struggled to sit and enjoy this drama.
I agree with the rest of what you said, especially the strength about this drama are the characters.
what made him righteous?
no its rhetorical, you dont have to answer it.
you branded Hwang Dong Man "righteous" because he is the protagonist, and CEO Choi "evil" because he is the antagonist.
thats how i summarize you.
offensive critics = sinners.
thats how i summarize you.
They never exposed it, they will keep it close to their heart.
I'm not defend Choi's evil action about stealing. You can meet this kind of guy in real life.
Yes, in general, society will idolize rich guy like Choi.
Because to get rich is a hard thing, and not everyone can do what is necessary. Many people will cut corners to achieve it.
Once again why pick Choi in this topic?
What about to make Dong Man stronger (which the writers did in later episodes).
But offensive critics is not.
You may brand Choi as evil because he may steal other people works, hijack talented people, betray.
But you overextend his actions. His criticism to Dong Man is part everyday life. Its not evil things, is not a sin.
He is the villain in Dong Man's story, but didn't mean all his actions is evil.
But why pick Choi in this "provider" topic?
I answer the question based on my own experience watching this drama. thats my agenda.
you try to attack me by saying "are you Park Gyeong Se?"
No, but im more like "Dong Man ", some of you guys try to bully me because i deliver different opinions.
even if im not enjoying this drama, i have no right to watch it till the end?
i understand if Dong Man want to punch him. Any normal people would feel the same. But what Choi delivered to Dong Man, is a critics.
Both Eun-A and Choi critics to Dong Man, is constructive, because both offer a solution.
Choi criticized about Dong Man's career choice, while Eun-A criticized about Dong Man's script.
What you mistaken is, Choi's critics is less professional, what Eun-A did is professional one.
Because Choi and Dong Man interaction is in the workplace, and they have no social relationship.
Choi's critics to Dong Man's career choice would be proper if it delivered by Dong Man inner circle, like his friends, or parents. Or superior-subordinate relationship.
Ejae probably have faced many criticism from someone like Choi's in her whole career.
But thats my assumption, thats a closed door experience of her.
My assumption based on my professional life in a creative industry.
Me myself really struggle to understand Dong Man.
I hate him to begin with.
For me, Dong Man is the antithesis of the traditional male archetype. Our society have some expectation of male, it may slightly different in each culture, but still the same overall.
Male expected to be a provider, protector. So, male are expected to be strong, in any meaning: financial, mentality, physical, intelligence, etc.
This societal expectation is often heightened through dramatic exaggeration like in popular drama.
I dont know with any other viewer, but for me i don't really enjoy this drama fully, because of Dong Man.
For me, he is weak, in many meaning.
He is unorthodox protagonist.
Choi delivered constructive criticism to Dong Man. Choi criticized him in a private, in his room.
Choi reviewing Dong Man career path, Choi told Dong Man what he lack of, Choi offer solution to Dong Man : to chose different kind of career.
i think you mistaken that solution to Dong Man's problem is to improve his ability.
why stuck in that?
there are other options as to choose different kind of career.
It just that Choi is the antagonist of Dong Man's life story, then you see him as villain. Then you take Choi's words as pure humiliation to Dong Man.
Don't assume "we". I talk about critics as overall.
"In his office room, CEO Choi criticized HDM's talentlessness of 20 years to his face and told him to leave the film industry, instead of wasting his time"
Thats a critic, Choi criticizing Dong Man career options. Choi reviewing Dong Man then offering solutions To leave, move on, chose different career options.
He just use harsh words.
Eun A did is a critics to Dong Man's scripts. She reviewing, then offer solution.
I don't know her use of words, since it mostly written, and offscreen.
So what is this Ejae relation to this convo?
Dong Man may have career like Ejae? rising late?
There are other Ejae, whom chose different career path. So what? Ejae and other Ejae never have received critics?
They are.
Some hold their stand, some are not.
Some keep pushing, some surrender.
except for political ruler or monarch, i can't reach them directly.
Critics can be use as evaluation, judges, its a tool to improve.
Nothing wrong, or bad about critics if it use for evaluation. It'll be different if we use evaluation as a tools to bring down our opposition.
but it seems some people here interpreted "not normal" as a derogatory word.
man up say it, the end.
criticize them in private. praise them in public. Not the opposite.
Yes, we done it to colleague. We criticize them , we told them what their lack is, to parent, coworker, friends, subordinate, etc. the closest we are, the easier to tell it.
why it is surprising to you?
you never ever told someone they're incapable or such thing?
you never ever critics someone directly?
Like a parent break their kid's fight. These guys were so childish sometimes.
Web novels, or novels, or any other adaptation have their fans to begin with, means less effort to introduce a known materials, means less marketing cost compared to original one.
No guarantee an original works will gain many viewers. Adaptation works offer the least risk.
Her nosebleed is because she hold herself, she try hard to press down, to hide her emotions. Then she saw Dong Man expressed freely his emotions, that actions inspired her to express her feeling.
are you not mistaken cowardice with respect, and empathy?
i believe idiom to criticize in private, praise in public. Means to critized them to their face, and say good words of them publicly behind their back.
if you agree Dong Man's word of "respect" as "empathy", thats your meaning of empathy. Thats your answer about "Doesn't this show HDM has empathy?"