This girl seems to play a lot of this kind of movies. She get abused, assaulted, r*ped and everything. Plus with…
I mean, I personally have no issues with the fact that the main actress is young. If she wants to play these roles-- all power to her. She's an adult and I'm pretty sure she is fully aware of the way the film industry likes to depict their young, beautiful actresses. And sex sells, I get it. But what I do I find absolutely unnecessary is the way that the cinematography of this movie directly contradicts the entire plot of the story. We're dealing with assault here so it makes no freaking sense to depict these scenes as sexy. There is a place for R-rated angles and scenes, but not when we're dealing with rape.
As an international fan who doesn't know much about Thailand's political situation, I just got the feeling that…
Omg same! I think the whole thing finally fell into place for me when I remembered that Akk and Ayan had their little stare-off front of the university building while the flag was flying half-mast (around 13:20). Seems like they were in the process of raising it, maybe? (it is properly raised around 29:40). But, again, I could be seeing symbolism when there is none, lol.
I guess you're right about the in-your-face-ness of the symbolism, tho! It's probably just a matter of taste. I personally like it better when symbolism comes secondary to the plot and the characters so I'm hoping that the whole political theme of the series won't come at the cost of actual character development. So far, the university professors have been depicted as unequivocally evil (except for that one young teacher maybe). But it's too early to judge-- I'll wait and see! 😊
Question: Someone on YT pointed out the metaphor of Akk putting the jacket back "into the closet", but I'm wondering,…
From what I know (but I'm not exactly fluent-- so please correct me if I'm wrong) the idiom isn't really used in spoken Thai. I've only really heard people use "การเปิดเผยอัตลักษณ์ทางเพศของตน" (revealing your sexual style). But "coming out of the closet" is such a popularized phrase that I'm guessing most Thais will know what the metaphor means. The Thai queer community has adopted a lot of English slang in general.
i like your rant... but there is only one episode out yet.... maybe give it a few more EPs to see what is it really…
Yeah, sorry, lol 😂 When I rant I tend to go a bit overboard. I just thought it would be interesting to contextualise this show with what is actually happening in Thailand (I'm assuming the whole thing was filmed in 2021, when the protests were in full swing). I thought I saw a connection and had to share it. I like it when TV shows manage to capture the Zeitgeist of a historical era/event. But I realise most people are here just to see 2 dudes make out and don't wanna read essay-style comments about politics so, by all means, don't let my blabbering spoil the fun! 😂 I'm also still very curious where they'll take the story. First certainly isn't dissapointing me with his acting so I can't wait!
Mixed feelings about this. I do like the direction the plot is taking (I'm always down for some social-commentary, especially when it it manages to avoid Thai censorship) but I feel like the symbolism that has been used here is a bit too much in-your-face. Western BL fans, who most likely don't not follow Thai politics, might miss out on most of the nuance that Thai watchers are probably able to pick up. But there is SO much going on (arguably... maybe too much).
Thailand has been dealing with actual student protests about their school uniforms since-- basically-- forever. But things have becomes especially HUGE since 2020-2021 when student rallies managed to reach international news as well. Thailand is one of the very few countries that still requires university students to wear uniforms (I think there are only 5 countries in the world who do so, if I'm not mistaken). And their dress codes also prescribe specific hair lengths and styles for both male and female students-- rules which feel pretty restrictive for queer students and those that don't like to dress in obviously gendered clothing. The general argument of the protests is that the uniform segregates and reinforces rigid gender roles. They are seen as one of the several rules that limit personal freedom and democracy in Thailand.
And that's exactly the thing, all of these protests about uniforms often go hand in hand with other, more general protests about the military rule and the monarchy in Thailand. Many of these protests are also student-led and call for democratic reforms (which is pretty controversial in a country where criticism of the monarchy can land you in jail). Many students have also criticised how they have to pay respect to the flag each morning (even during their Zoom classes many of them had to send in pictures to their professors as proof). All the while, the Thai government is fraught with corruption and still hasn't legalised same-sex marriage. To me it seems like Akk's school and it's authoritarian professors symbolize the current state of the Thai political system. The professors (much like Thai politicians) refuse to let go of their old ways, and it is harming the younger generations and inhibits their freedom.
In my interpretation the director seems to combine social commentary on Thai politics with a commentary on freedom of gender/sexual identity. On the one hand it alludes to the actual uniform protests but it also seems to mock the Thai government and the way it is stuck in its old ways (Hence the first episode also shows several brief shots of the Thai flag on campus, we see the students proclaim some sort of anthem about honor, and we see Ayan talk about the definition of "equality"-- all of those scenes have a distinctly pro-democracy message). The whole show really lays it on thick with it's symbolism.
All of this is great, sure, but it feels like the whole show just tries too hard. Symbolism is best when it doesn't slap you in your face-- but, so far, this show seems to want to knock you out with it. The whole thing kinda reminds me of a less-well executed Not Me right now: it seems to be pushing a similar moralistic message.
Oh no! Did I just spot a tattoo (of a tiger/kitten??). That's certainly the one and ONLY way to know a character…
Just finished the first episode and I'm still laughing about the fact that they had to spontaneously recast Kim's colleague in the club and that Kamol managed to pull some never-ending chains from his nightstand (quite a liberal/NSFW interpretation of the Narnia closet there, bro).
I feel like there is a new hate-watch on the horizon...
Oh no! Did I just spot a tattoo (of a tiger/kitten??). That's certainly the one and ONLY way to know a character is a TRUE baddy! Thanks for the visual cues. Might have missed it otherwise.
I seem to be one of the few people that didn't end up liking this, lol. It had all the elements of a fun heist movie but it just took forever to pick up steam: the main story arc only got revealed an hour into the movie. I got bored before the real story began.
I just finished watching the last episode, Tin was in a copa, and then suddenly he showed up at the clock tower…
It's implied he has read the notebook Tol left with him. Tol had been journaling (and basically confessing his love) in that notebook whilst Tin was still in coma, and it seems like those entries allowed Tin to regain the memories of the previous loops.
This director is an acquired taste; either notoriously inept or quite clever. This is the same director that created…
A quick disclaimer: I've only watched the first 2/3 episodes of this show (and none of the other works made by this director) so my opinion is wholly based on that alone. 😂
I appreciate your analysis but I personally think you've given the director too much credit lmao. While I am intrigued by the idea of parodying the BL genre, there seems to be a massive disconnect between intention and the actual execution here. Sure, the director may have attempted something revolutionary with his genre-bending but the end product is mediocre at best. There is nothing ground-breaking about celebrating promiscuity, maliciousness, and narcissism in film: these are common themes within the soap opera genre. Considering that this is basically some gay remake of a soap opera, it really isn't that strange to see our main leads cheating. And I think that's the point here: most people don't have issues with the sex or nudity-- they just hate the boring dialogue and the unoriginal, repetitive scenes. Nothing happens. The same lines are and scenarios are repeated over and over. As a straight lakorn, this show would have failed too.
Parodies only work if they’re shamelessly over the top. These films use irony and exaggeration with a purpose: to get the audience reflect on and question the status quo. Parodying something doesn't mean replicating. It means to make fun of the original source. So, then, what is being ridiculed here? What is the message of this show? Soap operas can have gay main characters? BLs don't have to be fluffy; they can also be spicy and ridiculous? Neither of those statements are remotely controversial, subversive, or daring. From what I've seen, this series doesn't have a clever, tongue-in-the-cheek message that gets us thinking about the deeper meaning of BL content or film in general (if anything you could argue the storyline reinforces the stereotype that queer men are always sexually promiscuous– but that’s a different discussion). If this was meant to be a parody, it failed horribly.
If we're talking about successful satire, I’d personally refer to films like Yamanouchi Daisuke's The Shortest Distance is Round (an incredibly explicit, absurd, and hilarious parody of Japanese pink films) and Shaowanasai Michael's The Adventures of Iron Pussy (a melodramatic parody of 70s Thai spy movies, compete with an ambiguously transgender female lead). Both films are generally rated pretty poorly because of their weird storylines-- even by film critics--but nobody would dare argue that their films are boring. The same can't be said about this series.
There is no need to be ashamed of watching this show for its abundance of abs and butt-- but it’s a bit of a stretch to call this a successful parody.
So there are two books that could be potentially the sequel to Manner of Death. Transplant and Euthanasia...We…
I read Euthanasia a (long) while back but I don't remember recognizing it as the sequel to Manner of Death. It felt like a side-story to me (Dr. Bun makes a few appearances again) but I could be entirely wrong. My memories are a bit foggy.
All this time i've been waiting for a 2nd season just to find out ML passed away. So its a definite on no 2nd…
I'd be extremely surprised if this will get a second season, tbh. It has been 3 years already, the main lead will have to be replaced, and all the characters introduced in the final episode already have other projects coming up this/next year. From a purely financial perspective it would make no sense for Netflix to fund this. By the time they'll manage to fix all the scheduling/cast issues, the hype of this show will have died down. It's too risky to invest in a second season when it's not even clear whether people will still watch it.
The reason this show started off so strong was because all the interlinked plotlines were of equal importance: the romance between Tin and Tol was simply one of the consequences of Tin's larger 'triage' conundrum. They fell in love because Tin was forced to spend time with the guy since he had so save not only him but ALSO all the other characters who were directly involved in his life. The eventual plot resolve, however, focused mainly on the romance and quickly dismissed all other side-characters like they'd never mattered in the first place.
It's also always disappointing to see antagonists be nothing more than cardboard villains. Dr. Sak (and his one facial expression) seemed to have no job to do besides smirking in his office and giving evil one-liners on the phone. And Doi's character had no consistency: he went from hesitant, pressured medical student to full-blown psycho without proper explanation. His sudden loss of rational thinking in the last episode also gave him the power to teleport apparently (how the heck did my man get into that hospital boiler room so quickly after being demobilized by Sing & Gap?).
Overall a highly enjoyable show with good acting--easily exceeded my expectations tenfold--but the last loop felt too hurried and shallow. This is one of the rare instances where I'd say that a few more episodes would have improved the story. There were still a lot of loose ends: Jinta just disappeared after petting Tol's head (he could have at least given some cryptic life advice or something); Tin never acknowledged the loss of his sister that allegedly made him an asshole in the first place (so we're just gonna take his word and believe he's a changed man?); Tol still has a heart decease but miraculously did not experience any of its side effects during the last loop; and, for goodness' sake, why wouldn't Tol check up on Tin after dumping him at his parents' house? That clock tower meeting (which, presuminlgy, occurred months later) was nostalgic and all but it made no real sense.
The ending was nonsensical. Did Tin die, or was he just in a coma? They were referring to him in the past tense,…
The past tense is probably just a mistake made by the translator (the subs have had quite a few spellings errors in general). Thai doesn't have verb conjugations so it's possible the underpaid intern doing the subbing was as confused about the storyline as the audience.
Gotta agree with you, tho, the clock tower meeting made no sense. Tin decides to show up after (presumingly) months of not seeing his lover and then proceeds to fake-amnesia-flirt with him without a care in the world. Excuse me, isn't this the guy you've seen die 20+ times or so? And BOTH of you are alive right now? After countless traumatic events? How are you not immediately jumping into his arms (or punching him for almost letting you die)? For goodness' sake, a simple phone call with a "Hey, I didn't die. Ain't that nice" would have been appreciated.
I guess you're right about the in-your-face-ness of the symbolism, tho! It's probably just a matter of taste. I personally like it better when symbolism comes secondary to the plot and the characters so I'm hoping that the whole political theme of the series won't come at the cost of actual character development. So far, the university professors have been depicted as unequivocally evil (except for that one young teacher maybe). But it's too early to judge-- I'll wait and see! 😊
Thailand has been dealing with actual student protests about their school uniforms since-- basically-- forever. But things have becomes especially HUGE since 2020-2021 when student rallies managed to reach international news as well. Thailand is one of the very few countries that still requires university students to wear uniforms (I think there are only 5 countries in the world who do so, if I'm not mistaken). And their dress codes also prescribe specific hair lengths and styles for both male and female students-- rules which feel pretty restrictive for queer students and those that don't like to dress in obviously gendered clothing. The general argument of the protests is that the uniform segregates and reinforces rigid gender roles. They are seen as one of the several rules that limit personal freedom and democracy in Thailand.
And that's exactly the thing, all of these protests about uniforms often go hand in hand with other, more general protests about the military rule and the monarchy in Thailand. Many of these protests are also student-led and call for democratic reforms (which is pretty controversial in a country where criticism of the monarchy can land you in jail). Many students have also criticised how they have to pay respect to the flag each morning (even during their Zoom classes many of them had to send in pictures to their professors as proof). All the while, the Thai government is fraught with corruption and still hasn't legalised same-sex marriage. To me it seems like Akk's school and it's authoritarian professors symbolize the current state of the Thai political system. The professors (much like Thai politicians) refuse to let go of their old ways, and it is harming the younger generations and inhibits their freedom.
In my interpretation the director seems to combine social commentary on Thai politics with a commentary on freedom of gender/sexual identity. On the one hand it alludes to the actual uniform protests but it also seems to mock the Thai government and the way it is stuck in its old ways (Hence the first episode also shows several brief shots of the Thai flag on campus, we see the students proclaim some sort of anthem about honor, and we see Ayan talk about the definition of "equality"-- all of those scenes have a distinctly pro-democracy message). The whole show really lays it on thick with it's symbolism.
All of this is great, sure, but it feels like the whole show just tries too hard. Symbolism is best when it doesn't slap you in your face-- but, so far, this show seems to want to knock you out with it. The whole thing kinda reminds me of a less-well executed Not Me right now: it seems to be pushing a similar moralistic message.
I feel like there is a new hate-watch on the horizon...
I appreciate your analysis but I personally think you've given the director too much credit lmao. While I am intrigued by the idea of parodying the BL genre, there seems to be a massive disconnect between intention and the actual execution here. Sure, the director may have attempted something revolutionary with his genre-bending but the end product is mediocre at best. There is nothing ground-breaking about celebrating promiscuity, maliciousness, and narcissism in film: these are common themes within the soap opera genre. Considering that this is basically some gay remake of a soap opera, it really isn't that strange to see our main leads cheating. And I think that's the point here: most people don't have issues with the sex or nudity-- they just hate the boring dialogue and the unoriginal, repetitive scenes. Nothing happens. The same lines are and scenarios are repeated over and over. As a straight lakorn, this show would have failed too.
Parodies only work if they’re shamelessly over the top. These films use irony and exaggeration with a purpose: to get the audience reflect on and question the status quo. Parodying something doesn't mean replicating. It means to make fun of the original source. So, then, what is being ridiculed here? What is the message of this show? Soap operas can have gay main characters? BLs don't have to be fluffy; they can also be spicy and ridiculous? Neither of those statements are remotely controversial, subversive, or daring. From what I've seen, this series doesn't have a clever, tongue-in-the-cheek message that gets us thinking about the deeper meaning of BL content or film in general (if anything you could argue the storyline reinforces the stereotype that queer men are always sexually promiscuous– but that’s a different discussion). If this was meant to be a parody, it failed horribly.
If we're talking about successful satire, I’d personally refer to films like Yamanouchi Daisuke's The Shortest Distance is Round (an incredibly explicit, absurd, and hilarious parody of Japanese pink films) and Shaowanasai Michael's The Adventures of Iron Pussy (a melodramatic parody of 70s Thai spy movies, compete with an ambiguously transgender female lead). Both films are generally rated pretty poorly because of their weird storylines-- even by film critics--but nobody would dare argue that their films are boring. The same can't be said about this series.
There is no need to be ashamed of watching this show for its abundance of abs and butt-- but it’s a bit of a stretch to call this a successful parody.
The reason this show started off so strong was because all the interlinked plotlines were of equal importance: the romance between Tin and Tol was simply one of the consequences of Tin's larger 'triage' conundrum. They fell in love because Tin was forced to spend time with the guy since he had so save not only him but ALSO all the other characters who were directly involved in his life. The eventual plot resolve, however, focused mainly on the romance and quickly dismissed all other side-characters like they'd never mattered in the first place.
It's also always disappointing to see antagonists be nothing more than cardboard villains. Dr. Sak (and his one facial expression) seemed to have no job to do besides smirking in his office and giving evil one-liners on the phone. And Doi's character had no consistency: he went from hesitant, pressured medical student to full-blown psycho without proper explanation. His sudden loss of rational thinking in the last episode also gave him the power to teleport apparently (how the heck did my man get into that hospital boiler room so quickly after being demobilized by Sing & Gap?).
Overall a highly enjoyable show with good acting--easily exceeded my expectations tenfold--but the last loop felt too hurried and shallow. This is one of the rare instances where I'd say that a few more episodes would have improved the story. There were still a lot of loose ends: Jinta just disappeared after petting Tol's head (he could have at least given some cryptic life advice or something); Tin never acknowledged the loss of his sister that allegedly made him an asshole in the first place (so we're just gonna take his word and believe he's a changed man?); Tol still has a heart decease but miraculously did not experience any of its side effects during the last loop; and, for goodness' sake, why wouldn't Tol check up on Tin after dumping him at his parents' house? That clock tower meeting (which, presuminlgy, occurred months later) was nostalgic and all but it made no real sense.
Gotta agree with you, tho, the clock tower meeting made no sense. Tin decides to show up after (presumingly) months of not seeing his lover and then proceeds to fake-amnesia-flirt with him without a care in the world. Excuse me, isn't this the guy you've seen die 20+ times or so? And BOTH of you are alive right now? After countless traumatic events? How are you not immediately jumping into his arms (or punching him for almost letting you die)? For goodness' sake, a simple phone call with a "Hey, I didn't die. Ain't that nice" would have been appreciated.