This is one of about 10 films that keep pulling me back in for repeated viewings, and during each one, I discover new, small bits and pieces.
I doubt I'll ever "figure out" either of these two guys, but doing so isn't a goal any longer. How many of us walk through life without figuring out ourselves, let alone someone else?
I used to think, "I don't even like these dudes. Why do I keep coming back?" But then I realized I like various parts of both of them a lot, and maybe I don't need to decide whether I like either one as a whole, whatever that means.
I'm bumping my rating up from 8.5/10 to 9/10... for now.
Episode #2: Wow...I'm finding myself deeply moved by many aspects of this show. I was in similar situations several times in my childhood/teens. The writers/director are nailing certain vibes/feelings. I just wish he'd stop telling me how to feel, moment-to-moment, with music cues. lol If you pay attention to the frequency of these, they become comical.
Good acting, especially from Gemini. He is a Tomcat, licking its chops as it toys with its prey, waiting for juuuuuuuuuuust the right moment to pounce. ;)
I've a feeling I know how one aspect of the plot may resolve. Has anyone here seen the old, early 1960s American, Walt Disney flick, "The Trouble With Angels?"
So...do you think that rating is too high or too low?
But, you can't give a 7.9 rating, correct? Is there some way to rate along the 1/10th points that I don't know about?
I don't really rate shows here like the majority of MDLers seem to. For me, if I think a show is lame but watch to the end, I won't hesitate to rate in anywhere from 5-7. Then, as a show grows incrementally better in my view, I will rate it anywhere from 7-10.
If I think a show sucks, I drop and rate it 1/10. To me, if a show is so bad that I don't want to watch it, it is of no value. I would give it a 0/10 if I could.
That's why I get a chuckle out of MDLers stressing about the difference between a 7.9 and a 7.1 or whatever. I'm always like, "Hey, what about the numbers from 8-10, don't they count? :)
Episode #1: This is the first Thai production since Moonlight Chicken where I've gotten through an entire first episode without bailing or wanting to cut my wrists at the stupidity of it all.
For me, the setting and subject matter are close to home. I was raised in a Christian environment of church/Sunday School from birth, and parochial school from grades 1-8. As a gay kid, it was pure Hell. I'm interested to see where this goes.
As it's been ages since subjecting myself to a GMMTV production, I'm having to get used to four annoying writer/director tendencies all over again: 1. Looooooong, languid pauses between nearly every line of dialogue. 2. Characters say things to or ask questions of each other, without reply or answer, but neither responds at all; instead both stare silently. 3. Constant and overbearing music cues to hammer home whatever the director thinks we should be feeling at that moment. 4. Moments of great drama or momentous events when no one says anything for 20 minutes while music swells and characters feign worry/concern/fear/whatever. The best example in this episode was at the very end when those students discovered GF sleeping in the pool and stood looking as if they'd been caught murdering someone. The latter is the most amusingly Lakorn/soap opera/Kdrama cliche of GMMTV productions.
The acting is pretty good.
More group bathing scenes in boxers, please. I am glad that, having entirely avoided the GeminiFourth Ship nonsense, other than in Moonlight Chicken where I believe they were a side couple, I can appreciate or not appreciate whatever these two accomplish here without all that baggage.
The series is tackling some serious issues in a mature, interesting way. The characters are layered and not easy to slap a label on, which is refreshing and fascinating.
I have to say that, as much as I understand what the script is getting at with the new mother's monologue to her colleague after the men left her apartment, I was shocked (and I consider myself fairly hard to shock) that her level of resentment and anger was that intense so soon after birthing the kid. Hasn't it only been a couple of weeks, if that?
And lady, you didn't have to chop your hair off. Put it back in a ponytail, for god's sake. Perhaps it's not so much that she WANTS to go back to work immediately, but that she feels she can't win, either way. She's obviously worried that her absence will only prove that she's not necessary in her role, anyway. But, if that's the case, she had work-related insecurities to begin with. Which, again, is part of the point...I know that Japan's work/career-centered society puts insane pressure on everyone who takes part in it. No matter how hard they work, most people are worried that they could be replaced at any moment...? Which is, of course, exactly how most employers like it. Better for them if their workers are in heavy competition at all times. Sad and infuriating.
Finally...wow! If what appears to have gone down with Itsuki next week in the preview is what actually happened, then I am seated, and will be, for the next six days.
Shiho's boss feels so infuriating because people like him exist in real-life. Traditional, sexist, and narrow-minded.…
hmmm...aren't you being a tad severe in your judgment? I agree for the most part about the "talking love" remark, which felt condescending in an old-fashioned sense. But, I see nothing sexist about urging someone to use all the maternity and childcare leave to which they are entitled, regardless of their gender. Would it be better if he said, "Get your ass back to work tomorrow, you lazy housewife. Do you think you can slack off just because you dropped a kid a few days ago?!"
That things are no more black/white in the areas of women's rights and gay rights than they are in any other part of the universe seems to be an emerging theme of this show.
Yet another easily dropped BL due to the whacko, god-awful Commie China dubbing. It is impossible to maintain immersion with not only voices, but every f*cking sound on the audio being dubbed in from 20 miles away through an echo tube.
Not only does it render the sound off, but Chinese voice actors overact to an annoying degree. It lends a hot mess, melodramatic Lakorn feel to the show. Ridiculous.
It doesn't matter what you expected.Experiencing unexpected events is a huge part of normal life, even when watching…
Your idiotic response is a classic example of MDL Church Girl, neo-Puritan nonsense. Everyone's had traumatic experiences, to one degree or another. Those who have had horrible ones are perfectly capable of looking into the contents of a show before they watch it. And if they choose not to, that's on them. They don't need you babysitting them. It's insulting.
The "perpetrator" sneer at the end of your comment is also a classic MDL tactic. Cuts no ice with me.
Look inward, I'm afraid you may be no better than a moron, but I think you already are one.
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I doubt I'll ever "figure out" either of these two guys, but doing so isn't a goal any longer.
How many of us walk through life without figuring out ourselves, let alone someone else?
I used to think, "I don't even like these dudes. Why do I keep coming back?"
But then I realized I like various parts of both of them a lot, and maybe I don't need to decide whether I like either one as a whole, whatever that means.
I'm bumping my rating up from 8.5/10 to 9/10... for now.
Wow...I'm finding myself deeply moved by many aspects of this show.
I was in similar situations several times in my childhood/teens.
The writers/director are nailing certain vibes/feelings.
I just wish he'd stop telling me how to feel, moment-to-moment, with music cues. lol If you pay attention to the frequency of these, they become comical.
Good acting, especially from Gemini.
He is a Tomcat, licking its chops as it toys with its prey, waiting for juuuuuuuuuuust the right moment to pounce. ;)
I've a feeling I know how one aspect of the plot may resolve.
Has anyone here seen the old, early 1960s American, Walt Disney flick, "The Trouble With Angels?"
Is there some way to rate along the 1/10th points that I don't know about?
I don't really rate shows here like the majority of MDLers seem to.
For me, if I think a show is lame but watch to the end, I won't hesitate to rate in anywhere from 5-7. Then, as a show grows incrementally better in my view, I will rate it anywhere from 7-10.
If I think a show sucks, I drop and rate it 1/10.
To me, if a show is so bad that I don't want to watch it, it is of no value.
I would give it a 0/10 if I could.
That's why I get a chuckle out of MDLers stressing about the difference between a 7.9 and a 7.1 or whatever. I'm always like, "Hey, what about the numbers from 8-10, don't they count? :)
Episode #1:
This is the first Thai production since Moonlight Chicken where I've gotten through an entire first episode without bailing or wanting to cut my wrists at the stupidity of it all.
For me, the setting and subject matter are close to home.
I was raised in a Christian environment of church/Sunday School from birth, and parochial school from grades 1-8. As a gay kid, it was pure Hell.
I'm interested to see where this goes.
As it's been ages since subjecting myself to a GMMTV production, I'm having to get used to four annoying writer/director tendencies all over again:
1. Looooooong, languid pauses between nearly every line of dialogue.
2. Characters say things to or ask questions of each other, without reply or answer, but neither responds at all; instead both stare silently.
3. Constant and overbearing music cues to hammer home whatever the director thinks we should be feeling at that moment.
4. Moments of great drama or momentous events when no one says anything for 20 minutes while music swells and characters feign worry/concern/fear/whatever. The best example in this episode was at the very end when those students discovered GF sleeping in the pool and stood looking as if they'd been caught murdering someone.
The latter is the most amusingly Lakorn/soap opera/Kdrama cliche of GMMTV productions.
The acting is pretty good.
More group bathing scenes in boxers, please.
I am glad that, having entirely avoided the GeminiFourth Ship nonsense, other than in Moonlight Chicken where I believe they were a side couple, I can appreciate or not appreciate whatever these two accomplish here without all that baggage.
I'm impressed.
The series is tackling some serious issues in a mature, interesting way.
The characters are layered and not easy to slap a label on, which is refreshing and fascinating.
I have to say that, as much as I understand what the script is getting at with the new mother's monologue to her colleague after the men left her apartment, I was shocked (and I consider myself fairly hard to shock) that her level of resentment and anger was that intense so soon after birthing the kid. Hasn't it only been a couple of weeks, if that?
And lady, you didn't have to chop your hair off. Put it back in a ponytail, for god's sake.
Perhaps it's not so much that she WANTS to go back to work immediately, but that she feels she can't win, either way. She's obviously worried that her absence will only prove that she's not necessary in her role, anyway.
But, if that's the case, she had work-related insecurities to begin with.
Which, again, is part of the point...I know that Japan's work/career-centered society puts insane pressure on everyone who takes part in it. No matter how hard they work, most people are worried that they could be replaced at any moment...?
Which is, of course, exactly how most employers like it. Better for them if their workers are in heavy competition at all times.
Sad and infuriating.
Finally...wow! If what appears to have gone down with Itsuki next week in the preview is what actually happened, then I am seated, and will be, for the next six days.
I agree for the most part about the "talking love" remark, which felt condescending in an old-fashioned sense. But, I see nothing sexist about urging someone to use all the maternity and childcare leave to which they are entitled, regardless of their gender.
Would it be better if he said, "Get your ass back to work tomorrow, you lazy housewife. Do you think you can slack off just because you dropped a kid a few days ago?!"
That things are no more black/white in the areas of women's rights and gay rights than they are in any other part of the universe seems to be an emerging theme of this show.
It is impossible to maintain immersion with not only voices, but every f*cking sound on the audio being dubbed in from 20 miles away through an echo tube.
Not only does it render the sound off, but Chinese voice actors overact to an annoying degree. It lends a hot mess, melodramatic Lakorn feel to the show. Ridiculous.
Dropped.
1/10
Sure, if you say so...
How can one describe anything at all without applying labels?
It's terribly shallow, which is part of why I dropped it.
Go police someone else's writing.
Thanks.
ooohh...more laughing emojis
This flick is a favorite of mine, too.
Everyone's had traumatic experiences, to one degree or another. Those who have had horrible ones are perfectly capable of looking into the contents of a show before they watch it.
And if they choose not to, that's on them.
They don't need you babysitting them.
It's insulting.
The "perpetrator" sneer at the end of your comment is also a classic MDL tactic. Cuts no ice with me.
Look inward, I'm afraid you may be no better than a moron, but I think you already are one.
You actually love this movie, and hate yourself for loving it.