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OF COURSE, I was turned on by "the gay stuff," lol, moron, I'm GAY! I clearly stated in my first reply to you that the only thing that almost made this movie OK were the pretty hot sex scenes.

That I'm gay is how I know what I'm talking about. I've met LOTS of gay men who married women and pretended to be straight until they couldn't do it anymore, got honest, and came out/got divorced.

I've met LOTS of gay men who remain married to their wives, and have constant gay sex on the side, or keep a male lover for years, never being honest with themselves or their wives, who they continue to lie to. Of course, many of those wives suspect or know what's going on but keep their mouths shut for their own reasons. I avoid BOTH types, though I'm guessing you'd approve of their behavior, as long as they remain married and continue doing the "moral" thing.

As for Dennis and Jason not ending up together, didn't you notice Dennis asking Jason where he was going and when he'd be back? If Jason doesn't come back to look up Dennis to renew the romance, it will be Dennis leaving his wife to go hunt down the man he loves in Taiwan. Either way, just a matter of time,

Judgmental, self-righteous and closeted isn't a good look on anyone, even you, assuming you're a dude. If you are, and you want shows to watch when you get away from the wife, there are thousands of gay ones on the Internet, many of them with pages on this site. No, I'm not talking about the gay porn you regularly watch, I'm talking about actual, gay-themed movies and dramas. Get with it.

I have seen only 1 & 2.

It's clear you are out of touch with reality and unwilling to face facts in a mature, sensible way. It is also clear you are a morally backward person who passes judgment on other people's behavior when you've no right to do so.

If he and that dumb, crybaby girl had any sense, first of all, they'd have used contraception. Second of all, when she turned up pregnant they would have gotten her an abortion and not told anyone.

As Dennis explained to Jason after telling him about the pregnancy, there was a lot of things he wanted to accomplish, many things he wanted to do in life. Now that is all gone, and he'll be tied down to some lousy job to feed wife and baby. Sounds like a great life to you, I'm sure.

By the way, please note that after telling Jason what was going on at the beach and all about his wonderful new wife and baby, which he doesn't want, he proceeded to have sex with Jason because THAT is where his passion lies.

Dennis is gay or bi, not straight. He has entered into a fake marriage with a woman he will never love as he loves Jason. He will try to fake it as well as he can for however many years it takes until he reaches his psychological limit of living a lie. At that point he will start having outside affairs with men or leave his wife altogether.

It's the marriage and the baby that are a fantasy. Sure, it all looks pretty on the wedding day and then the shit will start hitting the fan as Dennis tries to live life with most of his heart and soul shut down, pretending to be someone and something he is not.

The dumbest homophobic plot cop out in this movie is that, even though Jason and Dennis knew Abby would die soon and that marrying the pregnant girl was not the only option, they never considered going forward as a couple.

If she wanted to have the baby anyway, then he could provide monetary support as he pursued his career separately. Absolutely NO sensible reason to marry this girl he doesn't love, especially without telling her about his sexual preferences so that she would be going into it fully aware of what she's taking on.

Let me guess: You're Catholic or from some other religious background.

Also, I don't buy you were "disgusted" by any of this gay stuff. I think you were turned on by it. People who are disgusted by a film's subject matter don't keep watching, and they especially don't put all the energy into evaluating and discussing the film that you have.

Um, YOU are the one who needs to calm down. You said you were "disgusted" by the LGBTQ content of this movie, yet you watched it to the very end, and then wrote a paragraphs-length reply to me about your emotional reaction to the plot, which was absurd.

Yes, now the baby will find out her dad is gay/bi when he leaves her mom to save himself from losing his mind by suppressing his authentic self. That makes a LOT of sense. The deceased wife's husband IS lonely because the guy who promised to "take care" of him for her totally ignored that commitment, entered into a sham marriage, and apparently pawned the necklace somewhere.

Terribly written, absurd plot, which you were enthralled by, despite the homophobia indicated by your OP.

Buh-bye.

Pretty bad flick. Sir Jason and Dennis are hot though.
Typical Filipino gay flick where all the homos end up miserable.
Ummm...have these people not heard of abortion? She was only one month along.
Why tell your freaking families?
And why bitch and moan about it when there was no attempt to use contraception? lol
So two little kids get married to raise another little kid, and the dad is miserable for life and will end up doing what Sir Jason did.
No lead-up to the central relationship.
How weird that Abby and her friend decided Jason would be handed over to her when Abby croaks.
How weird that Abby entrusted her husband after death to a guy who, for all she knew, was a one night stand on the beach?
Then Dennis promised to take care of Jason, but got married and walked away as if he'd never talked to Abby at all or been given her necklace.
Really bad writing. Some of the acting was good, sporadically.
But Jason and Dennis were hot.

5/10

lol Me too. You're not the only "that" person. Like all the other characters, hers was badly written. Seemed like the movie wanted us to think of her as a saint, and to me she was just a b****h.

How odd. When you discovered it had a gay element to the story, why didn't you just stop watching it? Must not have been THAT disgusted, eh? Those hot scenes of Dennis and Sir Jason doing the nasty almost made this pretty bad flick worth while. Almost.

lol So I'm guessing YOUR mind is extremely, almost unfathomably complicated. Am I right?

Ryugi is a bit of an enigma, which is possibly interesting. Other than that, there's nothing here we haven't seen a hundred times before. ooh...got a few raindrops on me...BOOM! Severe dizziness, tight chest and fever

I don't feel much onscreen charisma from either one.

Yeah, the standard, lame "anger" accusation. I'm opinionated, not angry. You infer anger where there is none as a side-ass means of discrediting my views. Cuts no ice with me.

Glad you're proud of your pair of prude shoes.

Meh...WAY too much cheesy, creepy standard horror film background music, constantly cuing me to be creeped out or scared or whatever. Problem is, that music starts way too soon and then never stops, no matter what's on screen. Seems to be some good acting going on, good general action, etc., but it just feels lame, giving away its secrets much too freely and too quickly.

I love a good horror flick. This isn't one. Bored.

Dropping.

Does the novel reference the cause of death?

It absolutely wrecked me the first time I saw it because, of course, I was unprepared for the horrible post-wedding cheap shot. And then what comes after that is just plain both weird AND stupid.

So, on subsequent watchings, I just stop after the first group photo is taken at the wedding and that's the end for me. As far as I'm concerned, that lame official ending never happened.

Because MDL is dominated by 13 year-old fangirls who crave fluff and rainbows and unicorns.

Remarkable. The best BL ever made.

I just finished episode 1 of my first rewatch of this show, as I knew it would floor me again, and it has. And I love it. If EVER a BL has been a 10/10, this is it, and yet of course its MDL rating is what you see above, because that's what the MDL membership's taste level is about: Dreck like Bad Buddy is rated higher than this.

ITSAY has been at the top of my 30 Best BLs list ever since I first saw it. After sniffling through the first episode of my second watch, and being reminded of the unprecedented level of acting, direction, cinematography, staging, etc., I am more sure than ever it will remain at the top of my list for a very long time.

The emotional nakedness of Billkin's acting, and his total commitment to the role, makes him the brighter star of the two leads here. But PP is excellent as well.

On to episode 2.

ITSAY has been at the top of my 30 Best BLs ever since I first saw it when it was new, although I guess I heard about it late, as I was able to binge it. And binge it I did, all five hours with only snack and restroom breaks allowed. It IS the best BL made so far, for countless reasons. I felt then as you do now. It got the first 10/10 rating I've ever given any show of any kind.

I started my first rewatch about two hours ago and just finished episode 1. I waited this long to watch it a second time because I knew it would wreck me all over again, and so I had to be ready for that. I was right, I'm wrecked, in a good way.

The transparency of the emotions that show on each lead's face, and that pass between them, are enough to bring me to tears. I admire Billkin especially, for his 100% commitment to the role. They are both excellent, but he carries the heavier weight, as I see it.

OK, I'm ready to forge ahead with episode 2.

"toxic without consent." lol How original.

So you're one who thinks everything regarding romance and sex has to be discussed ahead of time, along with signing consent forms for each kiss, hug, grope, hump, diddle, and f**k along the way. lol That would be as boring on screen as it would be in life. There are lots of ways to "get" consent without either participant speaking a word. These are called physical, non-verbal "cues" and can be, and usually are, quite clear.

Mizuki knew perfectly well that Yoh wanted what he was giving him, and acted accordingly, much to Yoh's delight. If you want to have intimacy with other people that involves constant yakking and form-signing, go right ahead, but you won't get laid much.

Absolutely! This is really interesting, and you write very well, so yes, please continue if you have more to share.

I'm totally with you on #1. What I initially liked a lot about the series was the upfront master/slave situation being in our faces from the get-go, especially the sexual aspect. I found a lot of heat and humor in the cloudy/sunny days arrangement, and that Yoh pretended not to care, but was nevertheless craving clouds.

An entire plot could have been built around cloudy/sunny sex alone, but that seemed to fall almost completely aside after halfway thru episode 3. Then to me it felt as though not much was happening one way or the other, except for two people thinking a lot to themselves but never talking at all to each other.

I was just curious as to what you felt was unique about their misunderstandings and miscommunications. Discussion does not have to end with anyone "changing their minds," but it can be illuminating as to how others see what I see and yet come away with different perspectives. That's kind of what discussions are for.