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Could you provide a link to the video please?

Can you direct me to a link about the "harassment" you mention? Sounds interesting.

Yeah, I don't get the justification for its existence either. And obviously, the MDL LGs, whose admiration for a BL rises in direct correlation with the degree to which the guy-on-guy relationship stays obscure, are up-rating the shit out of this show. 8.6 my ass.

Romance-to-bromance, with an annoying and unnecessary female side character thrown in to eat up time.

You are correct. :)

I'm just curious: Why do you want spoilers for those episodes, especially since you've watched the others already?

Nah, my money was well-spent, if only to help me understand where arrogant know-nothings such as you are coming from.

There's a possibility Jesus will come before the end of ep 12 too, but I'm not holding my breath. Who gives af about the Manga? This isn't the Manga, did you know that? This is an adaptation, got it? Seriously, "But, but...the Manga!!!" is one of the most common defenses of lame shows on MDL.

Seriously, you need a brain cell.

Because it's reductive and a cliche, that's why. MDLers scream "cheater" to signal their own virtue, not as any attempt to understand the character. "Cheater" is an easy label to slap on the character and dismiss them out of hand. It's lazy, self-righteous, and old.

How' that?

lol

"Simple" is correct. Fake critic!!!

Your last "...how do you know...?" scenario is desperate.

I reply to others because I disagree with their opinion. That is part of what comment threads are for. I also reply to comments I agree with. I also ask questions if I don't get where someone is coming from. If you want to imagine I am "bothered," go ahead. I don't care.

omg...it called me a "troll." How will I go on?

I'm trying to imagine being stupid enough to reply to a comment left by someone I consider a "troll," but despite your example, I can't quite comprehend it.

Did you enjoy seeing your photo next to "supercilious? That is clearly where it belongs.

Maya is not complex at all. The writer allowed her no growth or change. That's not complex, it's dull. If you're saying she and the time given to her back story are intentionally dull, then that is also stupid.

And I don't require your lectures on the dynamics of drama, protagonist/antagonist, etc. I have a bachelors and masters in theatre. That's part of how I know this is poorly written.

"It's so simple to understand and I don't know where you keep getting lost." Just like Maya. A clueless bitch to the end.

Wow. And maybe you just make up stuff you want to see in your head and project it onto the screen.

Please explain why the writer would want me to hate Maya? Perhaps at first, but since then she has changed/grown not a whit, a bitch to the end. How does that help me identify with her and her situation, helping me to understand the plight of the deaf/hard of hearing?

Look up the word "supercilious" in your handy dictionary. There is a picture of you above the definition.

oooh...those are all really good points.
I do specifically remember during Kohei's monologue to her on the pedestrian bridge, thinking that without her for him to react to, there would be no way for us to know how deeply he felt, other than through internal monologue, something we see a lot of in Japanese series/movies, and which I almost always like.

I still wish she hadn't existed, but I see exactly what you're talking about, so thanks for that.

Where I feel the writer/director went WAY overboard was in the ten minutes they showed us of her background, all while we're dying for the Kohei/Taichi romance to go somewhere. I feel that was unnecessary.

Also thought, after her final scene with Taichi during which she doubled down and then ran away sobbing, it seemed odd that there script was giving that character NO growth or change whatsoever. After all he explained to her and did for her, despite her horribleness, you'd think even a semi-normal person would begin to see a bit of the light.

Yeah, god, I have learned a great deal over the last five years about how god-awful both China and Korea historically have been treated by Japan. Invasions, slaughters of civilians, torture, rape, all the rest, over and over again. It's a wonder Korea and Japan are on good terms presently. That's a lot to forgive.

Oh. I do know a bit about the Joseon Dynasty, but now I have to google "Hangul." :D

"bitter..." lol Yeah, I'm consumed with bitterness over this series. That's another word you should consult a dictionary about.

Also amusing you say I "can't stand hearing anyone else's" opinion, since that is the opposite of how I feel. I love reading other opinions. However, that doesn't mean I have to pretend to agree. That doesn't mean I shouldn't respond. I will continue to respond as often as I wish. It is true that I don't care what your opinion is of that.

If me being "all over" the comment section hurts your feelings so badly, please skip over them and if you can't control yourself to do that, just block me.

I have never been, nor will I ever be, in an open relationship.
I have never kissed, blown or f**ked anyone outside a relationship I have been in.
I don't tolerate my partner kissing, blowing, or f**king anyone outside our relationship. If I find out about it, the relationship is over. Thankfully, that has never happened.

What I don't do is leap frantically to judge and condemn and scream "CHEATING" at live-action, fictional characters who do any of the things I listed above. What daeyong is allowing to happen is a negative thing, it's dishonest, and it's also thrilling, causing me to have strong emotions/reactions to his behavior. The latter is a huge part of appreciating/watching drama. Why would I want to see only people who choose to behave just exactly like me? How boring would that be?

Aren't you the least bit curious as to WHY our confident, assertive daeyong turned to easily-manipulated jelly in the presence of his ex? There's a major opportunity for exposition, resolution, and gripping drama in that question. But so many people here miss all that because they're so busy shrieking "CHEATER" at the character.

You know, a lot of people who struggle to be monogamous do so out of pathologies related to earlier negative experiences. They may be insecure and desperate for all the positive reinforcement they can suck up because they have an extremely negative opinion of themselves. They may have been abandoned emotionally in childhood and are unwittingly searching for that missing connection in sexual relationships. It's all fascinating.

Cheater-screamers are missing all of that in their eagerness to let the rest of us know how morally superior they are.

Agreed about the tag, except that there WAS developing romance in the first half, and then I guess the writers/director got scared of Boy Love or something.

Now I get to google "Chosun." Thanks. :)

Can you not read?

"The character is so hostile, so unlikeable, so mean and awful to everyone that it's impossible to identify with her. Right up to the end of this last ep she was a total bitch to Taichi. No character growth or change whatsoever."

THIS is why I don't care. The writer made me not care by creating a horribly unlikeable, bitter, rude, unsympathetic character who happens to be deaf. I am far from alone in this opinion here.

It is patronizing in the extreme to excuse antisocial behavior because the perpetrator is disabled in some way.

You seem to be one of those who decide early on a show is GREAT, and then fall all over themselves trying to explain why, no matter how things go. I was thoroughly enjoying this until things stalled out midway and Maya continued to pull focus from the MC.