ohhh i love this question. personally as a polyamorous bi person, I take no offense to a story about three people…
I mean sure its superficial but i wouldnt call it queerbaiting. Not everything that is both bad and queer is queerbaiting. To me thats just your classic poor characterization for the sake of furthering the plot. The key point of queerbaiting is "we are hiding the queerness of the story to pander to a homophobic audience" which this show does not do. At least thats my interpretation. I feel like you have some kind of idea that isnt being addressed though? What are your thoughts on the show? Is it that something is bothering you about it in particular?
This was so cute ^_^ really enjoyed watching this. I had so many butterflies! Gi Tae's honest personality and Lee Wan's unexpected playfulness was sooooo fun to watch. Really great chemistry between the leads. Also loved the way the story built on its themes. Just a fun drama ^_^ Thanks to the team for their hard work!!
The one and only odious and detestable character in this show. An embittered, envious and nasty shit-stirrer who…
oh good im glad i wasnt the only one that felt weird about that. Like maybe she's trying to show "Hey I'm super okay with this and I'll prove it to you" kind of vibe without really considering what are his thoughts on it. I'm curious if that will end up being a source of conflict in the show.
ohhh i love this question. personally as a polyamorous bi person, I take no offense to a story about three people…
i totally get what u mean and honestly thats a really interesting way to frame it.
yeah u have a fair point that cheating is already a really popular trope in jdramas. i usually avoid cheating-themed shows unless theres any chance for polyamory, so maybe thats why I didn't consider that, but its a good point.
could it be queerbaiting? i would not consider it queerbaiting. to me queerbaiting is when writers take advantage of an audience thats interested in queer content, and then never confirms or denies queerness within the context of the story because they want to pander to a homophobic audience. (honestly my thoughts on queerbaiting itself is up in the air right now after reading an interesting essay about it last month but that's besides the point). Shyuuhei is very clearly pansexual and Yuuki is probably panromantic gay. This is not ambiguous to the audience at all, so nope not queerbaiting imho
Is it a sign of progress in the (Japan) movie industry if a character (Ina Shuhei) is bi if he is also this strange…
ohhh i love this question. personally as a polyamorous bi person, I take no offense to a story about three people falling in love with each other. However there is a LOT I do not like about this story in particular.
I would not say this is a hypersexualized show, we don't really see a lot of sex (or any actually). but the cheating in this show bothers me as this is a huge trope in polyamorous and bi stories and im honestly tired of it. like if we had more stories in general, then i probably wouldn't mind, but I can literally name ONLY ONE polyamorous movie that has no cheating in it. i also personally felt like this show took a few logical leaps of faith that pissed me off.
1) Misaki never really gets angry about the cheating?? like ever??? not even privately???? 2) Yuuki, who insists that the people he dates are okay with him dating other people but made it clear he does not like cheating, is somehow okay with being the center of a love affair in which a man is literally cheating on his wife. 3) Misaki seems to have completely skipped past jealousy? She's just straight into compersion now??? she must feel super secure right now, which absolutely baffles me 4) "I won't sleep with him because I like you," ????? no its just fucking basic decency to wait until everyone has talked about boundaries first. You don't have to be in love with your metamor to do that.
Also I was super bothered by the way Misaki changed her mind about her husband cheating on her. This throuple starting because Misaki is afraid her husband will kill himself if she doesn't??? That's hella toxic and in real life can be absolutely horrible. Like wow you must really think it's impossible for people to rationally decide to be in a throuple if the only way you can justify it to your audience is by putting your main character on a suicide watch list. (am i bitter??? MAYBE?!)
So yeah.... is it a sign of progress? Idk i think they're trying to create empathy for people who are non-monogamous, which is not bad. Do I think this this show in particular is a good way to do it? Not really no. imma still watch it though
Finished watching the Ooku adaptations by Kaneko Fuminori and I'm itching to watch this latest adaptation. Ahhh so jealous of everyone who watched it already.
I'm so curious about this adaptation as its the first one by a different director and they even switched companies for it. Well, honestly I would be curious even if it was the same just because I like following the Ooku stories!
Other works that included sex workers but the roles were too minor to be included on this list:
- Ooku - The protagonist sort of takes on the role of a sex worker except he doesn't get paid for it, but he is compared to a sex worker. It's kind of like a charity thing. - Bokura no Micro na Shuumatsu - in episode 5 Meguru accepts an offer for sex in exchange for a water bottle. This does not happen as people intervene - I think its in episode 33, but in Eternal Love (aka Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms) A-Li goes to a brothel while trying to save some lady. They described it as a flower shop or some sort of floral euphemism.
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yeah u have a fair point that cheating is already a really popular trope in jdramas. i usually avoid cheating-themed shows unless theres any chance for polyamory, so maybe thats why I didn't consider that, but its a good point.
could it be queerbaiting? i would not consider it queerbaiting. to me queerbaiting is when writers take advantage of an audience thats interested in queer content, and then never confirms or denies queerness within the context of the story because they want to pander to a homophobic audience. (honestly my thoughts on queerbaiting itself is up in the air right now after reading an interesting essay about it last month but that's besides the point). Shyuuhei is very clearly pansexual and Yuuki is probably panromantic gay. This is not ambiguous to the audience at all, so nope not queerbaiting imho
If you're interested in a longer list (and don't mind spoilers), check out this one: https://kisskh.at/list/LAlaj2p1
"but if one of them is just settling that would just suck in my book!" yeah...
I would not say this is a hypersexualized show, we don't really see a lot of sex (or any actually). but the cheating in this show bothers me as this is a huge trope in polyamorous and bi stories and im honestly tired of it. like if we had more stories in general, then i probably wouldn't mind, but I can literally name ONLY ONE polyamorous movie that has no cheating in it. i also personally felt like this show took a few logical leaps of faith that pissed me off.
1) Misaki never really gets angry about the cheating?? like ever??? not even privately????
2) Yuuki, who insists that the people he dates are okay with him dating other people but made it clear he does not like cheating, is somehow okay with being the center of a love affair in which a man is literally cheating on his wife.
3) Misaki seems to have completely skipped past jealousy? She's just straight into compersion now??? she must feel super secure right now, which absolutely baffles me
4) "I won't sleep with him because I like you," ????? no its just fucking basic decency to wait until everyone has talked about boundaries first. You don't have to be in love with your metamor to do that.
Also I was super bothered by the way Misaki changed her mind about her husband cheating on her. This throuple starting because Misaki is afraid her husband will kill himself if she doesn't??? That's hella toxic and in real life can be absolutely horrible. Like wow you must really think it's impossible for people to rationally decide to be in a throuple if the only way you can justify it to your audience is by putting your main character on a suicide watch list. (am i bitter??? MAYBE?!)
So yeah.... is it a sign of progress? Idk i think they're trying to create empathy for people who are non-monogamous, which is not bad. Do I think this this show in particular is a good way to do it? Not really no. imma still watch it though
I'm so curious about this adaptation as its the first one by a different director and they even switched companies for it. Well, honestly I would be curious even if it was the same just because I like following the Ooku stories!
- Ooku - The protagonist sort of takes on the role of a sex worker except he doesn't get paid for it, but he is compared to a sex worker. It's kind of like a charity thing.
- Bokura no Micro na Shuumatsu - in episode 5 Meguru accepts an offer for sex in exchange for a water bottle. This does not happen as people intervene
- I think its in episode 33, but in Eternal Love (aka Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms) A-Li goes to a brothel while trying to save some lady. They described it as a flower shop or some sort of floral euphemism.